League Circles wrote:What would you guys be willing up just to trade him for a pure expiring deal?
Would I? I'd consider it a major win.
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League Circles wrote:What would you guys be willing up just to trade him for a pure expiring deal?
Axl Rose wrote:He shouldn't have been re-signed but he's become the definition of a sunk-cost fallacy.
Axl Rose wrote:League Circles wrote:What would you guys be willing up just to trade him for a pure expiring deal?
Would I? I'd consider it a major win.
RSP83 wrote:We should put him on fire s̶a̶l̶e̶.
kodo wrote:True Shooting for some of the league's starting centers along with their points per 36.
Porzingis: 63% - 22.5
Bitadze: 60% - 12.4
Lopez: 63% - 16.9
Embiid: 61% - 31.9
Adebayo: 60% - 23.8
Robinson 55%* (career avg 68%) - 8.0
Turner: 63% - 23.4
Allen: 67% - 16.6
Capela: 64% - 15.4
Poeltl: 69% - 15.1
Claxton: 66% - 16.2
Williams: 69% - 13.6
Gafford: 69% - 13.5
Duren: 62% - 15.8
Vucevic: 51.8% - 17.1
Even with this thread, just how bad Vucevic really is on offense isn't really fully appreciated by most people IMO.
It's a given he's terrible on defense, but people think we're trading defense for offense. We're not, he's the worst offensive center in the EC by a huge margin.
And he's not giving you much volume scoring either, 17 per 36 but it's easy to find centers giving ~16 per 36.
I will say in his defense, Billy's scheme on how to use him is also awful, it's the Thad Young role where you catch the ball on the short roll in a completely non-threatening position, neither at the rim or in a good 3P position (corners). He's probably not as bad on offense as this shows, but his pairing with Donovan has produced the worst 5 position in the EC.
JockItch43 wrote:Resigning Vuc was the final nail in my AK coffin.
PJSteven22 wrote:kyrv wrote:Ice Man wrote:
Over his career, Vuc has averaged 1.04 points per 3 point attempt and 1.05 points per 2 point attempt. Meaning, he is meh at both tasks. True, those numbers could make for good overall efficiency if he drew free throws -- but he doesn't.
Last year was a career-best efficiency year for Vuc because he made his 2s at a much higher rate than ever before. This year, unfortunately, he has dropped back (exactly, in fact) to his career average.
When Vuc was on Orlando, I thought he improved and was a good player, but would always leave you wanting more. I got convinced at some point I really underrated him, but not sure about that now.
Also to me for most rosters you really need at least 1 defensive big, usually the 5.
Our pf situation seems bad for Vuc to look great also.
I mean if you’re a 5 that is not good defensively. You better be Jokic or Sabonis.
sco wrote:IMO, now, Vuc is a keeper. We are rebuilding. He's a guy who won't help you win and we'll still be rebuilding when he becomes an expiring.
sco wrote:IMO, now, Vuc is a keeper. We are rebuilding. He's a guy who won't help you win and we'll still be rebuilding when he becomes an expiring.
ThreeYearPlan wrote:Bulls fans defend HomoSapien more than Rose.
Bulls_MIT wrote:I think the Bulls should keep Vuc. In fact they should keep this entire roster. Their main problem is ill advised shots. There's far too many and coach or someone needs to step up and put a stop to that. Vuc and Zach are the two weak links here. Vuc should never be taking 3 pointers ever. Who cares if he can make them sometimes. Those are ill advised shots. We have enough better 3 point shooters and if others miss then at least Vuc has a chance to rebound. Vuc is better near the rim. His strengths are free throws, interior defense (not perfect), post moves, points in the paint. Zach takes bad shots too. He thinks he's MJ. However last night he wasn't as bad. I counted only 2 ill advised shots all game. This roster has potential and player development possibilities. Just STOP the stupid shots early in the shot clock. VUC - NO 3s FOR YOU!
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kodo wrote:True Shooting for some of the league's starting centers along with their points per 36.
Porzingis: 63% - 22.5
Bitadze: 60% - 12.4
Lopez: 63% - 16.9
Embiid: 61% - 31.9
Adebayo: 60% - 23.8
Robinson 55%* (career avg 68%) - 8.0
Turner: 63% - 23.4
Allen: 67% - 16.6
Capela: 64% - 15.4
Poeltl: 69% - 15.1
Claxton: 66% - 16.2
Williams: 69% - 13.6
Gafford: 69% - 13.5
Duren: 62% - 15.8
Vucevic: 51.8% - 17.1
Even with this thread, just how bad Vucevic really is on offense isn't really fully appreciated by most people IMO.
It's a given he's terrible on defense, but people think we're trading defense for offense. We're not, he's the worst offensive center in the EC by a huge margin.
And he's not giving you much volume scoring either, 17 per 36 but it's easy to find centers giving ~16 per 36.
I will say in his defense, Billy's scheme on how to use him is also awful, it's the Thad Young role where you catch the ball on the short roll in a completely non-threatening position, neither at the rim or in a good 3P position (corners). He's probably not as bad on offense as this shows, but his pairing with Donovan has produced the worst 5 position in the EC.