JR potentially selling the White Sox

[Jcool0]

The Reinsdorf hatred on this board, and really, among Bulls fans in general across all social media, borders on complete derangement.

If you’re a White Sox fan, being displeased with Reinsdorf is the furthest thing from derangement.

Outside of owners like Donald Sterling, he is probably the worst in professional sports.

[Bulliever2020]

The Reinsdorf hatred on this board, and really, among Bulls fans in general across all social media, borders on complete derangement.

Found Michael Reinsdorf's handle

[aguifs]

2 x 1 package JR. Do it!!!

[Narigo]

I hope the Suns owner doesn't get it. He just as cheap as Reindorf and the Suns did a terrible job building their roster after making the finals

[Jcool0]

I hope the Suns owner doesn't get it. He just as cheap as Reindorf and the Suns did a terrible job building their roster after making the finals

How is he cheap? They have 202M in salaries (#2) & are paying $152M in luxury tax (#1). If you want to compare, last year Suns were 4th and Bulls were 16th in total cap allocations.

[SearsTower]

The Reinsdorf hatred on this board, and really, among Bulls fans in general across all social media, borders on complete derangement.

If you’re a White Sox fan, being displeased with Reinsdorf is the furthest thing from derangement.

Maybe. I guess I'll take your word for it. I used to be a pretty big White Sox fan, but to be honest, I haven't followed them much in the last 15 or so years for reasons unrelated to Reinsdorf. The argument that he's cheap probably carries more weight in the MLB since there's no salary cap last I checked, but that's why I specifically said Bulls fans in my post.

My point is that Reinsdorf isn't the reason the Bulls haven't won a championship since 1998. I know that's a difficult truth for some to accept but it's the reality. Drafting generational talent primarily wins championships and that's largely luck. Being a premier free agent destination sometimes wins championships and that's largely weather. That's it. It's honestly that simple.

Spurs, Lakers, Pistons, Heat, Mavs, Celtics, Warriors, Cavs, Raptors, Bucks, Nuggets. Those are the teams that have won since 1998. ~36% of the league. It's almost entirely generational drafted talent and free agents going to warm weather destinations. The Bulls never had an option to draft Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Wade, Dirk, Tatum, Curry, LeBron, Kawhi, or Giannis. They missed on Jokic just like literally every other team in the league. They drafted one generational star since Jordan and he was almost immediately doomed by injuries. Not Reinsdorf's fault.

They made a couple of attempts at the 2004 Pistons model and fell short like every other team in the last 20 years. Reinsdorf and his hired FO made plays for Duncan, T Mac, Kobe, and LeBron over the years and lost out to a combination of warm weather, original franchise familiarity, and/or no state income taxes every time.

Selling the team does nothing. A new owner doesn't change the NBA championship calculus which is and has always been, with practically zero exceptions, to either draft generational talent or be Miami or LA and sign generational talent.

But whatever, to the "sell the team" and "poverty franchise" crowd, perhaps hating Reinsdorf makes life make sense and is the safety blanket you need. I will continue to think it's silly, childish, illogical, boring, and false. All I ask is that you don't humiliate and embarrass the city and fanbase when they inevitably honor him (88 years old) while alive or posthumously at the UC ala the disgraceful booing of Krause and his widow at the Ring of Honor ceremony.

[jnrjr79]

The Reinsdorf hatred on this board, and really, among Bulls fans in general across all social media, borders on complete derangement.

If you’re a White Sox fan, being displeased with Reinsdorf is the furthest thing from derangement.

Maybe. I guess I'll take your word for it. I used to be a pretty big White Sox fan, but to be honest, I haven't followed them much in the last 15 or so years for reasons unrelated to Reinsdorf. The argument that he's cheap probably carries more weight in the MLB since there's no salary cap last I checked, but that's why I specifically said Bulls fans in my post.

My point is that Reinsdorf isn't the reason the Bulls haven't won a championship since 1998. I know that's a difficult truth for some to accept but it's the reality. Drafting generational talent primarily wins championships and that's largely luck. Being a premier free agent destination sometimes wins championships and that's largely weather. That's it. It's honestly that simple.

Spurs, Lakers, Pistons, Heat, Mavs, Celtics, Warriors, Cavs, Raptors, Bucks, Nuggets. Those are the teams that have won since 1998. ~36% of the league. It's almost entirely generational drafted talent and free agents going to warm weather destinations. The Bulls never had an option to draft Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Wade, Dirk, Tatum, Curry, LeBron, Kawhi, or Giannis. They missed on Jokic just like literally every other team in the league. They drafted one generational star since Jordan and he was almost immediately doomed by injuries. Not Reinsdorf's fault.

They made a couple of attempts at the 2004 Pistons model and fell short like every other team in the last 20 years. Reinsdorf and his hired FO made plays for Duncan, T Mac, Kobe, and LeBron over the years and lost out to a combination of warm weather, original franchise familiarity, and/or no state income taxes every time.

Selling the team does nothing. A new owner doesn't change the NBA championship calculus which is and has always been, with practically zero exceptions, to either draft generational talent or be Miami or LA and sign generational talent.

But whatever, to the "sell the team" and "poverty franchise" crowd, perhaps hating Reinsdorf makes life make sense and is the safety blanket you need. I will continue to think it's silly, childish, illogical, boring, and false. All I ask is that you don't humiliate and embarrass the city and fanbase when they inevitably honor him (88 years old) while alive or posthumously at the UC ala the disgraceful booing of Krause and his widow at the Ring of Honor ceremony.

This is a White Sox thread, not a Bulls thread.

I disagree that ownership "doesn't change the NBA championship calculus," but agree that ownership tends to matter less in the NBA than it does in the MLB, just given the salary cap.

[Jcool0]

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[Michael Jackson]

I hope the Suns owner doesn't get it. He just as cheap as Reindorf and the Suns did a terrible job building their roster after making the finals

How is he cheap? They have 202M in salaries (#2) & are paying $152M in luxury tax (#1). If you want to compare, last year Suns were 4th and Bulls were 16th in total cap allocations.

This if anything he is an example of spending too much and too foolishly. Quite the opposite of Jerry. Also it isn’t Mat it is Justin and who knows if he would attack it the same way.

[Jcool0]

I hope the Suns owner doesn't get it. He just as cheap as Reindorf and the Suns did a terrible job building their roster after making the finals

How is he cheap? They have 202M in salaries (#2) & are paying $152M in luxury tax (#1). If you want to compare, last year Suns were 4th and Bulls were 16th in total cap allocations.

This if anything he is an example of spending too much and too foolishly. Quite the opposite of Jerry. Also it isn’t Mat it is Justin and who knows if he would attack it the same way.

He is currently building a house in Winnetka worth more then the White Sox have ever spent on a single player. Would be the 2nd richest owner in baseball. Also Mat was the basketball guy. Justin's love is baseball.

[fleet]

The Reinsdorf hatred on this board, and really, among Bulls fans in general across all social media, borders on complete derangement.

Yeah, there’s no reason for it.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

This thread got bumped? It’s about ishbia isn’t it.

Never seen so many grown men ball wash another dude as ishbia.* He’s slime (mortgage bozo) and is obviously going to move the team. The grass is not always greener, bulls/sox fans.

Green Bay Packers is still the model. Or any Bundesliga team. Fan-owned. It isn’t a fantasy.


*besides trump. I forgot about trump. Cleanest balls in American history.

[jnrjr79]

This thread got bumped? It’s about ishbia isn’t it.

Never seen so many grown men ball wash another dude as ishbia.* He’s slime (mortgage bozo) and is obviously going to move the team. The grass is not always greener, bulls/sox fans.

Green Bay Packers is still the model. Or any Bundesliga team. Fan-owned. It isn’t a fantasy.


*besides trump. I forgot about trump. Cleanest balls in American history.

Mortgages are good, actually, and I doubt a guy building a mega-compound on the lakefront in WInnetka is going to want to move the team.

[Michael Jackson]

This thread got bumped? It’s about ishbia isn’t it.

Never seen so many grown men ball wash another dude as ishbia.* He’s slime (mortgage bozo) and is obviously going to move the team. The grass is not always greener, bulls/sox fans.

Green Bay Packers is still the model. Or any Bundesliga team. Fan-owned. It isn’t a fantasy.


*besides trump. I forgot about trump. Cleanest balls in American history.

Mortgages are good, actually, and I doubt a guy building a mega-compound on the lakefront in WInnetka is going to want to move the team.

Agreed don't think he wants to move the team, well maybe out of the current stadium potentially but not out of state.

[jnrjr79]

This thread got bumped? It’s about ishbia isn’t it.

Never seen so many grown men ball wash another dude as ishbia.* He’s slime (mortgage bozo) and is obviously going to move the team. The grass is not always greener, bulls/sox fans.

Green Bay Packers is still the model. Or any Bundesliga team. Fan-owned. It isn’t a fantasy.


*besides trump. I forgot about trump. Cleanest balls in American history.

Mortgages are good, actually, and I doubt a guy building a mega-compound on the lakefront in WInnetka is going to want to move the team.

Agreed don't think he wants to move the team, well maybe out of the current stadium potentially but not out of state.

Yep, and he’s rich enough that he won’t need public funds to do the stadium.

Ishiba is such an obvious upgrade. Fans should be pretty encouraged that he’s increased his equity in the team. Now I just wish JR would sell him a majority share instead of riding out ownership for the rest of his life.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

Mortgages are good, actually, and I doubt a guy building a mega-compound on the lakefront in WInnetka is going to want to move the team.

Agreed don't think he wants to move the team, well maybe out of the current stadium potentially but not out of state.

Yep, and he’s rich enough that he won’t need public funds to do the stadium.

Ishiba is such an obvious upgrade. Fans should be pretty encouraged that he’s increased his equity in the team. Now I just wish JR would sell him a majority share instead of riding out ownership for the rest of his life.

living in the past. I'm pretty sure everyone got this opinion, whether they know it or not, from this guy who writes about stadiums at Michigan, Mark Rosentraub. Certainly he was the guy everyone was citing 20 years ago about why public investments in arenas are terrible ideas. Because they historically were. Times have seemingly changed and clearly stadiums and their "districts" look much different than they used to; and they actually generate revenue.

as a regular person, you want a public expenditure because you want a share of the revenue derived from it and ideally you'd like democratic control over such a large project. these stadium complexes generally make money now, why do you think they all want to do it privately? because they're so nice and not just leeches on our society? it's because they don't want to share with the public and they're glad nobody has updated their thinking on this topic since 2005. nobody ever considered that Reinsdorf is just stupid by asking for public money. He was stupid when he built new Comiskey to look like how it does instead of like Camden Yards. He was stupid to try to move the team to Tampa Bay, he would've lost a ton of money. Why shouldn't he be stupid again? Because he was smart at one thing and got rich from it? On the other hand, maybe JR is just a real nice guy and wants the public to get a share, maybe he cared that people in Bridgeport didn't want a bunch of bars and yuppy condos. Him making bad business decisions seems more likely than him being a nice guy, there's sort of a track record there.

[Jcool0]

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[Am2626]

He has control of both teams (i thought he had more then 19% of the Sox) and i think KC reported a few years ago he quietly bought up enough shares in the Bulls to have a 50+% stake. His minority partners are his friends so i don think they would be unhappy with him selling. I think fans had the dream of a billionaire coming in and buying all the minority shares and getting the team. But i dont think that is possible.

In order to attract a good offer, they need to sell a controlling stake to someone. Fair chance if Jerry wants out that enough people will follow his lead to allow that to happen though.

There’s never been any indication that Reinsdorf wants out of owning the Bulls. I think he even told his kids that if he dies they should sell the Sox and keep the Bulls. Unfortunately I think we will be stuck with the Reinsdorf’s for a very long time.

[Am2626]

The Reinsdorf hatred on this board, and really, among Bulls fans in general across all social media, borders on complete derangement.

If you’re a White Sox fan, being displeased with Reinsdorf is the furthest thing from derangement.

Maybe. I guess I'll take your word for it. I used to be a pretty big White Sox fan, but to be honest, I haven't followed them much in the last 15 or so years for reasons unrelated to Reinsdorf. The argument that he's cheap probably carries more weight in the MLB since there's no salary cap last I checked, but that's why I specifically said Bulls fans in my post.

My point is that Reinsdorf isn't the reason the Bulls haven't won a championship since 1998. I know that's a difficult truth for some to accept but it's the reality. Drafting generational talent primarily wins championships and that's largely luck. Being a premier free agent destination sometimes wins championships and that's largely weather. That's it. It's honestly that simple.

Spurs, Lakers, Pistons, Heat, Mavs, Celtics, Warriors, Cavs, Raptors, Bucks, Nuggets. Those are the teams that have won since 1998. ~36% of the league. It's almost entirely generational drafted talent and free agents going to warm weather destinations. The Bulls never had an option to draft Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Wade, Dirk, Tatum, Curry, LeBron, Kawhi, or Giannis. They missed on Jokic just like literally every other team in the league. They drafted one generational star since Jordan and he was almost immediately doomed by injuries. Not Reinsdorf's fault.

They made a couple of attempts at the 2004 Pistons model and fell short like every other team in the last 20 years. Reinsdorf and his hired FO made plays for Duncan, T Mac, Kobe, and LeBron over the years and lost out to a combination of warm weather, original franchise familiarity, and/or no state income taxes every time.

Selling the team does nothing. A new owner doesn't change the NBA championship calculus which is and has always been, with practically zero exceptions, to either draft generational talent or be Miami or LA and sign generational talent.

But whatever, to the "sell the team" and "poverty franchise" crowd, perhaps hating Reinsdorf makes life make sense and is the safety blanket you need. I will continue to think it's silly, childish, illogical, boring, and false. All I ask is that you don't humiliate and embarrass the city and fanbase when they inevitably honor him (88 years old) while alive or posthumously at the UC ala the disgraceful booing of Krause and his widow at the Ring of Honor ceremony.

Actually it is. If he fired Krause like 999 out of 1,000 owners would do there is a good chance the Bulls win the championship the following year. The shortened season would help the Bulls as well. Wasn’t it the 8 seed Knicks that came out of the East that year?

All of the premier stars in that era looked down upon the Bulls Organization for dismantling a dynasty. All the great players who looked up to Jordan felt that the Bulls did him wrong. Reinsdorf is 100% responsible for alienating the Bulls from the rest of the league.

[dougthonus]

There’s never been any indication that Reinsdorf wants out of owning the Bulls. I think he even told his kids that if he dies they should sell the Sox and keep the Bulls. Unfortunately I think we will be stuck with the Reinsdorf’s for a very long time.

I agree with that, was just talking in hypotheticals. Reinsdorf alone doesn't own a controlling interest which complicates things too. Only Reinsdorf selling doesn't grant the new owner decision making power necessarily.