NBA Trade Thread #11

[DuckIII]

This idea of a youth movement for the bulls is extremely flawed. It would be one thing if we were building around extremely talented players like Tatum or brown or if we had a lot of really good role players like the thunder but we don’t. Our three best “youth” players aren’t that good. Giddy and white are on offense and completely useless on defense. Williams is good on defense but useless on offense. All our other youth movement players are g league talent. Smith and matas are the only ones worth keeping on a team. We’re on the trajectory of being a more competitive hornets becuase of Vuc and Lavine. If we want a youth movement it should start with drafting a potential star in this draft but that won’t happen becuase the gm doesn’t want tank so he isn’t fired.

Dont be fooled…this isn’t a youth movement. The gm built a roster that can ge fast pace and high scoring so he can point to having one of the best offenses when he’s asked why he shouldn’t be fired

I don’t really think anyone agrees with your general point. There are a couple of posters who still seem to think AK is good, but everyone else sees the stupid line he’s trying to walk here.

Idk. Every time I make a post about trading giddey or white I got three or four posters telling me how dumb of an idea it is to trade our future

First, terrible typo on my part. That was supposed say than no one “disagrees” with your point.

As to the posters, I suspect a lot do actually disagree with you about dumping literally everyone but Matas and Smith. Some may want to keep White and trade Ayo and let Giddey walk. Some may prefer Giddey. Some may prefer Ayo.

For me, and I know I’m in an extreme minority on this, based on today’s information, my ideal rebuild scenario heading into this summer would be to trade everyone but Matas, Pat, Ayo and Smith. Those guys all defend, Ayo will cost less than White to resign, White has more trade value, and despite that I still prefer Ayo as a role player to build with.

You trade White, Zach, Craig and Vuc for the best future assets you can get, lock in your top ten pick this year, and go.

So even people like me who desperately want a full rebuild still come up short of your more hardcore view.

[sco]

I don’t really think anyone agrees with your general point. There are a couple of posters who still seem to think AK is good, but everyone else sees the stupid line he’s trying to walk here.

Idk. Every time I make a post about trading giddey or white I got three or four posters telling me how dumb of an idea it is to trade our future

First, terrible typo on my part. That was supposed say than no one “disagrees” with your point.

As to the posters, I suspect a lot do actually disagree with you about dumping literally everyone but Matas and Smith. Some may want to keep White and trade Ayo and let Giddey walk. Some may prefer Giddey. Some may prefer Ayo.

For me, and I know I’m in an extreme minority on this, based on today’s information, my ideal rebuild scenario heading into this summer would be to trade everyone but Matas, Pat, Ayo and Smith. Those guys all defend, Ayo will cost less than White to resign, White has more trade value, and despite that I still prefer Ayo as a role player to build with.

You trade White, Zach, Craig and Vuc for the best future assets you can get, lock in your top ten pick this year, and go.

So even people like me who desperately want a full rebuild still come up short of your more hardcore view.

I do agree that for a team to contend in the NBA they need a true #1 option and a #2 option. The reality is that true #1 options aren't something that you can guarantee yourself of getting. And, even if you do get one through tanking, you need to luck into getting one early on in the tank process because you can end up going 5 years of high picks with none of them being a true #1, and you end up with 4 or 5 inexperienced starters and an inexperienced team around him with no easy path to build a winner.

I'll be interested to see what SA does to put a real team around Wemby. Right now they have a lot of young guys around him and still aren't close to contending.

I'm not saying that AK is good. I will give him credit for coming in with a plan to win now with a good mix of players, but he bet the farm to get to that point. Once a GM gets to the point where he isn't close to contending and he doesn't have a good stockpile of asset, I think owners need to step in to save the team from despiration moves that further extend the time for the rebuilding to start. However, I think that AK isn't getting fired barring a truly stupid move going forward.

People who post about wanting to trade almost every tradeable player, I think are just venting their understandable frustration. The obvious point to make regarding these trades is that there is decent value coming back. Would I trade Ayo, Coby and Pat, absolutely, but only for value. And don't tell me that if we got 3 non-lotto picks for the 3 of them that you somehow expect those to yield a true #1.

[DuckIII]

Yeah, basically I’d be willing to trade all of them except Matas. In my opinion he’s the most talented player we have drafted since Rose. But you obviously can’t and shouldn’t purge a team in exactly that way. Some combination of existing rotation players will remain no matter what.

[d boy gentleman]

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A second round pick, and thank you very much.

They don't have a 2nd rounder until 2031

[Rose2Boozer]

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A second round pick, and thank you very much.

They don't have a 2nd rounder until 2031

I'll take that.

[pipfan]

I don’t really think anyone agrees with your general point. There are a couple of posters who still seem to think AK is good, but everyone else sees the stupid line he’s trying to walk here.

Idk. Every time I make a post about trading giddey or white I got three or four posters telling me how dumb of an idea it is to trade our future

First, terrible typo on my part. That was supposed say than no one “disagrees” with your point.

As to the posters, I suspect a lot do actually disagree with you about dumping literally everyone but Matas and Smith. Some may want to keep White and trade Ayo and let Giddey walk. Some may prefer Giddey. Some may prefer Ayo.

For me, and I know I’m in an extreme minority on this, based on today’s information, my ideal rebuild scenario heading into this summer would be to trade everyone but Matas, Pat, Ayo and Smith. Those guys all defend, Ayo will cost less than White to resign, White has more trade value, and despite that I still prefer Ayo as a role player to build with.

You trade White, Zach, Craig and Vuc for the best future assets you can get, lock in your top ten pick this year, and go.

So even people like me who desperately want a full rebuild still come up short of your more hardcore view.

Totally agree-I REALLY wanted CWhite dealt at the draft (SA and Orl seemed like great fits). I like Coby, but we need a stud. Ayo/Matas/PWill/Smith could all fit around a star, and Phillips/Terry are painless bench depth.

Trade the rest

[The Explorer]

I keep saying Bulls and Lakers trades online. I'm not seeing the appeal of dealing with the Lakers. Russell, Rui, Reaves, Vincent etc are not going to move the needle for Chicago. Reaves in particular is horrible defender. Most Lakers fans think Russell and Vincent are trash. Reaves looks good playing off of an MVP caliber player in Davis, that wouldn't be the case in Chicago. There are better deals to be had for Lavine and/or Vucevic. If there aren't, then might as well keep them. Why the hell would we want to help LAL with all the offensive firepower and not get anything significant in return.

[Infinity2152]

I keep saying Bulls and Lakers trades online. I'm not seeing the appeal of dealing with the Lakers. Russell, Rui, Reaves, Vincent etc are not going to move the needle for Chicago. Reaves in particular is horrible defender. Most Lakers fans think Russell and Vincent are trash. Reaves looks good playing off of an MVP caliber player in Davis, that wouldn't be the case in Chicago. There are better deals to be had for Lavine and/or Vucevic. If there aren't, then might as well keep them. Why the hell would we want to help LAL with all the offensive firepower and not get anything significant in return.

Look at assets for assets as opposed to players vs players. Rui, 27 starter PF, $17 mill. Vanderbilt 25 starter PF $11 mill, Reaves 26 starter SG $13 mill. Russell 28 starter PG $18 mill expiring. Plus most of the proposed deal have draft compensation coming back. Vs Lavine 29 starting SG $43 mill, $49 mill in his last year. Vucevic 34 starting center $20 mill. Plus filler. You're rarely going to get equal talent AND younger players with more tradeable contracts. Zach and Vuc are better than any of the players coming back, but they're all younger and I think all have started at some point. The market for Lavine will be limited because of the size of his contract, only contenders will want him, and most are above the cap and would have to gut their squads to add him. Vuc's contract is not as big, but most contenders would still have trouble matching $20 mill without giving up vital players or multiple picks. Most of these contenders barely have picks. Whether or not they're better as a whole, the combination fits our team much better than the current construction. Rui or Vandy should probably instantly start on this team. Russell gets traded or expires, leaving us with the trade asset or $18 mill in cap space to replace him.

This from a guy (me) who has defended Zach and Vuc's value far more than most, lol.

[jordanwilliams6]

There’s nothing I want from the Lakers unless they are adding the 2029 & 2031 1st round picks in with all their mediocre players.

Reaves is solid but at 26 he is what he is. We’ve already got plenty of complimentary 3rd & 4th option types. Rui, Russell & Vincent are bad players and would be pointless acquisitions.

[Infinity2152]

I'd certainly ask for those picks in that trade. Russell is expiring, so even if you can't get any trade, you still clear $18 mill in cap. Vanderbilt's a pretty good young player, would definitely demand him in a trade. I think you could get positive trade value for Rui this summer, far easier than Zach's $46 mill. I'd see Reaves as more a replacement for White, who I see as a sixth man type player that's going to get a starter's salary. Rui as a bad player is a stretch, he's probably as good as our starter right now, and cheaper. Last year, averaged 13.6 pts, 4.3 rbs shooting 54% from the field and 42% from three in 27 minutes. 50% from three so far this year. Somebody will give up assets for him. You might get a late first and expirings for Russell at the deadline, maybe the same for Rui or Vandy or Reaves from a contender. That's 2-3 more firsts, plus $30-40 mill in cap space.

Not talking about keeping most of the Lakers players, but they would be far more movable, and we add picks and clear a ton of salary. You could certainly get assets trading Reaves, but he honestly seems like the type of player the Bulls need, not just because of his skill, but his energy. Zach and Vuc are at their highest trade value now, who knows what they'll be worth at the end of the season. Especially if one/both get hurt. Picks from the Lakers 5 years from now will be valuable, they're probably going to suck hard by that point, no AD, no Lebron, no draft picks.

[Red8911]

We’ve been talking Zach to Lakers trade for over a year now. If the Lakers really wanted Zach they would have made a move for him this whole time. It might be time to let this go.

Still think a Zach trade in general( to anyone) will be difficult to pull off once again this season.

[Chi town]

We’ve been talking Zach to Lakers trade for over a year now. If the Lakers really wanted Zach they would have made a move for him this whole time. It might be time to let this go.

Still think a Zach trade in general( to anyone) will be difficult to pull off once again this season.

Agreed. Only a desperate team to contend or make the playoffs.

Magic maybe with KCP being bad signing.

Pistons want to make playoffs.

Spurs if they want to compete for playoffs.

[NecessaryEvil]

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I assume it would be centerd around Melton coming back and their 1st this year. GS would still need to add more salary though.

[Chi town]

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I assume it would be centerd around Melton coming back and their 1st this year. GS would still need to add more salary though.

No way AK admits defeat by trading 4th pick Pat for a late 1st. Unless he believes his foot is cooked.

[KissedByaRose1]

The Cowley article from yesterday was incredibly promising. If he's correct and we're actually looking to trade those guys/solidify our draft slot it's the best news we've gotten since GarPax was fired lol.

[ChettheJet]

Joe Cowley, News Breaker.

First he says that the Bulls are still trying to trade Zach and Vuc,

then the mention of his ground breaking story closes with that there was no trade market for either last summer.

Does know-it-all Joe try to get into what has changed to make either of them traceable now as opposed o last summer?

[Rose2Boozer]

AK leaves Carolina behind. The Bulls send White and Williams to the Bucks for Middleton.

[Chi town]

The Cowley article from yesterday was incredibly promising. If he's correct and we're actually looking to trade those guys/solidify our draft slot it's the best news we've gotten since GarPax was fired lol.

Cowley being Cowley.

Think it’s obvious we are tanking for our pick this season. Ayo White and now Pat have all been added to the available category.

I hope AK doesn’t sell low or sell players like Ayo Coby because he can’t sell Lavine or Vuc. He has been patient thus far and their values are rising.

I could see Magic trading for Coby. They have young talent and 1sts available.

I could see Pistons trading for Zach with THJ’s contract and Stewart’s long contract and one of Holland Ausar or Ivey. Don’t know that I really want any of them though. Ivey may be able to play off Giddey and Coby but plays alot like Ayo.

I think Dubs and Lakers make the most sense for Vuc.

[KissedByaRose1]

The Cowley article from yesterday was incredibly promising. If he's correct and we're actually looking to trade those guys/solidify our draft slot it's the best news we've gotten since GarPax was fired lol.

Cowley being Cowley.

Think it’s obvious we are tanking for our pick this season. Ayo White and now Pat have all been added to the available category.

I hope AK doesn’t sell low or sell players like Ayo Coby because he can’t sell Lavine or Vuc. He has been patient thus far and their values are rising.

I could see Magic trading for Coby. They have young talent and 1sts available.

I could see Pistons trading for Zach with THJ’s contract and Stewart’s long contract and one of Holland Ausar or Ivey. Don’t know that I really want any of them though. Ivey may be able to play off Giddey and Coby but plays alot like Ayo.

I think Dubs and Lakers make the most sense for Vuc.

Cowley is a loser for sure but i believe he has real sources at berto center. The fact that they're not looking at this messy East and thinking they can make a run is truly awesome. I think we can get 3-4 1sts for Vooch/Lavine/Coby combined. That plus Matas and our own pick and we're off! I wish AKME was gone and a more competent GM could start this rebuild but beggars can't be choosers.

Hell I'd even take Paxson back at this point if Jerry wants to be cheap about it.