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Post#41 » by Hangtime84 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 1:28 pm

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sco wrote:I just want him to stay healthy. His prior hot streaks have usually ended because he was dealing with an injury or his role changed.

Just keep him healthy and don't muck with his role and let him cook.


He isn’t healthy right now he is dealing with ankle injury


Most players aren’t healthy right now.


The point is his strreaks end when he isn't healthy. Right now he isn't. Wrist injury imo was the one that brother him the most. We are seeing the same thing with ball.
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Post#42 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Mar 24, 2025 1:32 pm

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Dez wrote:Which is why he's got to be traded.


He’s not getting traded this offseason unless it for a young all-star. So unlikely.

Traded for a young All-Star despite not being an All-Star? Okay.


Packaged with picks. I said unlikely
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Post#43 » by 2weekswithpay » Mon Mar 24, 2025 1:55 pm

FriedRise wrote:The game has slowed down even more for him. This isn't just him on a crazy heater shooting 90% from 3 for a few weeks. His 3P% in this 9 game stretch is actually down (35.1%) compared to his career average (36.8%). But he's figured out a way to get to the rim and make something happen - which in many cases seem to be drawing contact and then going to the line. Looks like whatever strength conditioning he was doing is paying off because dude is absorbing a ton of contact to be able to get all these and-1s.

He was pretty good too last year, but it took him a little bit to adjust to the grueling schedule of playing NBA starter minutes. He sucked in the first couple months of the season figuring out how to play with the Mid 3 before picking it up in December once Zach went down. If you remember, last season was his first full year playing as a starter; he was coming off the bench before that playing 22 mpg.

The question is, is this sustainable? We know he can't rely on just his 3pt shooting because the dude is super streaky, so can he consistently go to the line 7-8 times a game and keep up this scoring output?


He's not going to the line 7-8 times a game. The only guards that get that amount of free throws are SGA, Harden, Trae, and Brunson.
During this stretch, he only gets 5.5 attempts per game. Getting to 7 attempts would be an outlier development.

He isn't going to keep up this scoring output, but getting free throws and paint touches is a better way to generate offense consistently.
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Post#44 » by jnrjr79 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:12 pm

Dez wrote:No, Coby is streaky.

This isn't a new Coby, it's part of his repertoire and he'll mix in a cold streak where he's useless pretty soon.


As others have noted, it is indeed a new Coby, because this isn’t a result of hot shooting, but instead a new ability to score at the rim and get to the line. That might be more sustainable than hot shooting.
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Post#45 » by jnrjr79 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:13 pm

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Dez wrote:Which is why he's got to be traded.


I was in that camp before the TDL. Since Giddey’s emergence and Coby’s Bully Ball FT parade I’m for keeping him unless we get a great offer.

I’d love to know what type of offer you’d move him for.

Whatever the best offer is, take it.

His next contract is going to be an overpay, he won't be worth it.

Cash in.


It might be the right move to trade him, but I doubt the Bulls get all that much, because the receiving team will have the same problem the Bulls have: they can’t extend him and would have to use cap space to resign him.
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Post#46 » by sco » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:23 pm

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Dez wrote:No, Coby is streaky.

This isn't a new Coby, it's part of his repertoire and he'll mix in a cold streak where he's useless pretty soon.


As others have noted, it is indeed a new Coby, because this isn’t a result of hot shooting, but instead a new ability to score at the rim and get to the line. That might be more sustainable than hot shooting.

I'm still waiting for the end of the season to see if he keeps it up to and through the playin/offs. And, look, if they can sign him to an extension, even a short one, this offseason, that'd be a win, and if not, we'll have all next season to see if he's really improved sustainably, which, to me, is certainly enough to show whether or not this is just a streak. I'd much rather pay Coby a MAX contract after he's shown he earned it than get him "on the cheap" for a couple more years and have this be just a hot streak.
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Post#47 » by Jcool0 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:28 pm

Ice Man wrote:Thanks to his March exploits, Coby has pretty much caught the more-celebrated Tyler Herro with scoring stats. Tyler is averaging 24 points per 36 on 59% TS%, while Coby is at 22 points per 36 with the same True Shooting %.


They are at a pretty similar level overall.

Kind of similar March with Coby ahead offensively

March Hero: 46/31/90 20.5/4.4/4.9

March White: 50/34/89 29.1/4.6/3.6
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Post#48 » by sco » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:36 pm

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Ice Man wrote:Thanks to his March exploits, Coby has pretty much caught the more-celebrated Tyler Herro with scoring stats. Tyler is averaging 24 points per 36 on 59% TS%, while Coby is at 22 points per 36 with the same True Shooting %.


They are at a pretty similar level overall.

Kind of similar March with Coby ahead offensively

March Hero: 46/31/90 20.5/4.4/4.9

March White: 50/34/89 29.1/4.6/3.6

Good find. The question I have is whether we would be comfortable with MarCoby (the Herro of the North) as our go-forward #1 option with the premise that there is a path to contention with a team featuring Coby, Giddey, Matas, where IMO you have enough dry powder for one more good player (but probably not a #1 option)?
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Post#49 » by Jcool0 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:46 pm

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Ice Man wrote:Thanks to his March exploits, Coby has pretty much caught the more-celebrated Tyler Herro with scoring stats. Tyler is averaging 24 points per 36 on 59% TS%, while Coby is at 22 points per 36 with the same True Shooting %.


They are at a pretty similar level overall.

Kind of similar March with Coby ahead offensively

March Hero: 46/31/90 20.5/4.4/4.9

March White: 50/34/89 29.1/4.6/3.6

Good find. The question I have is whether we would be comfortable with MarCoby (the Herro of the North) as our go-forward #1 option with the premise that there is a path to contention with a team featuring Coby, Giddey, Matas, where IMO you have enough dry powder for one more good player (but probably not a #1 option)?


I always kind of thought Hero was better suited as a 6th man. He made a jump this year i didn't expect from him. But its still a level where if he is your #1 you aren't making the playoffs. Coby can be the #1 here and maybe Giddey and Matas are good enough for the Bulls to be an actual playoff team but if you are expecting Coby to be your best player and/or best scorer odds are high you aren't contending.
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Post#50 » by Chi town » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:52 pm

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They are at a pretty similar level overall.

Kind of similar March with Coby ahead offensively

March Hero: 46/31/90 20.5/4.4/4.9

March White: 50/34/89 29.1/4.6/3.6

Good find. The question I have is whether we would be comfortable with MarCoby (the Herro of the North) as our go-forward #1 option with the premise that there is a path to contention with a team featuring Coby, Giddey, Matas, where IMO you have enough dry powder for one more good player (but probably not a #1 option)?


I always kind of thought Hero was better suited as a 6th man. He made a jump this year i didn't expect from him. But its still a level where if he is your #1 you aren't making the playoffs. Coby can be the #1 here and maybe Giddey and Matas are good enough for the Bulls to be an actual playoff team but if you are expecting Coby to be your best player and/or best scorer odds are high you aren't contending.


I see Coby more as your shotmaking closer.

Many ways to build a winner and then a contender.
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Post#51 » by Chi town » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:54 pm

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Dez wrote:No, Coby is streaky.

This isn't a new Coby, it's part of his repertoire and he'll mix in a cold streak where he's useless pretty soon.


As others have noted, it is indeed a new Coby, because this isn’t a result of hot shooting, but instead a new ability to score at the rim and get to the line. That might be more sustainable than hot shooting.

I'm still waiting for the end of the season to see if he keeps it up to and through the playin/offs. And, look, if they can sign him to an extension, even a short one, this offseason, that'd be a win, and if not, we'll have all next season to see if he's really improved sustainably, which, to me, is certainly enough to show whether or not this is just a streak. I'd much rather pay Coby a MAX contract after he's shown he earned it than get him "on the cheap" for a couple more years and have this be just a hot streak.


The most we can extend Coby for is 18M.

That won’t be happening.

If he keeps this up through a playoff series against Celts or Cavs as most likely the champion… that Coby will be getting paid big bucks. Maxish bucks.
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Post#52 » by Jcool0 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:59 pm

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sco wrote:
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As others have noted, it is indeed a new Coby, because this isn’t a result of hot shooting, but instead a new ability to score at the rim and get to the line. That might be more sustainable than hot shooting.

I'm still waiting for the end of the season to see if he keeps it up to and through the playin/offs. And, look, if they can sign him to an extension, even a short one, this offseason, that'd be a win, and if not, we'll have all next season to see if he's really improved sustainably, which, to me, is certainly enough to show whether or not this is just a streak. I'd much rather pay Coby a MAX contract after he's shown he earned it than get him "on the cheap" for a couple more years and have this be just a hot streak.


The most we can extend Coby for is 18M.

That won’t be happening.

If he keeps this up through a playoff series against Celts or Cavs as most likely the champion… that Coby will be getting paid big bucks. Maxish bucks.


I 100% would not max Coby. I would trade him this off season. Knowing AK it would be for a win now piece and not a draft pick. I know Zion is the popular name right now. If they get Flagg they might just run it back with Zion and Flagg and see what happens. I know probably would. Don't like Paul George at all and would hate that. Its a limited group but you never know what might be available.
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Post#53 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:01 pm

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sco wrote:I'm still waiting for the end of the season to see if he keeps it up to and through the playin/offs. And, look, if they can sign him to an extension, even a short one, this offseason, that'd be a win, and if not, we'll have all next season to see if he's really improved sustainably, which, to me, is certainly enough to show whether or not this is just a streak. I'd much rather pay Coby a MAX contract after he's shown he earned it than get him "on the cheap" for a couple more years and have this be just a hot streak.


The most we can extend Coby for is 18M.

That won’t be happening.

If he keeps this up through a playoff series against Celts or Cavs as most likely the champion… that Coby will be getting paid big bucks. Maxish bucks.


I 100% would not max Coby. I would trade him this off season. Knowing AK it would be for a win now piece and not a draft pick. I know Zion is the popular name right now. If they get Flagg they might just run it back with Zion and Flagg and see what happens. I know probably would. Don't like Paul George at all and would hate that. Its a limited group but you never know what might be available.


Talk about maxing Coby is crazy talk. $25 million is about the highest I would go.

Paul George will not get traded. He is on the worst contract in the NBA. Maybe only Embiid’s is worse.
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Post#54 » by Chi town » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:10 pm

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The most we can extend Coby for is 18M.

That won’t be happening.

If he keeps this up through a playoff series against Celts or Cavs as most likely the champion… that Coby will be getting paid big bucks. Maxish bucks.


I 100% would not max Coby. I would trade him this off season. Knowing AK it would be for a win now piece and not a draft pick. I know Zion is the popular name right now. If they get Flagg they might just run it back with Zion and Flagg and see what happens. I know probably would. Don't like Paul George at all and would hate that. Its a limited group but you never know what might be available.


Talk about maxing Coby is crazy talk. $25 million is about the highest I would go.

Paul George will not get traded. He is on the worst contract in the NBA. Maybe only Embiid’s is worse.


Of course it’s crazy. If he puts up 30 a game in the playoffs everything changes.

AK will run it back with our pick. Hopefully he sends Vuc out and he gears up for a trade at next years deadline. Ideally we have POR pick and ours to add another piece to Giddey Coby Buz via trade.

You know AK will NOT be patient. He will make another Vuc trade to speed it up.
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Post#55 » by jnrjr79 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:11 pm

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Dez wrote:No, Coby is streaky.

This isn't a new Coby, it's part of his repertoire and he'll mix in a cold streak where he's useless pretty soon.


As others have noted, it is indeed a new Coby, because this isn’t a result of hot shooting, but instead a new ability to score at the rim and get to the line. That might be more sustainable than hot shooting.

I'm still waiting for the end of the season to see if he keeps it up to and through the playin/offs. And, look, if they can sign him to an extension, even a short one, this offseason, that'd be a win, and if not, we'll have all next season to see if he's really improved sustainably, which, to me, is certainly enough to show whether or not this is just a streak. I'd much rather pay Coby a MAX contract after he's shown he earned it than get him "on the cheap" for a couple more years and have this be just a hot streak.


They will have zero chance to extend him this offseason. You're right it'd be a win, but there is no reason why he would take that salary when he'll make a lot more soon the open market.
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Post#56 » by Jcool0 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:17 pm

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I 100% would not max Coby. I would trade him this off season. Knowing AK it would be for a win now piece and not a draft pick. I know Zion is the popular name right now. If they get Flagg they might just run it back with Zion and Flagg and see what happens. I know probably would. Don't like Paul George at all and would hate that. Its a limited group but you never know what might be available.


Talk about maxing Coby is crazy talk. $25 million is about the highest I would go.

Paul George will not get traded. He is on the worst contract in the NBA. Maybe only Embiid’s is worse.


Of course it’s crazy. If he puts up 30 a game in the playoffs everything changes.

AK will run it back with our pick. Hopefully he sends Vuc out and he gears up for a trade at next years deadline. Ideally we have POR pick and ours to add another piece to Giddey Coby Buz via trade.

You know AK will NOT be patient. He will make another Vuc trade to speed it up.


Probably someone like Jarrett Allen.
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Post#57 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:18 pm

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As others have noted, it is indeed a new Coby, because this isn’t a result of hot shooting, but instead a new ability to score at the rim and get to the line. That might be more sustainable than hot shooting.

I'm still waiting for the end of the season to see if he keeps it up to and through the playin/offs. And, look, if they can sign him to an extension, even a short one, this offseason, that'd be a win, and if not, we'll have all next season to see if he's really improved sustainably, which, to me, is certainly enough to show whether or not this is just a streak. I'd much rather pay Coby a MAX contract after he's shown he earned it than get him "on the cheap" for a couple more years and have this be just a hot streak.


They will have zero chance to extend him this offseason. You're right it'd be a win, but there is no reason why he would take that salary when he'll make a lot more soon the open market.


Yeah Coby is not signing an extension. $18 million is just not gonna get it done.
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Post#58 » by FriedRise » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:24 pm

Not like we have a choice, but now I want us to make the playoffs to see how our guys perform - specifically Coby. That's the real test. If he consistently puts up numbers and the moment isn't too big for him, then we'll have a better idea that he can be a top option and what the team needs to do.
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Post#59 » by Chi town » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:30 pm

FriedRise wrote:Not like we have a choice, but now I want us to make the playoffs to see how our guys perform - specifically Coby. That's the real test. If he consistently puts up numbers and the moment isn't too big for him, then we'll have a better idea that he can be a top option and what the team needs to do.


Me too. I want two do or die play in wins and a playoff series. I’d like one win playoff win and a competitive series.

Want to see the core 3 and what others like Pat and Collins and Jones do. Even Zo.
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Post#60 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:39 pm

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FriedRise wrote:Not like we have a choice, but now I want us to make the playoffs to see how our guys perform - specifically Coby. That's the real test. If he consistently puts up numbers and the moment isn't too big for him, then we'll have a better idea that he can be a top option and what the team needs to do.


Me too. I want two do or die play in wins and a playoff series. I’d like one win playoff win and a competitive series.

Want to see the core 3 and what others like Pat and Collins and Jones do. Even Zo.


I don’t think he can be a top option on a contender. He looks like a great #3 and possibly a decent #2.

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