NBA Trade Thread #12

[Dez]

Claxton is rimming run hustle big just like Collins. Considering he played at Georgia I have been following him longer than you have. And why the Hell would I watch the Nets this season? I doubt his game has changed much from last year.

How would his amazing 10/7 production change our frontcourt dear Claxton expert that would justify a $100 million contract?

He offers rim protection that we currently don't have. Also he'd have 3 years left and it declines from $25M each year, he'd be an excellent fit.

No thanks. We can get that for cheaper down the line. Claxton is an expensive role player piece. Not a player we should be wasting money on now. We already have a bad contract in Williams and will likely be paying Giddey Coby 30 plus million apiece. No room for role players that would be minor upgrade making as much an our “stars”. Collins played good defense when he started. Not a rim protector, but he gets to right spots.

Claxton is guy a serious contender would go after to fill a hole kinda like. Kinda like Gafford in Dallas. Not a rebuilding team like the Bulls that won’t go into the luxury tax unless we are the brink of the finals. And why would the Nets trade him if he is so good and young on a team friendly deal? What are we giving up? Definitely not any picks or any players that we seriously value.

Saying Collins played good defense is a stretch, he wasn't Vucevic.

Claxton is far more than a minor upgrade.

The Bulls also shouldn't be paying Coby 30 million, that's going to bite them in the ass quite quickly.

Hopefully the Nets would be interested in something like Williams/Ayo for Claxton.

Out C rotation isn't great and Claxton is better than Collins and Smith.

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[sco]

So those of you who are keen to trade Coby before he costs $30M+ year, what/who do you think we could get?

[2weekswithpay]

So those of you who are keen to trade Coby before he costs $30M+ year, what/who do you think we could get?

This recent stretch might keep his market value from dropping. So, 1-2 FRPs + matching salary, or 1 FRP and a solid prospect. Hard to imagine his value getting higher than this with his archetype.

[Infinity2152]

Keep Giddey. Keep Coby. Keep Matas. Keep Jones. If Coby gets $25-$30 mill, that is not top in the NBA SG money. It's high mid-tier SG money. That's where Coby is. Giddey deserves rookie max by most performance metrics. For half the season, half the fans in here thought Giddey was a terrible mistake. Of our current contracts over $8 mill, only Pat looks like an overpay, and he's in the first year of his extension. Teams with bottom 15 payrolls typically are bottom teams. You have to spend money to win in the NBA.

This team is playing great together, that matters too. We already did the "put some talented stars together and hope it works" approach. Tre Jones, Huerter and Collins fit was highly unexpected. It works. We could probably re-sign all three to good contracts. Focus on getting rid of the players not producing or not fitting, not the ones that are. Bulls need to start with Carter, Terry, Collins/Vucevic trades before they even look at anybody else.

No way we can go into the season with Collins, Vucevic, Smith. Really doesn't matter much long term which we trade between Vucevic and Collins. Both expire next summer, and would hope the Bulls would not re-sign either one, using that $20 mill to sign a replacement. Smith will still have a year left, he may be ready to be a starter at only $9.4 mill, or at least valuable backup.

[Infinity2152]

Let's assume we'll have to sign a starting center summer 2026. Collins and Vucevic are both expiring. Top free agent centers summer 2026 are Ayton, Vucevic, Collins, Poetl, Porzingas. We already have 2 of the top 5 available centers.

Makes pushing for a S&T for Turner, Claxton or Reid make much more sense. Especially if we can use Vuc and/or Collins to make the trade, even if it's a three team trade. All of them are better than the FA centers in 2026, except Porzingas (injury risk and will get the highest contract)

I'm assuming we're drafting a guard/forward, so with Ball, Giddey, Coby, Matas, rookie, a great player at any position other than center will take minutes from one of our top young players.

[sco]

Let's assume we'll have to sign a starting center summer 2026. Collins and Vucevic are both expiring. Top free agent centers summer 2026 are Ayton, Vucevic, Collins, Poetl, Porzingas. We already have 2 of the top 5 available centers.

Makes pushing for a S&T for Turner, Claxton or Reid make much more sense. Especially if we can use Vuc and/or Collins to make the trade, even if it's a three team trade. All of them are better than the FA centers in 2026, except Porzingas (injury risk and will get the highest contract)

I'm assuming we're drafting a guard/forward, so with Ball, Giddey, Coby, Matas, rookie, a great player at any position other than center will take minutes from one of our top young players.

We're better off just starting Smith. KP is the only one in that group that I would characterize as in the top 50% of starting C's. As for Turner, Claxton or Reid, Turner would be great, at the right price, but would likely put us over the tax (depending on how much Giddey and Coby cost). Claxton may be gettable, but that's because BKN may hate paying $25M/yr for a 10/8/1.5 guy, I'd only do it if they'd take Pat back in that deal. Reid is nice offensively, but I've never gotten the sense he's much of a rim protector.

[sco]

I may be wrong on this, but adding a late 1st this draft looks interesting. Would Ayo get us there? ESPN has guys like Wolf and Broome there.

[WindyCityBorn]

He offers rim protection that we currently don't have. Also he'd have 3 years left and it declines from $25M each year, he'd be an excellent fit.

No thanks. We can get that for cheaper down the line. Claxton is an expensive role player piece. Not a player we should be wasting money on now. We already have a bad contract in Williams and will likely be paying Giddey Coby 30 plus million apiece. No room for role players that would be minor upgrade making as much an our “stars”. Collins played good defense when he started. Not a rim protector, but he gets to right spots.

Claxton is guy a serious contender would go after to fill a hole kinda like. Kinda like Gafford in Dallas. Not a rebuilding team like the Bulls that won’t go into the luxury tax unless we are the brink of the finals. And why would the Nets trade him if he is so good and young on a team friendly deal? What are we giving up? Definitely not any picks or any players that we seriously value.

Saying Collins played good defense is a stretch, he wasn't Vucevic.

Claxton is far more than a minor upgrade.

The Bulls also shouldn't be paying Coby 30 million, that's going to bite them in the ass quite quickly.

Hopefully the Nets would be interested in something like Williams/Ayo for Claxton.

Out C rotation isn't great and Claxton is better than Collins and Smith.

Why would the Nets take an overpaid bust and an injured dude for Claxton? You can’t say a guy is really good on value deal and then expect a team to take trash for him.

Also if Coby plays like this all next season there is no way you can say he isn’t worth $30 million.

[Infinity2152]

Let's assume we'll have to sign a starting center summer 2026. Collins and Vucevic are both expiring. Top free agent centers summer 2026 are Ayton, Vucevic, Collins, Poetl, Porzingas. We already have 2 of the top 5 available centers.

Makes pushing for a S&T for Turner, Claxton or Reid make much more sense. Especially if we can use Vuc and/or Collins to make the trade, even if it's a three team trade. All of them are better than the FA centers in 2026, except Porzingas (injury risk and will get the highest contract)

I'm assuming we're drafting a guard/forward, so with Ball, Giddey, Coby, Matas, rookie, a great player at any position other than center will take minutes from one of our top young players.

We're better off just starting Smith. KP is the only one in that group that I would characterize as in the top 50% of starting C's. As for Turner, Claxton or Reid, Turner would be great, at the right price, but would likely put us over the tax (depending on how much Giddey and Coby cost). Claxton may be gettable, but that's because BKN may hate paying $25M/yr for a 10/8/1.5 guy, I'd only do it if they'd take Pat back in that deal. Reid is nice offensively, but I've never gotten the sense he's much of a rim protector.

A deal for Turner means Vuc and Collins are likely gone. That would happen before Coby's pay raise. There's no way we sign Turner, lose Vuc and Collins money off the books and have to go into the tax to re-sign Coby. Our only big contracts would be Giddey hopefully around $30 and Turner for that or less. We have two players with guaranteed money 2026, Pat Will at $18 mill and Jalen Snith at $9.4. Add 5.7 for Matas, maybe $5 mill for our rookie this year. Even with $30 mill each for Giddey and Turner, more than enough to re-sign Coby. Tax threshold is around $188 mill in 2026, right?

Naz Reid is just a beast. He hasn't gotten the exposure he could have because he's in Minny. Far more than Smith, Naz Reid has the athletic ability, shooting and most importantly drive and energy to be a top 5 center in my opinion. He's even a pretty good ball handler. He's fast, would work well in a running offense. This is from watching a fair amount of gameplay and other footage on Reid, like practice and interview footage. He's a legit tough center. And he's 25, he could anchor our defense for years. He's probably a better fit than Turner. Career average of 1.6 blocks and 1.1 steals per 36.

[jnrjr79]

So those of you who are keen to trade Coby before he costs $30M+ year, what/who do you think we could get?

This recent stretch might keep his market value from dropping. So, 1-2 FRPs + matching salary, or 1 FRP and a solid prospect. Hard to imagine his value getting higher than this with his archetype.

I feel like Coby’s trade value conversation keeps neglecting to note that the receiving team will have to have cap space to extend him, just like the Bulls, making him a one-year rental for most teams. That contract situation is likely to significantly affect his trade market value.

[Dez]

No thanks. We can get that for cheaper down the line. Claxton is an expensive role player piece. Not a player we should be wasting money on now. We already have a bad contract in Williams and will likely be paying Giddey Coby 30 plus million apiece. No room for role players that would be minor upgrade making as much an our “stars”. Collins played good defense when he started. Not a rim protector, but he gets to right spots.

Claxton is guy a serious contender would go after to fill a hole kinda like. Kinda like Gafford in Dallas. Not a rebuilding team like the Bulls that won’t go into the luxury tax unless we are the brink of the finals. And why would the Nets trade him if he is so good and young on a team friendly deal? What are we giving up? Definitely not any picks or any players that we seriously value.

Saying Collins played good defense is a stretch, he wasn't Vucevic.

Claxton is far more than a minor upgrade.

The Bulls also shouldn't be paying Coby 30 million, that's going to bite them in the ass quite quickly.

Hopefully the Nets would be interested in something like Williams/Ayo for Claxton.

Out C rotation isn't great and Claxton is better than Collins and Smith.

Why would the Nets take an overpaid bust and an injured dude for Claxton? You can’t say a guy is really good on value deal and then expect a team to take trash for him.

Also if Coby plays like this all next season there is no way you can say he isn’t worth $30 million.

He makes less than Claxton and hope that a change of scenery helps him and they get Ayo who at worst is an expiring contract and a potential rotational piece.

If the Bulls want to build a championship team he's not.

[Infinity2152]

Claxton is not super productive, but he's very solid. His lack of range is a huge negative. His per 36 this year is 13 pts, 10 rbs, 3 assists, 2 blocks, 1.1 steals. His 3pt% is 16%. He's a good defender, but I think he could be more easily replaced than a Coby White. He's an athletic defensive big who can't shoot, pass or handle the ball much. Saying Coby can't be a starter on a championship team, why? If he was on Denver, OKC, Knicks, Lakers, Celtics right now replacing $30 mill worth of contracts, they couldn't contend? My bad, $12 mill, he still has another cheap year.

[WesPeace]

Claxton isnt huge difference maker compared to Smith and Collins.. I like him,but he aint it at the moment. Not a upgrade in bigger way and too expensive.

[Chi town]

I may be wrong on this, but adding a late 1st this draft looks interesting. Would Ayo get us there? ESPN has guys like Wolf and Broome there.

Beringer would be your guy at C but I think he gets drafted earlier. Probably 20th.

I think Ayo could get us a late 1st. Prob from the Nets they have like 4 1sts.

[Chi town]

Claxton isnt huge difference maker compared to Smith and Collins.. I like him,but he aint it at the moment. Not a upgrade in bigger way and too expensive.

Exactly. Big overpay.

I like Goga from Magic. He’d be an upgrade. Strong rim protector.

[Chi town]

Let's assume we'll have to sign a starting center summer 2026. Collins and Vucevic are both expiring. Top free agent centers summer 2026 are Ayton, Vucevic, Collins, Poetl, Porzingas. We already have 2 of the top 5 available centers.

Makes pushing for a S&T for Turner, Claxton or Reid make much more sense. Especially if we can use Vuc and/or Collins to make the trade, even if it's a three team trade. All of them are better than the FA centers in 2026, except Porzingas (injury risk and will get the highest contract)

I'm assuming we're drafting a guard/forward, so with Ball, Giddey, Coby, Matas, rookie, a great player at any position other than center will take minutes from one of our top young players.

We're better off just starting Smith. KP is the only one in that group that I would characterize as in the top 50% of starting C's. As for Turner, Claxton or Reid, Turner would be great, at the right price, but would likely put us over the tax (depending on how much Giddey and Coby cost). Claxton may be gettable, but that's because BKN may hate paying $25M/yr for a 10/8/1.5 guy, I'd only do it if they'd take Pat back in that deal. Reid is nice offensively, but I've never gotten the sense he's much of a rim protector.

A deal for Turner means Vuc and Collins are likely gone. That would happen before Coby's pay raise. There's no way we sign Turner, lose Vuc and Collins money off the books and have to go into the tax to re-sign Coby. Our only big contracts would be Giddey hopefully around $30 and Turner for that or less. We have two players with guaranteed money 2026, Pat Will at $18 mill and Jalen Snith at $9.4. Add 5.7 for Matas, maybe $5 mill for our rookie this year. Even with $30 mill each for Giddey and Turner, more than enough to re-sign Coby. Tax threshold is around $188 mill in 2026, right?

Naz Reid is just a beast. He hasn't gotten the exposure he could have because he's in Minny. Far more than Smith, Naz Reid has the athletic ability, shooting and most importantly drive and energy to be a top 5 center in my opinion. He's even a pretty good ball handler. He's fast, would work well in a running offense. This is from watching a fair amount of gameplay and other footage on Reid, like practice and interview footage. He's a legit tough center. And he's 25, he could anchor our defense for years. He's probably a better fit than Turner. Career average of 1.6 blocks and 1.1 steals per 36.

Reid def fits our offense but I don’t know about his D. He’s active but he’s not a real rim protector. IMO he’d be much like Smith.

We need a defensive anchor and lob threat at C. That would make our offense even more dangerous with a genius PG like Giddey and a team that can run after blocker steals and stops like us.

[Infinity2152]

We're better off just starting Smith. KP is the only one in that group that I would characterize as in the top 50% of starting C's. As for Turner, Claxton or Reid, Turner would be great, at the right price, but would likely put us over the tax (depending on how much Giddey and Coby cost). Claxton may be gettable, but that's because BKN may hate paying $25M/yr for a 10/8/1.5 guy, I'd only do it if they'd take Pat back in that deal. Reid is nice offensively, but I've never gotten the sense he's much of a rim protector.

A deal for Turner means Vuc and Collins are likely gone. That would happen before Coby's pay raise. There's no way we sign Turner, lose Vuc and Collins money off the books and have to go into the tax to re-sign Coby. Our only big contracts would be Giddey hopefully around $30 and Turner for that or less. We have two players with guaranteed money 2026, Pat Will at $18 mill and Jalen Snith at $9.4. Add 5.7 for Matas, maybe $5 mill for our rookie this year. Even with $30 mill each for Giddey and Turner, more than enough to re-sign Coby. Tax threshold is around $188 mill in 2026, right?

Naz Reid is just a beast. He hasn't gotten the exposure he could have because he's in Minny. Far more than Smith, Naz Reid has the athletic ability, shooting and most importantly drive and energy to be a top 5 center in my opinion. He's even a pretty good ball handler. He's fast, would work well in a running offense. This is from watching a fair amount of gameplay and other footage on Reid, like practice and interview footage. He's a legit tough center. And he's 25, he could anchor our defense for years. He's probably a better fit than Turner. Career average of 1.6 blocks and 1.1 steals per 36.

Reid def fits our offense but I don’t know about his D. He’s active but he’s not a real rim protector. IMO he’d be much like Smith.

We need a defensive anchor and lob threat at C. That would make our offense even more dangerous with a genius PG like Giddey and a team that can run after blocker steals and stops like us.

Then you don't want a center with range? There are hardly any centers with range that are top rim protectors. Like you said, Reid is active and with Matas next to him, I think we would be good. He's had two seasons with 2 blocks per 36 or more already. You get that Gafford/Claxton type, you gain the lob threat, but shrink your floor with a total non shooter. Plus Reid can catch lobs, he's athletic.

One of the reasons I like Turner, he's a rare shot blocker and shooter, but he's not a lob threat. You can't have everything unless you have Wemby, lmao!

[Chi town]

I understand the 5 out spacing but I think a lob threat actually puts way more pressure on the D.

Tre was killing teams attacking the rim. Rim pressure opens up the floor more than a 5th shooter IMO. It also helps when those 3s aren’t going down.

I think we need a shot blocker that deters players from even going towards the paint. That’s not Reid. I do like Reid as a fit. He’s a big upgrade over Vuc but I think you’d need a young rim protector to back him up.

[2weekswithpay]

I understand the 5 out spacing but I think a lob threat actually puts way more pressure on the D.

Tre was killing teams attacking the rim. Rim pressure opens up the floor more than a 5th shooter IMO. It also helps when those 3s aren’t going down.

I think we need a shot blocker that deters players from even going towards the paint. That’s not Reid. I do like Reid as a fit. He’s a big upgrade over Vuc but I think you’d need a young rim protector to back him up.

It's different, and you have to be a bit more creative but you don't need a floor spacing big to run a 5-out offense or sets.

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