Building around Coby-Giddey-Matas

jump · Post #41 » by **jump** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 6:39 pm

I'd like to see us add a strong defensive C, and a 3nD wing, with emphasis on the D. If this team can play lock down defense when they need to, I think we'll be a top notch contender very soon.

Keep Heurter, Jones, Collins, Smith, Lonzo. Figure out how to pay them all.

kodo · Post #42 » by **kodo** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 6:51 pm

There's almost no better wing defender in the league than Alex Caruso, and our D was still one of the lowest (21st) in the league with him. Like LA did, the offense picks who defends on every possession and they'll pick Vuc every time if they're taking us seriously. You can have 4 Carusos & 1 Vuc, and LA can still attack Vuc on every trip.

This is why the C always matter much more than any other position for D.

jump · Post #43 » by **jump** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 8:56 pm

Agreed. We need a younger Caruso, with better 3 pt shooting. It matters. But the shot altering C is key. He needs at least an average 3pt shot.

WindyCityBorn · Post #44 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 9:03 pm

We need an elite 3 and D wing and an elite defensive rimming running C. Buzelis projects as an elite defender. Giddey and Coby project average at best on ball. So we need rest of the starters to kind of make up for that.

WindyCityBorn · Post #45 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 9:04 pm

kodo wrote:There's almost no better wing defender in the league than Alex Caruso, and our D was still one of the lowest (21st) in the league with him. Like LA did, the offense picks who defends on every possession and they'll pick Vuc every time if they're taking us seriously. You can have 4 Carusos & 1 Vuc, and LA can still attack Vuc on every trip.

This is why the C always matter much more than any other position for D.

Elite defensive center is a must.

NecessaryEvil · Post #46 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 9:14 pm

I always looked at Giddey in the Lebron/SF/point forward type role but if he indeed is going forward as the PG, yeah we'd need the wing. I still like Lonzo in the line-up right now next to Coby & Josh (well, healthy Zo)

MissileMike · Post #47 » by **MissileMike** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 9:26 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:I always looked at Giddey in the Lebron/SF/point forward type role but if he indeed is going forward as the PG, yeah we'd need the wing. I still like Lonzo in the line-up right now next to Coby & Josh (well, healthy Zo)

And a Zo who hits his threes. That part of his game has been very slow to come back. Huerter has been pretty good in this role, and he's under contract next year. Hard to believe he's only 26.

Repeat 3-peat · Post #48 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 11:43 pm

*prepare for the Sabonis trade*

NecessaryEvil · Post #49 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 1:41 am

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WindyCityBorn · Post #50 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:20 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:

Read on Twitter

Who is that? Random blogger or connected person?

thxfrthmmrs · Post #51 » by **thxfrthmmrs** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:36 am

In order for Bulls to become a top team in the East Giddy/Coby needs to play at 90% of the level they’re playing this month and Matas needs to be a 17-18 ppg scorer with solid efficiency and bring versatility on defense. This is probably still more realistic than them landing a star player via trade or FA.

If those 3 can lead the way, we do have some pretty solid perimeter players in place in some form of Ball/Ayo/Huerter/Jones/Phillips/DT to complete those guys. A defensive big with their 1st would certainly help anchor the interior D.

NecessaryEvil · Post #52 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:02 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:

Read on Twitter

Who is that? Random blogger or connected person?

Random but he’s quoting Cowley from somewhere

NecessaryEvil · Post #53 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:08 am

thxfrthmmrs wrote:In order for Bulls to become a top team in the East Giddy/Coby needs to play at 90% of the level they’re playing this month and Matas needs to be a 17-18 ppg scorer with solid efficiency and bring versatility on defense. This is probably still more realistic than them landing a star player via trade or FA.

If those 3 can lead the way, we do have some pretty solid perimeter players in place in some form of Ball/Ayo/Huerter/Jones/Phillips/DT to complete those guys. A defensive big with their 1st would certainly help anchor the interior D.

I like this team alot. Move on from Vooch & Javon Carter and the rebuild is pretty much complete. The 25 and 26 frp’s are key. I can safely say I’m back to being a full time Bulls after taking the last couple seasons off. This is a direction I can be happy about as a fan. We don’t have a #1 pick or a generational guy but that doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy the show.

My bullcott is over.

WindyCityBorn · Post #54 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:26 am

thxfrthmmrs wrote:In order for Bulls to become a top team in the East Giddy/Coby needs to play at 90% of the level they’re playing this month and Matas needs to be a 17-18 ppg scorer with solid efficiency and bring versatility on defense. This is probably still more realistic than them landing a star player via trade or FA.

If those 3 can lead the way, we do have some pretty solid perimeter players in place in some form of Ball/Ayo/Huerter/Jones/Phillips/DT to complete those guys. A defensive big with their 1st would certainly help anchor the interior D.

I think it is possible. I can see Coby scoring 24 ppg next season. I can Giddey averaging 19/8/8 next season. I don’t think Buzelis making a leap to 16 ppg next season. That’s probably year 3. But I do think we have enough good depth that a 3rd guy will step on a nightly basis like they have been doing so far post all-star break. And that’s why I think we really need to keep Tre Jones if we are trying to win next season. He is our true backup PG. Not Lonzo Ball.

Chi town · Post #55 » by **Chi town** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:40 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
thxfrthmmrs wrote:In order for Bulls to become a top team in the East Giddy/Coby needs to play at 90% of the level they’re playing this month and Matas needs to be a 17-18 ppg scorer with solid efficiency and bring versatility on defense. This is probably still more realistic than them landing a star player via trade or FA.

If those 3 can lead the way, we do have some pretty solid perimeter players in place in some form of Ball/Ayo/Huerter/Jones/Phillips/DT to complete those guys. A defensive big with their 1st would certainly help anchor the interior D.

I think it is possible. I can see Coby scoring 24 ppg next season. I can Giddey averaging 19/8/8 next season. I don’t think Buzelis making a leap to 16 ppg next season. That’s probably year 3. But I do think we have enough good depth that a 3rd guy will step on a nightly basis like they have been doing so far post all-star break. And that’s why I think we really need to keep Tre Jones if we are trying to win next season. He is our true backup PG. Not Lonzo Ball.

Buz is avg 12ppg since ASB. I think he can get to 15-16 next season.

Totally agree about Tre Jones.
Ayo probably stays because Zo will be hurt.

bullskokie · Post #56 » by **bullskokie** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:56 am

Lets get real. The way Pat played the last 3-4 games suggest he is also coming out. We would be scary good to have a young Kawhi in Pat!

WesPeace · Post #57 » by **WesPeace** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:46 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:

Read on Twitter

Who is that? Random blogger or connected person?

Someone who made many very stupid trade proposals in the past.. never took that dude seriously

WesPeace · Post #58 » by **WesPeace** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:49 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
thxfrthmmrs wrote:In order for Bulls to become a top team in the East Giddy/Coby needs to play at 90% of the level they’re playing this month and Matas needs to be a 17-18 ppg scorer with solid efficiency and bring versatility on defense. This is probably still more realistic than them landing a star player via trade or FA.

If those 3 can lead the way, we do have some pretty solid perimeter players in place in some form of Ball/Ayo/Huerter/Jones/Phillips/DT to complete those guys. A defensive big with their 1st would certainly help anchor the interior D.

I think it is possible. I can see Coby scoring 24 ppg next season. I can Giddey averaging 19/8/8 next season. I don’t think Buzelis making a leap to 16 ppg next season. That’s probably year 3. But I do think we have enough good depth that a 3rd guy will step on a nightly basis like they have been doing so far post all-star break. And that’s why I think we really need to keep Tre Jones if we are trying to win next season. He is our true backup PG. Not Lonzo Ball.

Yea, Jones need to be re-signed, 9M per, 2 yrs could be done.. we need a PG like him in backup role, because I doubt we will ever see Lonzo play more than 55-60 games in a season ever again,if even that..

Post #59 » by **DuckIII** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 1:54 pm

bullskokie wrote:Lets get real. The way Pat played the last 3-4 games suggest he is also coming out. We would be scary good to have a young Kawhi in Pat!

Please don’t do that. I’m begging you.

Post #60 » by **DuckIII** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:16 pm

I haven’t read through the entire thread yet. I’m going to assume the majority opinion is we need to surround Giddey, Coby and Matas with speed, shooting and defense. Especially interior defense.

And I agree with all that.

But I’m also going to suggest something potentially really stupid if we keep falling down draft boards and he doesn’t rise (though I bet he does): Egor Demin.

He has no 3, no D, and is currently a twig. He’s also somewhat redundant of Ball and Giddey in the sense that his greatest attributes are being positionally very tall with outrageous passing ability and feel for offense.

But I also believe he could be a very high ceiling get later in the first round. And I think it would be interesting to see what it looks like when you have 3 of the most naturally gifted passers in the NBA all on the same team (which Demin will be in time).

(I also believe his 3 ball will be a positive trait in time, just like I did/do with Matas.)

Could be a lot of fun and I’m an advocate of trying unique things with personnel when the opportunity arises. Many ways to succeed at basketball.

That said, he is obviously an incredibly poor “need” fit for those hoping to win as many games as possible next year.