Play-In Bulls vs Heat 6:30pm CT Apr. 16 2025

[kodo]

Isn't this the 3rd time bulls have faced the heat on the play-in? Can't escape them it seems.

Edit:
2024 Bulls lost to Heat in 2nd game
2023 Bulls lost to Heat in 2nd game

First time in game 1 of the Play In though...

10th seed has won only once in play-in history, and that 10th seed was OKC.

Although we might be an exception because we're the only team I can remember that plays much better Away than Home.

[jnrjr79]

Isn't this the 3rd time bulls have faced the heat on the play-in? Can't escape them it seems.

Edit:
2024 Bulls lost to Heat in 2nd game
2023 Bulls lost to Heat in 2nd game

First time in game 1 of the Play In though...

10th seed has won only once in play-in history, and that 10th seed was OKC.

Although we might be an exception because we're the only team I can remember that plays much better Away than Home.

[deleted - I misunderstood your post]

[DASMACKDOWN]

I am good with whatever happens this game or any games.

Sure I will be a little disappointed if we drop the first or second game.

But I feel 100% differently about the team now versus the same point last year.

[MrSparkle]

I’ll never underestimate the sour feeling of losing an important game. This is what the game’s about: winning win the stakes are higher than a reg. season game.

If Giddey, Coby, and Matas **** the bed in any of the play-in games, I think the whole board will be frustrated. I’ll add that I have realistic expectations (esp. for Matas). The main things that can go wrong:

- Coby clanks and plays his worst

- Billy decides to ice Zach Collins until it’s too late (which would be a problem unless Vuc plays his absolute best)

- Giddey’s wrist hampers his game, or he just lays an egg

Anyway, hoping for a good game.

[Infinity2152]

It's time to pump the breaks. You know what could be the worst outcome? Giddey, Coby and Matas are GREAT. They get to the 8th seed, and Giddey is more outstanding than he's ever been. Coby's on fire, Vuc is on fire. They make it 6 games. Win or lose, we're ecstatic. High wears off. Time to talk to Giddey. He's averaged 24 pts, 12 rbs, 11 assists thru the playoffs. H. e says, "Um, you know that $30 mill we were talking about. I'm thinking like........max?" Coby slides in behind him, "While you're talking, I'm not even asking that much" (Just averaged 28pt, 5 assists, 2 steals on 50% three point shooting) $30-$40 would be cool. " And we're out of the draft lottery.

Coby, Giddey and Matas will be the same great guys they are to start the season, whether or not they ball out right now. Money and lottery chances would be hugely impacted if they ball out right now.

And honestly, for young guys, I think making the play-in IS making the playoffs. They weren't supposed to be here.

[r1terrell23]

It's time to pump the breaks. You know what could be the worst outcome? Giddey, Coby and Matas are GREAT. They get to the 8th seed, and Giddey is more outstanding than he's ever been. Coby's on fire, Vuc is on fire. They make it 6 games. Win or lose, we're ecstatic. High wears off. Time to talk to Giddey. He's averaged 24 pts, 12 rbs, 11 assists thru the playoffs. H. e says, "Um, you know that $30 mill we were talking about. I'm thinking like........max?" Coby slides in behind him, "While you're talking, I'm not even asking that much" (Just averaged 28pt, 5 assists, 2 steals on 50% three point shooting) $30-$40 would be cool. " And we're out of the draft lottery.

Coby, Giddey and Matas will be the same great guys they are to start the season, whether or not they ball out right now. Money and lottery chances would be hugely impacted if they ball out right now.

And honestly, for young guys, I think making the play-in IS making the playoffs. They weren't supposed to be here.

Isn't Giddey's salary capped?

[Infinity2152]

It's time to pump the breaks. You know what could be the worst outcome? Giddey, Coby and Matas are GREAT. They get to the 8th seed, and Giddey is more outstanding than he's ever been. Coby's on fire, Vuc is on fire. They make it 6 games. Win or lose, we're ecstatic. High wears off. Time to talk to Giddey. He's averaged 24 pts, 12 rbs, 11 assists thru the playoffs. H. e says, "Um, you know that $30 mill we were talking about. I'm thinking like........max?" Coby slides in behind him, "While you're talking, I'm not even asking that much" (Just averaged 28pt, 5 assists, 2 steals on 50% three point shooting) $30-$40 would be cool. " And we're out of the draft lottery.

Coby, Giddey and Matas will be the same great guys they are to start the season, whether or not they ball out right now. Money and lottery chances would be hugely impacted if they ball out right now.

And honestly, for young guys, I think making the play-in IS making the playoffs. They weren't supposed to be here.

Isn't Giddey's salary capped?

6 years or less, I think he's capped at $38.7 mill for next season with 8% increases if he stays here. More than people are already complaining about, lol. We'd almost certainly match up to that, and another team could only offer 4 yrs and 5% raises, but it's also not so much Brooklyn might not slide in with an offer, force us to match.

That fifth year we could offer, a lot of people wouldn't want it, I would. He's 23. If he's worth $30 mill in today's cap, odds are high he'll be better and worth much more than $30 mill in year 5 at 27 with a larger cap.

He seems to want to be here and I'm sure he wants that fifth guaranteed year. I'd probably open at 5 yrs/$125 and negotiate from there till we get where we need to. We have leverage, but you don't want to get a reputation for screwing your players over either.

[drosestruts]

It's time to pump the breaks. You know what could be the worst outcome? Giddey, Coby and Matas are GREAT. They get to the 8th seed, and Giddey is more outstanding than he's ever been. Coby's on fire, Vuc is on fire. They make it 6 games. Win or lose, we're ecstatic. High wears off. Time to talk to Giddey. He's averaged 24 pts, 12 rbs, 11 assists thru the playoffs. H. e says, "Um, you know that $30 mill we were talking about. I'm thinking like........max?" Coby slides in behind him, "While you're talking, I'm not even asking that much" (Just averaged 28pt, 5 assists, 2 steals on 50% three point shooting) $30-$40 would be cool. " And we're out of the draft lottery.

Coby, Giddey and Matas will be the same great guys they are to start the season, whether or not they ball out right now. Money and lottery chances would be hugely impacted if they ball out right now.

And honestly, for young guys, I think making the play-in IS making the playoffs. They weren't supposed to be here.

Your worst-case scenario is our young players playing well and winning?

[drosestruts]

:wink:

Lol I know you think they have two superstars. They don’t. I’m not convinced they have one.

Young is harder to defend than either of them.

The same Young the Bulls held to 22 points on 4-12 shooting and 6 turnovers in last years Play In?

No Ayo or Caruso now. Ayo in particular generally did a great job guarding him. We’ll see if Coby is up to it.

I think this is actually pretty interesting conversation, and interesting to see where people fall on it.

I too think Trae young is better and more dangerous than either Banchero or Wagner.

I'm not sure when 24 points and 11.6 assists per game became something to turn ones nose up at. Yes Trae's effeciency (57% TS) could better, but it's better than Banchero's (55% TS%) and Wagners (56%).

Trae can carve up your defense by scoring, getting his teammates easy buckets, and fouling out your players.

[Jcool0]

It's time to pump the breaks. You know what could be the worst outcome? Giddey, Coby and Matas are GREAT. They get to the 8th seed, and Giddey is more outstanding than he's ever been. Coby's on fire, Vuc is on fire. They make it 6 games. Win or lose, we're ecstatic. High wears off. Time to talk to Giddey. He's averaged 24 pts, 12 rbs, 11 assists thru the playoffs. H. e says, "Um, you know that $30 mill we were talking about. I'm thinking like........max?" Coby slides in behind him, "While you're talking, I'm not even asking that much" (Just averaged 28pt, 5 assists, 2 steals on 50% three point shooting) $30-$40 would be cool. " And we're out of the draft lottery.

Coby, Giddey and Matas will be the same great guys they are to start the season, whether or not they ball out right now. Money and lottery chances would be hugely impacted if they ball out right now.

And honestly, for young guys, I think making the play-in IS making the playoffs. They weren't supposed to be here.

Your worst-case scenario is our young players playing well and winning?

Um losing is 6 games is the same as losing in 4. They are out of the playoffs. Then you have Coby and Giddey as your big signings and are filling out the edges. Unless Matas makes a Franz Wagner jump that isn't close to contending.

[drosestruts]

It's time to pump the breaks. You know what could be the worst outcome? Giddey, Coby and Matas are GREAT. They get to the 8th seed, and Giddey is more outstanding than he's ever been. Coby's on fire, Vuc is on fire. They make it 6 games. Win or lose, we're ecstatic. High wears off. Time to talk to Giddey. He's averaged 24 pts, 12 rbs, 11 assists thru the playoffs. H. e says, "Um, you know that $30 mill we were talking about. I'm thinking like........max?" Coby slides in behind him, "While you're talking, I'm not even asking that much" (Just averaged 28pt, 5 assists, 2 steals on 50% three point shooting) $30-$40 would be cool. " And we're out of the draft lottery.

Coby, Giddey and Matas will be the same great guys they are to start the season, whether or not they ball out right now. Money and lottery chances would be hugely impacted if they ball out right now.

And honestly, for young guys, I think making the play-in IS making the playoffs. They weren't supposed to be here.

Your worst-case scenario is our young players playing well and winning?

Um losing is 6 games is the same as losing in 4. They are out of the playoffs. Then you have Coby and Giddey as your big signings and are filling out the edges. Unless Matas makes a Franz Wagner jump that isn't close to contending.

They did say "series goes 6 games. win or lose." then went on to complain about paying our players.

In the proposed scenario I quoted we could win in the 1st round, Giddey could average a triple double, we sign him long term, and this has been labelled a bad thing.

[Jcool0]

:wink:

Lol I know you think they have two superstars. They don’t. I’m not convinced they have one.

Young is harder to defend than either of them.

The same Young the Bulls held to 22 points on 4-12 shooting and 6 turnovers in last years Play In?

No Ayo or Caruso now. Ayo in particular generally did a great job guarding him. We’ll see if Coby is up to it.

From GB:

Trae in serious games/series:

8-21 FG vs Magic, ejected, loss 2025
4-12 vs Bulls, eliminated, 2024 playin ( plus minus of - 27, worst on a team)
8-18 (1-8 for 3) , win vs Heat. 29 ppg on 52% TS vs Celtics in 2023
8-24 (1-7 for 3) vs Hornets in playin 2022 (round1) , 13-25 FG vs Cavs (round ), followed by soul crushing 15 ppg on 46% TS vs Heat in 5 games


Aside from 2021 run where he thrived on being irritating troll vs Knicks & 76ers beating themself, Trae pretty much always was nothing but crappy efficiency, sky high usage and fishing for fouls that often refs in playoffs don't call type of player.

And it's a given that every good team will hunt him on defense and expose his lack of length, lack of awareness as he is one of worst defenders nba has. Both clueless and incapable.

Overall he is opposite of floor raiser. Puts ceiling on your team, kills your defense and isn't good enough on offense to justify usage.

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[Infinity2152]

It's time to pump the breaks. You know what could be the worst outcome? Giddey, Coby and Matas are GREAT. They get to the 8th seed, and Giddey is more outstanding than he's ever been. Coby's on fire, Vuc is on fire. They make it 6 games. Win or lose, we're ecstatic. High wears off. Time to talk to Giddey. He's averaged 24 pts, 12 rbs, 11 assists thru the playoffs. H. e says, "Um, you know that $30 mill we were talking about. I'm thinking like........max?" Coby slides in behind him, "While you're talking, I'm not even asking that much" (Just averaged 28pt, 5 assists, 2 steals on 50% three point shooting) $30-$40 would be cool. " And we're out of the draft lottery.

Coby, Giddey and Matas will be the same great guys they are to start the season, whether or not they ball out right now. Money and lottery chances would be hugely impacted if they ball out right now.

And honestly, for young guys, I think making the play-in IS making the playoffs. They weren't supposed to be here.

Your worst-case scenario is our young players playing well and winning?

Um losing is 6 games is the same as losing in 4. They are out of the playoffs. Then you have Coby and Giddey as your big signings and are filling out the edges. Unless Matas makes a Franz Wagner jump that isn't close to contending.

Don't consider $30 million dollar contracts the going rate for number 1 players. There's this constant implication that the player we sign for $30 mill in free agency is going to be a number 1. max contracts now are $50-60 mill. You're never signing a clear number 1 in free agency for $30 mill. You still need number 2's and 3's. Without them, what are you sending out when you're trying to trade for that star? Personally wish the best for all of them. For the Bulls pockets and our team management, it's important to re-sign both as affordably as possible. Giddey plays well and we end up paying him that $38 mill a year, I'm still happy for him.

We don't have a ton of cap space now. We will next summer. That's when we target the number 1 player, when we have maximum power and flexibility.

Trying to be kind. I really do want the best for them. I also want a lottery pick. Don't care where it is. Of course I'll root for them to win. Giddey may not play, Ball is doubtful, and Tre Jones is out. Vucevic is doubtful. Williams is doubtful. I think these guys did great to get here.

[kodo]

If we get past Miami, Atlanta looks very beatable. Not sure how we lost to their bench while we were fully healthy.

[gf2020hotmail]

Styles make fights.

Atlanta presents a deadly pick and roll game with Trae and Capela. Then you have elite wing defenders like Daniels and Johnson.. these guys could limit our offense by limiting Giddey. Then of course, Niang and Levert.. historically Bulls killers all their careers. !

Dude elite wing defender Jalen Johnson has been out since freaking January. I am not too worried about him. Capela? Also out. What an odd level of confidence in an opinion missing such critical information.

[Muzbar]

Styles make fights.

Atlanta presents a deadly pick and roll game with Trae and Capela. Then you have elite wing defenders like Daniels and Johnson.. these guys could limit our offense by limiting Giddey. Then of course, Niang and Levert.. historically Bulls killers all their careers.

Have you been living under a rock?

Capela hasn't played since mid May and Johnson hasn't played since January.

I'm not worried about Trae Young and his lack of size and defense.

[kodo]

ATL's 2nd best player is Risacher now and as a rookie he's just not going to be reliable in pressure situations, as we saw in the play-in game.

[Ice Man]

I fully expect a win. Maybe not even a close one.

[Indomitable]

The same Young the Bulls held to 22 points on 4-12 shooting and 6 turnovers in last years Play In?

No Ayo or Caruso now. Ayo in particular generally did a great job guarding him. We’ll see if Coby is up to it.

I think this is actually pretty interesting conversation, and interesting to see where people fall on it.

I too think Trae young is better and more dangerous than either Banchero or Wagner.

I'm not sure when 24 points and 11.6 assists per game became something to turn ones nose up at. Yes Trae's effeciency (57% TS) could better, but it's better than Banchero's (55% TS%) and Wagners (56%).

Trae can carve up your defense by scoring, getting his teammates easy buckets, and fouling out your players.

Trae is a truly horrible defender and will always lose because of it.

He has a lot of tricks but there is he stinks on defense.

He is bad on defense
He is a crappy rebounder
He does not draw charges
He does not get steals.

[Indomitable]

Styles make fights.

Atlanta presents a deadly pick and roll game with Trae and Capela. Then you have elite wing defenders like Daniels and Johnson.. these guys could limit our offense by limiting Giddey. Then of course, Niang and Levert.. historically Bulls killers all their careers.

Have you been living under a rock?

Capela hasn't played since mid May and Johnson hasn't played since January.

I'm not worried about Trae Young and his lack of size and defense.

Why it is his greatest shortcoming?

Good teams with 5 legit scorers will destroy you.
He got Harris going with his crappy defense
Then got switched onto Anthony.