Donovan in comparison

[Jcool0]

I think the Williams entitlement minutes is probably the only critique I see of Billy that I think has some validity to it.

Otherwise, he's taken crappy rosters and squeezed a few more wins out of them than one would expect. No coach would be able to take the players Billy has been given and achieve meaningfully better results.

I find the focus on Billy, as opposed to the myriad other issues with this franchise, to be fairly baffling.

You don't ignore 1 problem because you have another one. I disagree that he has squeezed any wins out. Had he done that we would have watched more playoff games.

The Bulls won several more games this season than Vegas odds projected. If you think the Bulls have had a "playoff wins" quality roster during Donovan's tenure, I don't know what to tell you.

I wouldn't put meaningless wins against teams tanking as proof Billy is a decent coach.

[jnrjr79]

You don't ignore 1 problem because you have another one. I disagree that he has squeezed any wins out. Had he done that we would have watched more playoff games.

The Bulls won several more games this season than Vegas odds projected. If you think the Bulls have had a "playoff wins" quality roster during Donovan's tenure, I don't know what to tell you.

I wouldn't put meaningless wins against teams tanking as proof Billy is a decent coach.

I see this point repeatedly, but it doesn't make any sense. Vegas odds will always take into account that there will be tanking teams in the NBA that will provide easy wins. It's built into those predictions before the season starts.

[Jcool0]

The Bulls won several more games this season than Vegas odds projected. If you think the Bulls have had a "playoff wins" quality roster during Donovan's tenure, I don't know what to tell you.

I wouldn't put meaningless wins against teams tanking as proof Billy is a decent coach.

I see this point repeatedly, but it doesn't make any sense. Vegas odds will always take into account that there will be tanking teams in the NBA that will provide easy wins. It's built into those predictions before the season starts.

Vegas took into account that 76ers would lose Embiid for the year and lose 19 of the last 22 games? Including a 122-102 loss to the Bulls to end the year.

[2weekswithpay]

FWIW, Donovan is 2nd in RAPM for current coaches. Not sure what to make of this, but interesting to see.

[jnrjr79]

I wouldn't put meaningless wins against teams tanking as proof Billy is a decent coach.

I see this point repeatedly, but it doesn't make any sense. Vegas odds will always take into account that there will be tanking teams in the NBA that will provide easy wins. It's built into those predictions before the season starts.

Vegas took into account that 76ers would lose Embiid for the year and lose 19 of the last 22 games? Including a 122-102 loss to the Bulls to end the year.

Yes, obviously Vegas takes into account this stuff in the 10,000-foot level, rather than the granular level, but "some teams are going to have injury problems and pivot to tanking" is built into the whole thing.

[Ben Wilson25]

Would it surprise anyone to learn that our own Coach William Jehosaphat Donovan has the third longest coaching tenure in the league, after only Spoelstra and Kerr?

I'm sure that's been mentioned multiple times here, but wow. The guy was hired six months after Rudy Gobert gave the world Covid. NBA coaching, ladies and gentlemen.

I wanted so badly for that to actually be his middle name.

Maybe you’d be excited to learn that John Paxson’s middle name is MacBeth. Seriously.

[Jcool0]

I see this point repeatedly, but it doesn't make any sense. Vegas odds will always take into account that there will be tanking teams in the NBA that will provide easy wins. It's built into those predictions before the season starts.

Vegas took into account that 76ers would lose Embiid for the year and lose 19 of the last 22 games? Including a 122-102 loss to the Bulls to end the year.

Yes, obviously Vegas takes into account this stuff in the 10,000-foot level, rather than the granular level, but "some teams are going to have injury problems and pivot to tanking" is built into the whole thing.

I know Vegas does this for a living and makes billions. But you aren't going to convince me they had it baked in that the Bulls would be the 5th worst team in the league and end the season winning 15 of the last 22 games when over half the teams they play were looking to lose. Billy isn't the biggest issue on this team but he also isn't Erik Spoelstra and gets to ride out the down years. They should of moved on from him by now.