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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#41 » by Tetlak » Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:54 pm

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NecessaryEvil wrote:Green will probably be attached to Beal to get rid of him


Beal should walk around wearing a "no trade clause" t-shirt. I don't even know if it's legal to John Wall a player under the league's CBA.


Matching that combined salary is impossible + Beal NTC + Jalen Green sucks and is a negative value, neutral at best.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#42 » by MrSparkle » Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:54 pm

Horrible trade if you consider what PHX gave up and ended up with… but like the Zach trade, it you forget about the sunk cost, Suns got a good return for a 37yo expiring FA. The #10 pick has good potential (Kasparas, Queen, Bryant, etc.), Brooks’ nonsense does help teams compete, and Jalen is a half-decent young piece.

Good trade for Rockets too. Dumped their 2 frothiest contracts and a FRP salary who wasn’t gonna play or contribute much.

I don’t know how eager the Suns are to change course, but Bulls could be a theoretical partner now.

Beal, #29 for Collins, PWill, Jevon, Terry
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#43 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:17 pm

Don’t like it for HOU.

If Suns play their cards right they could be a playoff team next year.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#44 » by Repeat 3-peat » Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:24 pm

I have zero care for Jalen Green. I would take Brooks though, but doubt Suns move him, and idk how much it would cost if they did.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#45 » by MGB8 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:27 pm

DuckIII wrote:Durant traded to Houston includes a return of the #10 pick. No way KJ falls to us now. He'll be perfect for the Suns if he makes it that far.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45561747/sources-suns-trading-kevin-durant-rockets-blockbuster-deal

The Phoenix Suns have agreed on a blockbuster trade, sending 15-time NBA All-Star Kevin Durant to the Houston Rockets for Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, the No. 10 pick in the draft and five second-round picks, sources told ESPN on Sunday.


Time to change my mock draft.


Phoenix needs forwards and a center. Brooks covers one spot, but they need 2 with Durant gone, plus it isn’t like Brooks is young. I wouldn’t think KJ to the Suns is a lock, particularly since Booker and Beal are similar-role perimeter oriented combo guards.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#46 » by Muzbar » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:02 pm

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For what, is the price. If Coby White is in trade package, then yes please.

Lol what? Coby is the superior basketball player, he's more efficient and a better playmaker.

Jalen Green can jump higher.

That'd be a terrible swap.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#47 » by Dez » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:10 pm

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CROBulls wrote:37 year old, 50M Kevin Durant Phoenix Suns got a haul and we got garbage for Zach Lavine in his prime years. Living in era of greatest GM ever in Chicago.

Packages were kind of similar, which is crazy considering KD is a champion and HOF.
Bulls got a #12.
Suns got a #10.

I'm not a huge Jalen Green fan, so I think the player package of Green vs Huerter/Collins/Tre is a bit better for Phoenix but not massively better.
The 2nds are probably going to be irrelevant unless they can move a ton of them for a first.

I guess how awesome of a deal this is for PHO hinges a lot on if one thinks Green's a star...I think he's another Zach Lavine and maybe not even.

Ill take one Jalen Green over any Huerter/Collins/Tre combo. Giddey/Green/Matas is rebuild done on fly. You might as well keep Coby on bench role. With #12 find decent center to protect rim and be done. Bulls can only dream finding talent similar to Jalen Green at #12.


Jalen Green is overpaid garbage.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#48 » by Muzbar » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:12 pm

I guess the Suns want all the SGs.

Beal, Booker and now Green...
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#49 » by Dez » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:38 pm

Chi town wrote:Don’t like it for HOU.

If Suns play their cards right they could be a playoff team next year.


They won't sniff the playoffs, how can you believe that?
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#50 » by Infinity2152 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:53 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Horrible trade if you consider what PHX gave up and ended up with… but like the Zach trade, it you forget about the sunk cost, Suns got a good return for a 37yo expiring FA. The #10 pick has good potential (Kasparas, Queen, Bryant, etc.), Brooks’ nonsense does help teams compete, and Jalen is a half-decent young piece.

Good trade for Rockets too. Dumped their 2 frothiest contracts and a FRP salary who wasn’t gonna play or contribute much.

I don’t know how eager the Suns are to change course, but Bulls could be a theoretical partner now.

Beal, #29 for Collins, PWill, Jevon, Terry


Beal already rejected a trade to Chicago at the deadline. They'd definitely need to send more draft capital in that deal anyway, pick #29 isn't worth much alone. But from Beal's side, seems like it's off the table.

If I'm the Suns, I'd try like hell to send Jalen Green to the Nets for pick 19 and pick 27. Then trade one of those to another team for a future first. Save a ton of money, clear the logjam, and don't spend assets to get rid of Beal.

For the Nets, Jalen Green is most likely way better than what they get at 19 or 27. He should be a reasonably valuable tradeable asset.

Who would and could take Beal that he would agree to go to?
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#51 » by kulaz3000 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:07 pm

Muzbar wrote:I guess the Suns want all the SGs.

Beal, Booker and now Green...


Apparently if they can't trade Beal, they will just buy him out.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#52 » by Infinity2152 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:12 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:
Muzbar wrote:I guess the Suns want all the SGs.

Beal, Booker and now Green...


Apparently if they can't trade Beal, they will just buy him out.


Saw that too. If it doesn't happen before the draft, they won't be able to include pick 10 to get rid of Beal. Going to be very hard with few good picks. They'll have to give up all the picks they got the last year and Beal's a $60 mill expiring next year.

What do they really gain buying him out? He has no reason to take much of a discount. Vet min would be about $4 mill from another team, so he's not likely to take more than a $8 mill cut on a $110 mill deal. If they waive him and stretch him at $110 mill, that about $22 mill dead money on their books for the next 5 years. They already don't have their draft picks, lol.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#53 » by sco » Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:36 pm

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kulaz3000 wrote:
Muzbar wrote:I guess the Suns want all the SGs.

Beal, Booker and now Green...


Apparently if they can't trade Beal, they will just buy him out.


Saw that too. If it doesn't happen before the draft, they won't be able to include pick 10 to get rid of Beal. Going to be very hard with few good picks. They'll have to give up all the picks they got the last year and Beal's a $60 mill expiring next year.

What do they really gain buying him out? He has no reason to take much of a discount. Vet min would be about $4 mill from another team, so he's not likely to take more than a $8 mill cut on a $110 mill deal. If they waive him and stretch him at $110 mill, that about $22 mill dead money on their books for the next 5 years. They already don't have their draft picks, lol.

I think the right move is just to tell Beal not to bother coming to the facility. They'll keep paying him. He may soften his stance on blocking teams.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#54 » by rosenthall » Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:22 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Houston stole him. The best asset going back is #10. They had tons of depth behind Brooks and Green is one mediocre season from cementing himself as a bad contract.

Even factoring in KD’s age, contract and injury risk, getting him without giving up future firsts or needed rotation pieces is pretty sick.


Honestly, I'm surprised Phoenix got as much for him as they did.

I get it, it's not a haul, but they had no leverage and I wouldn't expect the trade market to be frothy for someone of Durant's age and contract status.

It doesn't undo the damage that's already been done to the franchise with their boneheaded moves, but that's just sunk cost at this point.

Usually when teams are screwed, they don't have a choice but to make a mediocre trade that breaks down their big pieces into smaller ones, and each asset they got back has independent trade value. I agree with the earlier poster who mentioned that it's a bit like the Zach trade, but more lucrative since Durant is a much superior player.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#55 » by stepic » Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:51 am

Chi town wrote:Don’t like it for HOU.

If Suns play their cards right they could be a playoff team next year.


What cards are those?

No chance they make the playoffs next year
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#56 » by NocioniHomie » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:47 am

Huerter fits really well on that Rockets team now. A package built around him to acquire future draft capital or one of their young prospects.

If they're swinging big then Coby definitely makes sense. Without #10 no longer there, packages are less interesting - as much as I like Jabari Smith
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#57 » by Dan Z » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:52 am

Muzbar wrote:I guess the Suns want all the SGs.

Beal, Booker and now Green...


You forgot Grayson Allen.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#58 » by Dominator83 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:17 am

kodo wrote:
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CROBulls wrote:For what, is the price. If Coby White is in trade package, then yes please.

Coby and Vuc for Green? I would have to think if I'd include Por 1st. The only reason I consider it is that I know Coby can't defend and I just think Green can't/won't.


Are we talking about the same Jalen Green who is as efficient a scorer as Russell Westbrook but without the assists or rebounds or hustle?
Coby at 60% is on the upper end.

From a basketball standpoint a Coby for Green swap would be pretty horrible even without a 1st thrown in. If on the Bulls, Green would be one of our worst scorers on the team fitting in between Dalen Terry and Lonzo Ball.


Yea i don't understand this at all. Like, at all. I'll say it again, people here felt that Zach was overpaid and couldn't wait to move off that contract......but now they want Jalen Green??!!! Jalen Green is a poor man's Zach.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#59 » by Chi town » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:17 am

Dez wrote:
Chi town wrote:Don’t like it for HOU.

If Suns play their cards right they could be a playoff team next year.


They won't sniff the playoffs, how can you believe that?


Turn Green and the 10th pick into vet starters.
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Re: Durant to Houston 

Post#60 » by WesPeace » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:36 am

They wont trade Green, Beal will be gone.. they have a lot of work to do, to get some PGs, wings and center

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