Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Bulls get: OJ Mayo, Ekpe Udoh, and Peyton Siva
Bucks get: Josh Smith
Pistons get: Luol Deng

thoughts?

How much does OJ mayo make?

About $8 mil a year. No thanks.

[TankJob]

Next problem, what salary will the Bulls be taking in return then?

Anything not going past 2015. is fine because that's the year we get our free agent star.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Yeah, can't get that pick from the Lakers or Nets but not because they wouldn't give on but because they don't have one.

Who knows. Either way, neither's relevant to the Deng discussion.

[Proven_Winner]

Of course they would, but not at the expense of a first round pick, certainly not this year.

Well not the Raps in particular but just teams like the Cavs who have done enough tanking and are looking to get into the playoffs no matter what. We've heard reports of them wanting Deng and they know they can't just throw us some garbage and get a all star. Im not so sure they care all that much about their pick this year. You might say why give something when you could sign him in FA but if you get him now you have a higher chance of keeping him because he would be adjusted to playing with that team and you have time to entice him to stay.

I just don't want the Bulls getting cheated. We have the tools to make a rebuild look like a retool. If we could just get one more 1st round pick this year for deng and the Bobcats play well then we would have 3 picks in the 11- 20 range of a deep draft. With the Bulls knack for drafting talent we would be definitely be grabbing a future all star or starter out of those 3. With Nikola coming over and having a core group of veterans with Derrick ,Jimmy, and Noah we could find ourselves back in contention sooner than most.

That's the dream scenario, but I just don't see any GM trading their 2014 first round pick for Deng. Hope i'm wrong, hope the Bulls actually doing it (I think they would jump at the chance if given) but I just don't see it happening.

Its hard to believe anyone would give up a pick in this draft but it can happen. The bulls are not a organization that accepts being shortchanged by other teams. With that said Cavs have been taking for 3 consecutive years and have shown interest in trying to actually win now that they have their franchise player. They would be more than willing to give up a pick this year for the right price and I think Deng is worth that price to them.
The cavs aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer so I think we could take advantage of that and the fact that they have been wanting one our guys for years now.

[Proven_Winner]

Bulls get: OJ Mayo, Ekpe Udoh, and Peyton Siva
Bucks get: Josh Smith
Pistons get: Luol Deng

thoughts?

How much does OJ mayo make?

About $8 mil a year. No thanks.

That's just sickening. I thought the new CBA was created to stop overpaying on guys like mayo. The man is nothing more than a bench spark plug.

[Pnjguy]

Well not the Raps in particular but just teams like the Cavs who have done enough tanking and are looking to get into the playoffs no matter what. We've heard reports of them wanting Deng and they know they can't just throw us some garbage and get a all star. Im not so sure they care all that much about their pick this year. You might say why give something when you could sign him in FA but if you get him now you have a higher chance of keeping him because he would be adjusted to playing with that team and you have time to entice him to stay.

I just don't want the Bulls getting cheated. We have the tools to make a rebuild look like a retool. If we could just get one more 1st round pick this year for deng and the Bobcats play well then we would have 3 picks in the 11- 20 range of a deep draft. With the Bulls knack for drafting talent we would be definitely be grabbing a future all star or starter out of those 3. With Nikola coming over and having a core group of veterans with Derrick ,Jimmy, and Noah we could find ourselves back in contention sooner than most.

That's the dream scenario, but I just don't see any GM trading their 2014 first round pick for Deng. Hope i'm wrong, hope the Bulls actually doing it (I think they would jump at the chance if given) but I just don't see it happening.

Its hard to believe anyone would give up a pick in this draft but it can happen. The bulls are not a organization that accepts being shortchanged by other teams. With that said Cavs have been taking for 3 consecutive years and have shown interest in trying to actually win now that they have their franchise player. They would be more than willing to give up a pick this year for the right price and I think Deng is worth that price to them.
The cavs aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer so I think we could take advantage of that and the fact that they have been wanting one our guys for years now.

relying on GM's to be dumb is not really a good philosophy.

[Proven_Winner]

That's the dream scenario, but I just don't see any GM trading their 2014 first round pick for Deng. Hope i'm wrong, hope the Bulls actually doing it (I think they would jump at the chance if given) but I just don't see it happening.

Its hard to believe anyone would give up a pick in this draft but it can happen. The bulls are not a organization that accepts being shortchanged by other teams. With that said Cavs have been taking for 3 consecutive years and have shown interest in trying to actually win now that they have their franchise player. They would be more than willing to give up a pick this year for the right price and I think Deng is worth that price to them.
The cavs aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer so I think we could take advantage of that and the fact that they have been wanting one our guys for years now.

relying on GM's to be dumb is not really a good philosophy.

Not relying on them to be dumb but more of relying on them to actually want them to complete their goal this year which is getting to the playoffs. In that case we might as well help eachother out.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Facepalm

It's unlikely that Deng would want to play in Cleveland. Very unlikely. Why would Cleveland give up a 1st for a rental that most likely will want to play in a better situation? Cleveland could just go after him in free agency.

[Proven_Winner]

Facepalm

It's unlikely that Deng would want to play in Cleveland. Very unlikely. Why would Cleveland give up a 1st for a rental that most likely will want to play in a better situation? Cleveland could just go after him in free agency.

Trading for him this early would give cleveland time to convince him to stay and show him that the team is on the verge of making the playoffs. We've seen this in the past with Iggy. Denver could have just waited for him but instead they traded for him so its not impossible to want to trade for an expiring. Plus what else does Cleveland have to offer us other than that pick.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Facepalm

It's unlikely that Deng would want to play in Cleveland. Very unlikely. Why would Cleveland give up a 1st for a rental that most likely will want to play in a better situation? Cleveland could just go after him in free agency.

Trading for him this early would give cleveland time to convince him to stay and show him that the team is on the verge of making the playoffs. We've seen this in the past with Iggy. Denver could have just waited for him but instead they traded for him so its not impossible to want to trade for an expiring. Plus what else does Cleveland have to offer us other than that pick.

They're 4-10, they're not on the verge of the playoffs.

Deng picks his destiny. Being one of the better players in free agency do you really in your right mind think Cleveland is an option?

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Facepalm

It's unlikely that Deng would want to play in Cleveland. Very unlikely. Why would Cleveland give up a 1st for a rental that most likely will want to play in a better situation? Cleveland could just go after him in free agency.

Trading for him this early would give cleveland time to convince him to stay and show him that the team is on the verge of making the playoffs. We've seen this in the past with Iggy. Denver could have just waited for him but instead they traded for him so its not impossible to want to trade for an expiring. Plus what else does Cleveland have to offer us other than that pick.

They're 4-10, they're not on the verge of the playoffs.

Deng picks his destiny. Being one of the better players in free agency do you really in your right mind think Cleveland is an option?

I think Deng is going to take the highest offer he gets. Like 90% of free agents.

[Proven_Winner]

Facepalm

It's unlikely that Deng would want to play in Cleveland. Very unlikely. Why would Cleveland give up a 1st for a rental that most likely will want to play in a better situation? Cleveland could just go after him in free agency.

Trading for him this early would give cleveland time to convince him to stay and show him that the team is on the verge of making the playoffs. We've seen this in the past with Iggy. Denver could have just waited for him but instead they traded for him so its not impossible to want to trade for an expiring. Plus what else does Cleveland have to offer us other than that pick.

They're 4-10, they're not on the verge of the playoffs.

Deng picks his destiny. Being one of the better players in free agency do you really in your right mind think Cleveland is an option?

Never said on the verge this year but thanks for the update. Also me personally no but were not talking about me were talking about Deng a guy who wants to get paid and a team like Cleveland can afford him and his expensive taste.

[Gray Poster]

That's the dream scenario, but I just don't see any GM trading their 2014 first round pick for Deng. Hope i'm wrong, hope the Bulls actually doing it (I think they would jump at the chance if given) but I just don't see it happening.

Its hard to believe anyone would give up a pick in this draft but it can happen. The bulls are not a organization that accepts being shortchanged by other teams. With that said Cavs have been taking for 3 consecutive years and have shown interest in trying to actually win now that they have their franchise player. They would be more than willing to give up a pick this year for the right price and I think Deng is worth that price to them.
The cavs aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer so I think we could take advantage of that and the fact that they have been wanting one our guys for years now.

relying on GM's to be dumb is not really a good philosophy.

Didn't the Wizards just send their #1 pick to Phoenix for Gortat?

It will happen again. I could the Cavs doing a 2014 1st and a player (like Waiters or Jack ) for Luol.

2014 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Washington's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-12 in 2014, 1-10 in 2015, 1-10 in 2016, 1-10 in 2017, 1-10 in 2018 or 1-10 in 2019 or unprotected in 2020 [Phoenix-Washington, 10/25/2013]

[Chi town]

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I think Deng is going to take the highest offer he gets. Like 90% of free agents.

Deng will take the highest offer which will only come from a team with cap space. Team that trades for him will want to resign him and not do a S&T. Not many teams with the cap space to sign Deng at 14M per.

[Chi town]

i've always said that CLE seems like the most likely landing spot. They reportedly really wanted Deng during the draft but didn't want to give up their #1 pick. Now Bennet looks worse than the Darko debacle.

CLE could give us savings, a solid pick, or a young player like Waiters.

My question is whether the Bulls want to pay Waiters the money on his contract for two more seasons after this or if they value pure space and a decent pick for him.

[DuckIII]

Facepalm

It's unlikely that Deng would want to play in Cleveland. Very unlikely. Why would Cleveland give up a 1st for a rental that most likely will want to play in a better situation? Cleveland could just go after him in free agency.

Trading for him this early would give cleveland time to convince him to stay and show him that the team is on the verge of making the playoffs. We've seen this in the past with Iggy. Denver could have just waited for him but instead they traded for him so its not impossible to want to trade for an expiring. Plus what else does Cleveland have to offer us other than that pick.

They're 4-10, they're not on the verge of the playoffs.

That puts them a whopping 1.5 games out of the current 8th seed.

And yeah, I actually do think Cleveland is somewhere Deng should consider.

[Chi town]

Deng, Kyrie, Thompson and their pick + Sac's pick and Waiters and Bennet

Depending on what we get from Deng they should be able to swing another deal to make them even better. I'd personally want the pick from Sac which we would probably get in the 2015 draft.

[Mech Engineer]

I think Houston is a good place for Deng. He provides the extra rebounding after Dwight to Harden's chucking. Plus, he has to play without the ball anyways at Houston which is good for him. The salary matching is the problem. But, they do have some picks which they can give.

I also think many teams will trade for Deng after they put a lottery protection of Top 5 or 6.

[whodey]

I think Houston is a good place for Deng. He provides the extra rebounding after Dwight to Harden's chucking. Plus, he has to play without the ball anyways at Houston which is good for him. The salary matching is the problem. But, they do have some picks which they can give.

I also think many teams will trade for Deng after they put a lottery protection of Top 5 or 6.

I doubt it, Houston already has a better option in Parsons. He's a better shooter and ball handler which they need for spacing.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Trading for him this early would give cleveland time to convince him to stay and show him that the team is on the verge of making the playoffs. We've seen this in the past with Iggy. Denver could have just waited for him but instead they traded for him so its not impossible to want to trade for an expiring. Plus what else does Cleveland have to offer us other than that pick.

They're 4-10, they're not on the verge of the playoffs.

That puts them a whopping 1.5 games out of the current 8th seed.

And yeah, I actually do think Cleveland is somewhere Deng should consider.

The problem is their arrow is pointing the wrong way. That team is a mess. Bynum most likely won't pan out, Waiters is in the dog house, their no.1 pick looks to be a waste (so far), and Mike Brown defensive genius can't get them to play D.

I think Deng wants to win and get paid. I think other teams are better options for that. Yes he could go Cleveland but if you're Cleveland why risk it and give up a pick when you can just sign him outright. If they keep playing bad it would be better to add Deng and a draft pick.