Melo #13: Believe in Joakim Noah & Crew

Post #401 » by **coldfish** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:19 pm

People are making too big of a deal about NY not taking Boozer. Boozer going to NY is just one option. He can go to one of many third teams with capspace. Philly, Utah, Orlando and maybe even LA. The Mark Deeks scenario of an amnesty then s&t is possible too.

blumeany · Post #402 » by **blumeany** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:20 pm

Holy crap, I go to bed and Melo #12 is put to rest and Melo #13 is on page 21?!? :lol:

Guess my Melo 22 prediction is safe.

dmk08 · Post #403 » by **dmk08** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:20 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:Screw it. If Melo didn't verbally commit yesterday, I'm offering Lance $10.5M per (42/4) today and getting his ass here for a sit down.

You want Lance why?

ikeziskash · Post #404 » by **ikeziskash** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:20 pm

ikeziskash wrote:
MoneyMitch wrote:I have a lot of respect for your fan base, you guys are entertaining to say the least

Uncalled for. This guy is totally cool and welcome. I have no idea why you would say what you said. ~fleet

I apologize but him coming in here mocking us isn't cool.

johnnyvann840 · Post #405 » by **johnnyvann840** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:21 pm

ingvald wrote:
bad knees wrote:Broussard is right about the $15 million (actually it's $15.8M) if the Bulls keep Rose, Butler, Taj, Noah and McDermott:

Anthony- $15,836,790
Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,700,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Taj - $8,000,000
McDermott - $1,898,300
Roster charge ($507,336) x 7 = $3,551,352
Rip* - $333,334

Total: $63,200,000

Rose, Room MLE
Butler, vet min
Melo, McDermott
Taj, Bairstow
Noah, vet min

Your numbers are right. My issue with Broussard's statement was that the S&T must include Boozer to work. If they amnesty Boozer, they have $11.12M in cap space. S&T with Butler, Dunleavy, and non-guaranteeds matches a $20.33M offer to Melo.

They can amnesty Boozer and offer a very attractive S&T to New York that gets Melo his cash.

Broussard is an idiot.

This post should be read by all.

Magic24 · Post #406 » by **Magic24** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:21 pm

Main issue for the Knicks is staying below the tax line. Any trade that puts them above it, they will decline.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #407 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:22 pm

coldfish wrote:People are making too big of a deal about NY not taking Boozer. Boozer going to NY is just one option. He can go to one of many third teams with capspace. Philly, Utah, Orlando and maybe even LA. The Mark Deeks scenario of an amnesty then s&t is possible too.

Agreed. The Bulls don't need NY to take Boozer - that's just one of many options.

All Melo has to do is tell NY he isn't coming back - and a S&T will get worked out.

Proven_Winner · Post #408 » by **Proven_Winner** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:22 pm

ikeziskash wrote:
ikeziskash wrote:
MoneyMitch wrote:I have a lot of respect for your fan base, you guys are entertaining to say the least

Uncalled for. This guy is totally cool and welcome. I have no idea why you would say what you said. ~fleet

I apologize but him coming in here mocking us isn't cool.

I don't get the feeling he was mocking us. Mitch has been one of the coolest Knicks posters here.

blumeany · Post #409 » by **blumeany** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:22 pm

This 'Boozer can't be traded' and 'NY doesn't want Boozer in a sign and trade' is utter nonsense and posturing. Boozer is a fine player and his contract can be flipped at the trade deadline or expired. He's not worth the contract, but he's also not a complete bum. I've seen plenty of complete bum-ass bums moved quite easily in similar situations.

islanders11040 · Post #410 » by **islanders11040** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:23 pm

WinCity wrote:
bad knees wrote:
ingvald wrote:
...and saying the Bulls can only offer $15M unless they S&T Boozer to Knicks. More cap ignorance. Also saying Melo won't turn down $22M from Knicks, fails to mention Knicks haven't offered that. Dumping Felton and Chandler building confidence in Phil.

More of the same.

Broussard is right about the $15 million (actually it's $15.8M) if the Bulls keep Rose, Butler, Taj, Noah and McDermott:

Anthony- $15,836,790
Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,700,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Taj - $8,000,000
McDermott - $1,898,300
Roster charge ($507,336) x 7 = $3,551,352
Rip* - $333,334

Total: $63,200,000

Rose, Room MLE
Butler, vet min
Melo, McDermott
Taj, Bairstow
Noah, vet min

The problem with Broussards "reporting" is he made a dumb frackin assumption that we wouldn't dump more guys to clear space for Melo. Move Butler and you can clear another $2 mil.

but the thing is he does mention that the bulls could sign melo for 17 mil if they dump butler. almost word for word.

r1terrell23 · Post #411 » by **r1terrell23** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:24 pm

Just remember guys our FO isn't stupid. They know how much money they will need to offer Melo and what moves need to be made to get there. They also knew Melo had the max on the table and I'm sure they all addressed it yesterday. They prepared for this week for 6 months beginning with the Deng trade. These media reports are just for tv sensation.

BullsFTW · Post #412 » by **BullsFTW** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:24 pm

bad knees wrote:
ingvald wrote:
fleet wrote:Broussard: Knicks chances have improved

...and saying the Bulls can only offer $15M unless they S&T Boozer to Knicks. More cap ignorance. Also saying Melo won't turn down $22M from Knicks, fails to mention Knicks haven't offered that. Dumping Felton and Chandler building confidence in Phil.

More of the same.

Broussard is right about the $15 million (actually it's $15.8M) if the Bulls keep Rose, Butler, Taj, Noah and McDermott:

Anthony- $15,836,790
Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,700,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Taj - $8,000,000
McDermott - $1,898,300
Roster charge ($507,336) x 7 = $3,551,352
Rip* - $333,334

Total: $63,200,000

Rose, Room MLE
Butler, vet min
Melo, McDermott
Taj, Bairstow
Noah, vet min

Does Noah's bonus become effective immediately or could it be spread out?

Proven_Winner · Post #413 » by **Proven_Winner** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:25 pm

coldfish wrote:People are making too big of a deal about NY not taking Boozer. Boozer going to NY is just one option. He can go to one of many third teams with capspace. Philly, Utah, Orlando and maybe even LA. The Mark Deeks scenario of an amnesty then s&t is possible too.

I was on the Magic board the other day and they mentioned how they opened up all that capspace to maybe take contracts like Nash or Boozer. I remember a report a few days ago saying the Bulls have talked to 4 teams about taking Boozer. That could mean we have our 3rd trade partner ready and now we are waiting on Melo to say yes.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #414 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:25 pm

Magic24 wrote:Main issue for the Knicks is staying below the tax line. Any trade that puts them above it, they will decline.

Boozer, MDJ, and non-guaranteed contracts for Melo and JR Smith puts them well below the tax line.

I wonder if the Knicks will get called 'cheap' for not paying the tax?

johnnyvann840 · Post #415 » by **johnnyvann840** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:26 pm

dmk08 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:Screw it. If Melo didn't verbally commit yesterday, I'm offering Lance $10.5M per (42/4) today and getting his ass here for a sit down.

You want Lance why?

Because he is a sickly talented young idiot. Give him to Thibs and I just think we might have something. I think the Bulls and Noah, and Rose and Taj around him can get him to channel those talents and make that deal a bargain. It's a gamble but everything the Bulls are doing right now has to be somewhat a gamble. The EC is there for the taking and we have to move fast. I'm pretty sure Melo is staying in NYC and just wants the Magical Mystery Tour.

I just like that htis whole process brought the Bulls together as a franchise. Whether we sign Melo or not, the Bulls will be a great team next season.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #416 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:26 pm

r1terrell23 wrote:Just remember guys our FO isn't stupid. They know how much money they will need to offer Melo and what moves need to be made to get there. They also knew Melo had the max on the table and I'm sure they all addressed it yesterday. They prepared for this week for 6 months beginning with the Deng trade. These media reports are just for tv sensation.

And Melo knew exactly how much the Bulls have available - and still scheduled the meeting.

JDRochholz · Post #417 » by **JDRochholz** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:29 pm

Here's a question that prob has been answered before, but would it be possible to re-negotiate Rose's contract? As in taking a cut to clear more space? Not that he'd be willing....

D_GoLow · Post #418 » by **D_GoLow** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:29 pm

I think this Melo decision may come down to a "Rose" ceremony, pun intended.

red222 · Post #419 » by **red222** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:29 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
Magic24 wrote:Main issue for the Knicks is staying below the tax line. Any trade that puts them above it, they will decline.

Boozer, MDJ, and non-guaranteed contracts for Melo and JR Smith puts them well below the tax line.

I wonder if the Knicks will get called 'cheap' for not paying the tax?

nope

blumeany · Post #420 » by **blumeany** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:30 pm

If there's one thing I've noticed, it's that the national reporters spin the numbers to fit their own narrative. For example, Broussard came on this morning and threw around the 15 million figure to prove his point that Melo would more likely stay with NY because that is a drastic cut to what he could be making in NY. He even said that the Knicks have NO interest in taking Boozer back.

That's lazy reporting, as anyone who spends any amount of time on RealGM can attest. He didn't explore any of the other options that could happen, such as the Bulls finding a third team to take on Boozer. They also make Boozer sound like this total dead weight contract, which I don't believe he is.