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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#401 » by bullsRlife » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:14 pm

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bullsRlife wrote:But he's a professional athlete that has millions of dollars at his disposal, and people will already assume he's a womanizing "sleaze". It's actually the other way around. People won't give him the benefit of the doubt. And almost every famous pro athlete on this planet is a womanizing "sleaze", and most famous people in general are like this.

And he's innocent until proven guilty, what's your point? If it does come out that he did in fact do these things, then yes, he's a F'd up individual, but what are you even trying to say? This is such an unprovable case, it's a moot point. If there was evidence that he actually did do this, it would've been leaked by now.


You said it's not a PR hit.

I don't know if you understand what a PR hit is if you say this.

I didn't discuss whether the case was provable, and people do think far worse of someone proven to be a sleaze then someone who's in a class of people who are likely to be sleazy but haven't been proven to be. If you think otherwise you're being quite naive. There's a reason why people keep all of this discreet. It's not because "no one cares".

It absolutely affects their marketability.

I'm not saying it can't be recovered from. I'm not saying it will hurt him for the next five years. I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying it is a hit to his PR right now which is the opposite of what you said. It's something he sure as hell doesn't want out there in the open.

It doesn't mean all of Derrick's fans will hate him or anything else, but i would bet that he will turn off some segment of the fan population if details come out that he's a womanizer and likes to gang bang women with his friends (even if all consenting).


In order for this to be a PR hit, people would have had to not assume he's like this. My point was, people already assume he's like this. If you assume someone is like that, why in the hell would it surprise you, or make you feel different about said person?

Yeah, it affects his marketability, but like I said, even if he did do this, there's no proof, and if he gets cleared, the same people following this story, are the same people that are going to find out she really was a gold digging money grabber.

Of course he doesn't want it out there in the open, but the fans he has now aren't going to take her side on this, and stop buying his shoes. But I agree, it will affect any new potential endorsement deals.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#402 » by almanbulls » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:14 pm

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Thats just WRONG.

Sex therapy is IMPORTANT, important work.

It is especially important in helping to heal people who have been through sexual abuse and are trying to work their way back to normalcy.

Also, I have been to a sex therapist - my wife and I. There is NOTHING kinky going on there - just lots of honest conversation, tears and slowly working back to trust and normalcy.

So your sex therapist didnt do all that kinky stuff that we were reading? :( Yea, so obviously sounds fake saying you brought your sex therapist friend who went at D-Rose sexually instead of doing her job.


Huh?

I was responding to Inside Info's post that was painting a picture that having a sex therapist as a friend somehow correlates to having loose sexual boundaries.

NOT.

I wasn't referring to that. I was referring your experience with one and what Jane Doe says happened there.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#403 » by musiqsoulchild » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:15 pm

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So what? He didn't want his business out on the streets, and???

I don't get what your stance is. You're appalled at the actual details of Derrick's sexual appetite? You think, because there are details of Derrick's personal life, it will paint him in a bad light? NBA fans won't be behind Derrick as much as before?


Try to put this under the lens of a 24-7-365 media scrutiny.

This story made CNN's story line's. Its the top story on Yahoo's NBA site.

This isnt JR Smith or Nick Young and their sex life's. This is Derrick Rose - a phenom. This story will get MUCH MORE play just because its Derrick and just because the media loves to see a hero fall - it sells.

Trust me - there is no good that can come of this if its prolonged and drawn out for weeks. Especially in the off-season. There is a FANTASTIC opportunity for NBA news sites to get some hits without a single minute of basketball being played.


So? As long as he doesn't get sent to prison, and as long as he isn't guilty of these allegations, who cares?


I do - I dont want distractions on the basketball team I support.

If the Bulls news slot is occupied only by this story and all the gory details of Derrick's OTHER relationships and sexual preferences - that is a distraction to a young team with a new coach.

This report at the VERY least, gives the media a creative license to go looking with a magnifying glass into ALL of Derrick's past relationships, foibles and errors.

I dont want that impacting Derrick and/or the Bulls.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#404 » by bullsRlife » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:15 pm

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bullsRlife wrote:Not only is it not a PR hit, most people with any common sense would probably be surprised if he wasn't a womanizing millionaire in his 20's that has access to the finest woman on this planet.


It doesn't matter if people when they think about it that they think it's more likely true he's a womanizing sleaze than not, without proof they will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Well now you know Rose is a womanizing sleaze. So yeah, it's a PR hit because you can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt.

Much like I would say there's a 98% chance Walter Payton was on roids and probably a 90% chance that Jordan and LeBron were, the PR hit would be massively worse if any of them were caught red handed.

On top of that (ignoring the rape possibility) we also may learn (through evidence in the battle) that Rose likes to gang bang women which even if consenting probably hurts his image as it's not something lots of other people are doing and generally is still a taboo thing.

This doesn't even begin to get into whether any part of this story is true.


It's a semantical debate, but are you a "womanizing sleaze" if you have consensual sex when you're not in a relationship?


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Yeah, there was no need to add the sleaze part. It only makes you sound disingenuous, and bitter that you're not living his life.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#405 » by InsideInfo » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:16 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:
almanbulls wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
Thats just WRONG.

Sex therapy is IMPORTANT, important work.

It is especially important in helping to heal people who have been through sexual abuse and are trying to work their way back to normalcy.

Also, I have been to a sex therapist - my wife and I. There is NOTHING kinky going on there - just lots of honest conversation, tears and slowly working back to trust and normalcy.

So your sex therapist didnt do all that kinky stuff that we were reading? :( Yea, so obviously sounds fake saying you brought your sex therapist friend who went at D-Rose sexually instead of doing her job.


Huh?

I was responding to Inside Info's post that was painting a picture that having a sex therapist as a friend somehow correlates to having loose sexual boundaries.

NOT.


This particular "sex therapist" was naked with them in the room and instructing Jane Doe to "stroke" Derrick. She also ended up sneaking off with Rose and making out with him.

Not sure if you read the court documents, but this particular sex therapist doesn't sound very professional.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#406 » by GetBuLLish » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:17 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:It's a shame that this is the fastest moving thread since the "summer of Melo".

I feel guilty because I can't stop reading it.


Your post makes the point I am trying to make --- this is the BIGGEST story of the offseason. And the longer this stays active, the more steam it will gather.

Private details will emerge - each of them knocking down Derrick a peg down. NOT GOOD.

His lawyers need to END this very quickly.


I'm glad rose is not taking your advice and is fighting this rather than settling. He has already turned down multiple settlement demands and most likely received a draft of this complaint prior to it being filed. He's chosen to fight this. Good for him.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#407 » by almanbulls » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:17 pm

Like if a dude asks you to masturbate on Skype, then you delete him from it, yet you continue to contact him? And after alleged repeated behavior, you decide it's a good idea to keep meeting with him. C'mon, son. And yea, unless this chick is amish, you shoulda seen something about Rose's baby. And I think someone mentioned he was in Orlando during the May dinner therapist thing. If this is true, whats the bitch doing in Orlando? As far as I could tell, she's only met him in Chicago or Cali.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#408 » by Ice the knees » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:17 pm

Man can't wait till th regular season starts and we can actually talk about Bulls news. I can't even entertain this story. Go Bulls!
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#409 » by bullsRlife » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:18 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:
bullsRlife wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
Try to put this under the lens of a 24-7-365 media scrutiny.

This story made CNN's story line's. Its the top story on Yahoo's NBA site.

This isnt JR Smith or Nick Young and their sex life's. This is Derrick Rose - a phenom. This story will get MUCH MORE play just because its Derrick and just because the media loves to see a hero fall - it sells.

Trust me - there is no good that can come of this if its prolonged and drawn out for weeks. Especially in the off-season. There is a FANTASTIC opportunity for NBA news sites to get some hits without a single minute of basketball being played.


So? As long as he doesn't get sent to prison, and as long as he isn't guilty of these allegations, who cares?


I do - I dont want distractions on the basketball team I support.

If the Bulls news slot is occupied only by this story and all the gory details of Derrick's OTHER relationships and sexual preferences - that is a distraction to a young team with a new coach.

This report at the VERY least, gives the media a creative license to go looking with a magnifying glass into ALL of Derrick's past relationships, foibles and errors.

I dont want that impacting Derrick and/or the Bulls.


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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#410 » by musiqsoulchild » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:18 pm

almanbulls wrote:
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almanbulls wrote:So your sex therapist didnt do all that kinky stuff that we were reading? :( Yea, so obviously sounds fake saying you brought your sex therapist friend who went at D-Rose sexually instead of doing her job.


Huh?

I was responding to Inside Info's post that was painting a picture that having a sex therapist as a friend somehow correlates to having loose sexual boundaries.

NOT.

I wasn't referring to that. I was referring your experience with one and what Jane Doe says happened there.


Honestly, at this point I dont give ANY credence to the "he-said, she said". I dont believe her anymore than I do Derrick or vice versa.

I am a jury member so to speak of. Present the evidence.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#411 » by almanbulls » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:19 pm

InsideInfo wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
almanbulls wrote:So your sex therapist didnt do all that kinky stuff that we were reading? :( Yea, so obviously sounds fake saying you brought your sex therapist friend who went at D-Rose sexually instead of doing her job.


Huh?

I was responding to Inside Info's post that was painting a picture that having a sex therapist as a friend somehow correlates to having loose sexual boundaries.

NOT.


This particular "sex therapist" was naked with them in the room and instructing Jane Doe to "stroke" Derrick. She also ended up sneaking off with Rose and making out with him.

Not sure if you read the court documents, but this particular sex therapist doesn't sound very professional.


Oh I think there was a little misunderstanding. That was the exact point I was getting at. I did read it, and the point I was trying to make that doesn't sound like a real sex therapist because of your experience with one.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#412 » by Shill » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:19 pm

There's no point in settling now. The time to settle was before the suit was filed and became public record. That's what Jane Doe was hoping for and it didn't happen. This is essentially her Hail Mary attempt.


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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#413 » by Polynice4Pippen » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:19 pm

GetBuLLish wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:It's a shame that this is the fastest moving thread since the "summer of Melo".

I feel guilty because I can't stop reading it.


Your post makes the point I am trying to make --- this is the BIGGEST story of the offseason. And the longer this stays active, the more steam it will gather.

Private details will emerge - each of them knocking down Derrick a peg down. NOT GOOD.

His lawyers need to END this very quickly.


I'm glad rose is not taking your advice and is fighting this rather than settling. He has already turned down multiple settlement demands and most likely received a draft of this complaint prior to it being filed. He's chosen to fight this. Good for him.


Exactly. Not only should Derrick not give in to extortion (if he indeed didn't do what she accused him of), he should counter sue like Juwan Howard did back in the 90's when he was falsely accused of rape. Derrick can compartmentalize, that's what professionals do.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#414 » by bullsRlife » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:20 pm

almanbulls wrote:Like if a dude asks you to masturbate on Skype, then you delete him from it, yet you continue to contact him? And after alleged repeated behavior, you decide it's a good idea to keep meeting with him. C'mon, son. And yea, unless this chick is amish, you shoulda seen something about Rose's baby. And I think someone mentioned he was in Orlando during the May dinner therapist thing. If this is true, whats the bitch doing in Orlando? As far as I could tell, she's only met him in Chicago or Cali.


Dude, anyone with a brain can see this is some BS by some chick that wants some fast cash.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#415 » by musiqsoulchild » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:21 pm

GetBuLLish wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:It's a shame that this is the fastest moving thread since the "summer of Melo".

I feel guilty because I can't stop reading it.


Your post makes the point I am trying to make --- this is the BIGGEST story of the offseason. And the longer this stays active, the more steam it will gather.

Private details will emerge - each of them knocking down Derrick a peg down. NOT GOOD.

His lawyers need to END this very quickly.


I'm glad rose is not taking your advice and is fighting this rather than settling. He has already turned down multiple settlement demands and most likely received a draft of this complaint prior to it being filed. He's chosen to fight this. Good for him.


If I was advising Derrick, this thread would not have existed.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#416 » by bullsRlife » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:23 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:
GetBuLLish wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
Your post makes the point I am trying to make --- this is the BIGGEST story of the offseason. And the longer this stays active, the more steam it will gather.

Private details will emerge - each of them knocking down Derrick a peg down. NOT GOOD.

His lawyers need to END this very quickly.


I'm glad rose is not taking your advice and is fighting this rather than settling. He has already turned down multiple settlement demands and most likely received a draft of this complaint prior to it being filed. He's chosen to fight this. Good for him.


If I was advising Derrick, this thread would not have existed.


Yeah, he has control over some crazy chick he used to mess with 2 years ago. OK.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#417 » by Indomitable » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:24 pm

mj234eva wrote:
fleet wrote:And all athletes arent falsely or otherwise accused of rape. The vast majority arent. And the ones that dont associate with certain kinds of women probably dont run that risk.


You don't watch ID, do you?

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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#418 » by musiqsoulchild » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:26 pm

bullsRlife wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
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I'm glad rose is not taking your advice and is fighting this rather than settling. He has already turned down multiple settlement demands and most likely received a draft of this complaint prior to it being filed. He's chosen to fight this. Good for him.


If I was advising Derrick, this thread would not have existed.


Yeah, he has control over some crazy chick he used to mess with 2 years ago. OK.


If I was advising Derrick, then the Bulls legal department would be dealing with this. Especially, since she is claiming this happened after a game - one which doesnt even exist.

Also, Derrick would not be in a situation like the one he was in with this girl.

For the money I will charge him, I will put the pussy he gets through all sorts of psych testing. I will know their color wheel, their personality type, their credit scores, their GPA and much more than that.

There is a way to do this - Derrick didnt do it that way.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#419 » by musiqsoulchild » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:27 pm

Want to know how explosive the Derrick Rose story is?

Darryl Dawkins passed away - we aint even talking about it.
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Re: OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF 

Post#420 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:28 pm

CNN has now picked up on this.
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