Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[Chi town]

Chuck Holiday for TYus Jones?

Chuck and Portis for Miles Bridges?

[Dan Z]

Chuck Holiday for TYus Jones?

Chuck and Portis for Miles Bridges?

I'd definitely do the second trade, but I don't know why Charlotte would.

[Diop]

Monk and W. Hernangomez for Blakeney and Payne

I don't know who Blakeney is which is probably not a good sign, lol.

Depends on what you're looking for tbh

The only position that’s good is point guard, but a big would probably be the biggest priority

[GimmeDat]

Would you guys want monk at all? Charlotte needs a change and we don't have much else to offer

What were you looking for from our side? He's kind of a poor mans Lavine, in terms of archetype, even if he does develop, so I'm not sure he's much of a fit, but we should definitely be looking for prospects that could provide some upside outcomes.

fwiw, that Blakeney/Payne deal is a ripoff for you. Neither of those guys are in our rotation.

Holiday seems like a good fit to give you another solid 3/D wing. That could be a starting point. I would offer another marginal asset to get that done if needed, maybe a future 2nd (we don't have this years one).

I see you also mentioned big, I think Holiday/Portis might be a good return to you guys, but I think we'd need a little bit more than Monk coming back in that case.

I assume you don't want to move Bridges at all, but I would offer Holiday, Portis, and one of our expirings (Parker or Lopez) for Bridges and us taking on salary (maybe Biyombo?). Alternatively to taking on considerable salary, I would consider putting Dunn on the table if Bridges was in talks. It's tricky though because we would be left with nothing at PG. Even a Dunn/Holiday/Portis for Monk/Bridges would make sense to me value wise.

Batum would be a big deal for us to take on, but I would take him on if we can get Bridges/Monk/1st. Parker can go back as a big expiring among other things. Not sure what opportunities freeing yourself of Batum's deal achieves - maybe this has no interest to you

[Diop]

Would you guys want monk at all? Charlotte needs a change and we don't have much else to offer

What were you looking for from our side? He's kind of a poor mans Lavine, in terms of archetype, even if he does develop, so I'm not sure he's much of a fit, but we should definitely be looking for prospects that could provide some upside outcomes.

fwiw, that Blakeney/Payne deal is a ripoff for you. Neither of those guys are in our rotation.

Holiday seems like a good fit to give you another solid 3/D wing. That could be a starting point. I would offer another marginal asset to get that done if needed, maybe a future 2nd (we don't have this years one).

I see you also mentioned big, I think Holiday/Portis might be a good return to you guys, but I think we'd need a little bit more than Monk coming back in that case.

I assume you don't want to move Bridges at all, but I would offer Holiday, Portis, and one of our expirings (Parker or Lopez) for Bridges and us taking on salary (maybe Biyombo?). Alternatively to taking on considerable salary, I would consider putting Dunn on the table if Bridges was in talks. It's tricky though because we would be left with nothing at PG. Even a Dunn/Holiday/Portis for Monk/Bridges would make sense to me value wise.

Batum would be a big deal for us to take on, but I would take him on if we can get Bridges/Monk/1st. Parker can go back as a big expiring among other things. Not sure what opportunities freeing yourself of Batum's deal achieves - maybe this has no interest to you

Could we get Portis without including bridges, pretty much everyone apart from kemba and him should be available.

[Chi town]

Would you guys want monk at all? Charlotte needs a change and we don't have much else to offer

What were you looking for from our side? He's kind of a poor mans Lavine, in terms of archetype, even if he does develop, so I'm not sure he's much of a fit, but we should definitely be looking for prospects that could provide some upside outcomes.

fwiw, that Blakeney/Payne deal is a ripoff for you. Neither of those guys are in our rotation.

Holiday seems like a good fit to give you another solid 3/D wing. That could be a starting point. I would offer another marginal asset to get that done if needed, maybe a future 2nd (we don't have this years one).

I see you also mentioned big, I think Holiday/Portis might be a good return to you guys, but I think we'd need a little bit more than Monk coming back in that case.

I assume you don't want to move Bridges at all, but I would offer Holiday, Portis, and one of our expirings (Parker or Lopez) for Bridges and us taking on salary (maybe Biyombo?). Alternatively to taking on considerable salary, I would consider putting Dunn on the table if Bridges was in talks. It's tricky though because we would be left with nothing at PG. Even a Dunn/Holiday/Portis for Monk/Bridges would make sense to me value wise.

Batum would be a big deal for us to take on, but I would take him on if we can get Bridges/Monk/1st. Parker can go back as a big expiring among other things. Not sure what opportunities freeing yourself of Batum's deal achieves - maybe this has no interest to you

WE can’t sell Dunn.

[sco]

Would you guys want monk at all? Charlotte needs a change and we don't have much else to offer

What were you looking for from our side? He's kind of a poor mans Lavine, in terms of archetype, even if he does develop, so I'm not sure he's much of a fit, but we should definitely be looking for prospects that could provide some upside outcomes.

fwiw, that Blakeney/Payne deal is a ripoff for you. Neither of those guys are in our rotation.

Holiday seems like a good fit to give you another solid 3/D wing. That could be a starting point. I would offer another marginal asset to get that done if needed, maybe a future 2nd (we don't have this years one).

I see you also mentioned big, I think Holiday/Portis might be a good return to you guys, but I think we'd need a little bit more than Monk coming back in that case.

I assume you don't want to move Bridges at all, but I would offer Holiday, Portis, and one of our expirings (Parker or Lopez) for Bridges and us taking on salary (maybe Biyombo?). Alternatively to taking on considerable salary, I would consider putting Dunn on the table if Bridges was in talks. It's tricky though because we would be left with nothing at PG. Even a Dunn/Holiday/Portis for Monk/Bridges would make sense to me value wise.

Batum would be a big deal for us to take on, but I would take him on if we can get Bridges/Monk/1st. Parker can go back as a big expiring among other things. Not sure what opportunities freeing yourself of Batum's deal achieves - maybe this has no interest to you

Could we get Portis without including bridges, pretty much everyone apart from kemba and him should be available.

Would you do Portis/Felicio for Biyombo + your 1st? I think I'd do that.

[Chi town]

Jabari Chuck and Portis for Gordon Hayward and Jaylen Brown.

Save BOS big money

[GimmeDat]

WE can’t sell Dunn.

That's easy enough to say, but would you have traded Dunn for a lottery pick at draft time? I would've. Miles Bridges projects to be a better player than Dunn and on the start of his rookie contract. If Dunn, among other pieces, could land him, I'd be very happy with that return. I like Dunn a lot but he's flawed and hasn't consistently proven to be a starting level PG. We can find someone else to start at point on the off-season.

Could we get Portis without including bridges, pretty much everyone apart from kemba and him should be available.

Yeah, I think so. Monk and some form of sweetner would do it for me.

[Diop]

What were you looking for from our side? He's kind of a poor mans Lavine, in terms of archetype, even if he does develop, so I'm not sure he's much of a fit, but we should definitely be looking for prospects that could provide some upside outcomes.

fwiw, that Blakeney/Payne deal is a ripoff for you. Neither of those guys are in our rotation.

Holiday seems like a good fit to give you another solid 3/D wing. That could be a starting point. I would offer another marginal asset to get that done if needed, maybe a future 2nd (we don't have this years one).

I see you also mentioned big, I think Holiday/Portis might be a good return to you guys, but I think we'd need a little bit more than Monk coming back in that case.

I assume you don't want to move Bridges at all, but I would offer Holiday, Portis, and one of our expirings (Parker or Lopez) for Bridges and us taking on salary (maybe Biyombo?). Alternatively to taking on considerable salary, I would consider putting Dunn on the table if Bridges was in talks. It's tricky though because we would be left with nothing at PG. Even a Dunn/Holiday/Portis for Monk/Bridges would make sense to me value wise.

Batum would be a big deal for us to take on, but I would take him on if we can get Bridges/Monk/1st. Parker can go back as a big expiring among other things. Not sure what opportunities freeing yourself of Batum's deal achieves - maybe this has no interest to you

Could we get Portis without including bridges, pretty much everyone apart from kemba and him should be available.

Would you do Portis/Felicio for Biyombo + your 1st? I think I'd do that.

Is Portis expiring? Would be crap to lose a first on a rental but I would consider it. Our bigs are to soft

[WindyCityBorn]

Unbeliavable. Do we really have to drag EVERY non-shooting, ball-dominating combo guard type into this thread? Why are Bulls fans in love with these dudes? DSJ is a career 32% 3pt shooter. Hell, his FG% is 40.3!! That's beyond atrocious. Yeah, he's been a bit better this season, but that's mostly due to playing with a generational talent in Luka.

If there weren't enough basketballs in Dallas for DSJ, what makes anyone think it'd be any different in Chicago? We sure as hell can't bring him in with a promise of a major on-ball role. That's not available.

All true, but honestly, I like a Dunn /DSJ backcourt more than a Dunn/ Lavine one. I don't look at him as a replacement for Dunn.

Two short poor shooting starting guards sounds like a disaster. Dunn will be the one moved if any one goes btw.

[HoopsterJones]

Could we get Portis without including bridges, pretty much everyone apart from kemba and him should be available.

Would you do Portis/Felicio for Biyombo + your 1st? I think I'd do that.

Is Portis expiring? Would be crap to lose a first on a rental but I would consider it. Our bigs are to soft

RFA after this season.

[GimmeDat]

It was only speculative, but that article citing Exum as a return on Parker would be out of the window at this point I'd imagine. He's shown some serious glimpses the last couple of weeks.

[ZOMG]

It was only speculative, but that article citing Exum as a return on Parker would be out of the window at this point I'd imagine. He's shown some serious glimpses the last couple of weeks.

Exum is shooting 28% from three. Hasn't cracked the 30 percent mark in three seasons. He makes Dunn look like Steph.

It's funny and terrible at the same time seeing all these non-shooters being dangled in the market and Bulls fans getting excited about every one of them.

We shouldn't even consider PG's who are known to be shaky outside shooters. Period.

[GimmeDat]

It was only speculative, but that article citing Exum as a return on Parker would be out of the window at this point I'd imagine. He's shown some serious glimpses the last couple of weeks.

Exum is shooting 28% from three. Hasn't cracked the 30 percent mark in three seasons. He makes Dunn look like Steph.

It's funny and terrible at the same time seeing all these non-shooters being dangled in the market and Bulls fans getting excited about every one of them.

We shouldn't even consider PG's who are known to be shaky outside shooters. Period.

He's always been a project and his shot is a big project. He likely won't ever be a plus shooter, I think he can develop a capable set shot. What he does do is provide elite, multi-positional defense and penetrates at will. Between his rawness, the time he's missed with injuries, and the short leash Synder has always given him, there's plenty of room for upside there.

He's not a shooter, but he brings a lot of other things to the table. There is nothing wrong with targeting a non-shooter.. we have great shooters elsewhere in the lineup and should aim to introduce another great shooter at SF. We should be looking for good NBA players, period.

Now I'm not saying I would go out of my way to target him, but I was referring to a situation where he would be the return for Jabari, which would obviously be a great outcome.

[ZOMG]

It was only speculative, but that article citing Exum as a return on Parker would be out of the window at this point I'd imagine. He's shown some serious glimpses the last couple of weeks.

Exum is shooting 28% from three. Hasn't cracked the 30 percent mark in three seasons. He makes Dunn look like Steph.

It's funny and terrible at the same time seeing all these non-shooters being dangled in the market and Bulls fans getting excited about every one of them.

We shouldn't even consider PG's who are known to be shaky outside shooters. Period.

He's always been a project and his shot is a big project. He likely won't ever be a plus shooter, I think he can develop a capable set shot. What he does do is provide elite, multi-positional defense and penetrates at will. Between his rawness, the time he's missed with injuries, and the short leash Synder has always given him, there's plenty of room for upside there.

He's not a shooter, but he brings a lot of other things to the table. There is nothing wrong with targeting a non-shooter.. we have great shooters elsewhere in the lineup and should aim to introduce another great shooter at SF. We should be looking for good NBA players, period.

Now I'm not saying I would go out of my way to target him, but I was referring to a situation where he would be the return for Jabari, which would obviously be a great outcome.

I disagree with the "we have great shooters elsewhere" thing. I don't know if you consider Holiday a great shooter, but even if you do, he might be gone in a minute. Lauri is not a great shooter and he shouldn't be living on the perimeter anyway.

Shaq, Dunn, Wendell, Arci and Hutchison cannot be counted on to hit their open threes. Portis is having a horrible year from behind the arc. The same goes for Payne (who's nailed to the bench these days).

Even Zach is pretty much sucking from three this season.

To sum up - we need shooting and playmaking above all else. If we can combine those things in the same dude, all the better. Trouble is, those players can get expensive and we have few assets.

[Chi town]

Exum is a horrible return and fit. 3/33M. Cant shoot. We need shooting badly

[Chi town]

WE can’t sell Dunn.

That's easy enough to say, but would you have traded Dunn for a lottery pick at draft time? I would've. Miles Bridges projects to be a better player than Dunn and on the start of his rookie contract. If Dunn, among other pieces, could land him, I'd be very happy with that return. I like Dunn a lot but he's flawed and hasn't consistently proven to be a starting level PG. We can find someone else to start at point on the off-season.

Could we get Portis without including bridges, pretty much everyone apart from kemba and him should be available.

Nope. PG is thinnest position for us.

Way to early to give up on Dunn. He’s getting better

Yeah, I think so. Monk and some form of sweetner would do it for me.

[GimmeDat]

WE can’t sell Dunn.

That's easy enough to say, but would you have traded Dunn for a lottery pick at draft time? I would've. Miles Bridges projects to be a better player than Dunn and on the start of his rookie contract. If Dunn, among other pieces, could land him, I'd be very happy with that return. I like Dunn a lot but he's flawed and hasn't consistently proven to be a starting level PG. We can find someone else to start at point on the off-season.

Could we get Portis without including bridges, pretty much everyone apart from kemba and him should be available.

Nope. PG is thinnest position for us.

Way to early to give up on Dunn. He’s getting better

Yeah, I think so. Monk and some form of sweetner would do it for me.

Just to clarify here, you wrote the 1st two paragraphs, the last ones mine (think you accidentally quoted it wrong)

As for Dunn, I'm not down on him per se, I would really like to keep him, but if the return was Miles Bridges I would easily do it. Miles is a better and less flawed prospect, is like 5 years younger, and has longer on the rookie scale.

Roster needs shouldn't really be an issue at this point in the rebuild. We can always find another PG in the offseason and/or target one in the draft.

And fwiw, Dunn is basically the same player he was last year, except he's shot his midrange Js at an unsustainably high rate. He's actually cut the 3 out of his game even that development is imperative from him. His FTr, passing, etc. Is all about the same, he fouls enough per36 to basically get fouled out every game still yet his steal rate is down... all SSS but he hasn't shown any improvement *yet*.

And if we are to talk needs, Bridges absolutely fills the gap of a combo forward who plays defense and hits 3's. He can play what Jabari's role was supposed to be, as an SF that can slide up to small 4. He fits this group to a tee.

I would easily trade Dunn, Portis and Holiday all for him.

[GimmeDat]

Exum is shooting 28% from three. Hasn't cracked the 30 percent mark in three seasons. He makes Dunn look like Steph.

It's funny and terrible at the same time seeing all these non-shooters being dangled in the market and Bulls fans getting excited about every one of them.

We shouldn't even consider PG's who are known to be shaky outside shooters. Period.

He's always been a project and his shot is a big project. He likely won't ever be a plus shooter, I think he can develop a capable set shot. What he does do is provide elite, multi-positional defense and penetrates at will. Between his rawness, the time he's missed with injuries, and the short leash Synder has always given him, there's plenty of room for upside there.

He's not a shooter, but he brings a lot of other things to the table. There is nothing wrong with targeting a non-shooter.. we have great shooters elsewhere in the lineup and should aim to introduce another great shooter at SF. We should be looking for good NBA players, period.

Now I'm not saying I would go out of my way to target him, but I was referring to a situation where he would be the return for Jabari, which would obviously be a great outcome.

I disagree with the "we have great shooters elsewhere" thing. I don't know if you consider Holiday a great shooter, but even if you do, he might be gone in a minute. Lauri is not a great shooter and he shouldn't be living on the perimeter anyway.

Shaq, Dunn, Wendell, Arci and Hutchison cannot be counted on to hit their open threes. Portis is having a horrible year from behind the arc. The same goes for Payne (who's nailed to the bench these days).

Even Zach is pretty much sucking from three this season.

To sum up - we need shooting and playmaking above all else. If we can combine those things in the same dude, all the better. Trouble is, those players can get expensive and we have few assets.

I see what you're saying.. I just look at it through the lens of not what the roster is right now, but how it projects to be, so I only look at Lavine (admittedly struggled with the 3 so far for Bulls but I believe thats partly the result of onball usage as there's a great disparity between his spot up and off dribble numbers), Markkanen (I have to disagree here, I think he's an elite shooter for a big, 36% rookie year, 39% so far this season, on high volume), and Carter (Not there yet, ot seems like he's simply not getting the green light to shoot jumpers, but projections were extremely positive on his range and his 3 ball was imperative to his offensive outcome).

I agree Exum isn't a perfect fit.. but I also think beggars can't be choosers. We're talking about a return on Jabari here.