NBA Trade Thread # 3

[Dominator83]

I would also try to nab Collins from ATL, but would try without a 1st:

Lauri/Hutch/Val/Gafford for Collins/Snell (expiring filler).

We're not getting Collins without our 1st. But he's worth it. Wouldn't mind seeing both Collins and Lonzo traded for. Start mixing things up AKME

[kodo]

It will be aggravating if we do nothing.

There's a surplus of big men out there because bigs aren't in demand, we have huge holes in our big lineup and could use any of them.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

I would also try to nab Collins from ATL, but would try without a 1st:

Lauri/Hutch/Val/Gafford for Collins/Snell (expiring filler).

We're not getting Collins without our 1st. But he's worth it. Wouldn't mind seeing both Collins and Lonzo traded for. Start mixing things up AKME

I dont think he is worth Bulls frp. If Bulls end up with top 5 pick Evan Mobley have potential to be levels up better player than John Collins. Collins is like better version but much expensive version of Markkanen. I dont think he is that better of Lauri to pay potential top frp and he would ask max deal even he is 80% of real franchise max player.

[MGB8]

Porter / Hutch / Gafford / 2nd rounder for Drummond + Delly

Note that the above is more value than a buyout, especially getting Gafford for 2 more cheap years.

And if the above is the kind of value that it would take, Bulls should definitely make the trade. No FA is coming, and Drummond could make a big difference defensively, and also passes pretty well for a big. He’s not perfect, but he is good, which would be a big upgrade.

[Chi town]

Drummond will get bought out and go for a ring or where he will get paid.

Why wouldn't he "get paid" here if we traded for him?

Don't see AK doing that.

Its been said too many times to count... you don't pay C's. You don't use assets to get C's.

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
DeAngelo Russell
Ricky Rubio
Grayson Allen
Ed Davis
Jarred Vanderbilt

Minnesota Receives:
Coby White
Brandon Clarke
Gorgui Dieng
Tomas Satoransky
2022 1st (top 4 protected)

Memphis Receives:
Thaddeus Young
Wendell Carter Jr.


DeAngelo Russell / Ricky Rubio
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple / Grayson Allen
Patrick Williams / Otto Porter Jr.
Lauri Markkanen / Jarred Vanderbelt
Ed Davis / Daniel Gafford

*Bulls have enough cap space to sign Drummond in free agency.

2021:
D'Angelo Russell / Ricky Rubio / Ryan Arcidiacano
Zach LaVine / Grayson Allen / Garrett Temple
Patrick Williams / 2021 1st / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Jarred Vanderbelt
Andre Drummond / Daniel Gafford

I don't get this. Why would we try to be a worst version of the Timberwolves?

D'Angelo Russel is one of the most overrated players in the league, a horrible defender and a just meh creator in the half court. He's far from and ideal Lavine backcourt partner.
Drummond is a fine starting center. And that's all. He wouldn't really move the needle that much for us.
We'd be shuffling things around just for the sake of it, losing assets in the process and not getting anywhere in the long run.

Do you think Coby White is going to develop into a better player than D'Angelo Russell? Russell has some holes in his game but he is far from one of the most overrated players in the league... He lead a pretty average Brooklyn Nets team to the playoffs, which is more than we can say about any current Chicago Bulls players and was an all-star in 2019. Plus, he is only 24 years old, which means there is still plenty of years to continue to develop.

Ricky Rubio would also be a solid third guard and the perfect facilitator to create easier scoring opportunities.

Do you think Wendell carter Jr. is going to develop into a better player than Andre Drummond? Andre Drummond has been on a lot of teams that can't shoot the ball, which really ends up crowding the paint and hurting his efficiency/causing more turnovers. If he signed with the Bulls, they would have 4 starters that can shoot over 40% from 3. His rebounding would really offset Lauri Markkanens average rebounding numbers too.

The average age of the Bulls starting line up would only be 24.6, which would tie them for 5th youngest starting line up in the NBA.

[mtron32]

Chicago Receives:
DeAngelo Russell
Ricky Rubio
Grayson Allen
Ed Davis
Jarred Vanderbilt

Minnesota Receives:
Coby White
Brandon Clarke
Gorgui Dieng
Tomas Satoransky
2022 1st (top 4 protected)

Memphis Receives:
Thaddeus Young
Wendell Carter Jr.


DeAngelo Russell / Ricky Rubio
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple / Grayson Allen
Patrick Williams / Otto Porter Jr.
Lauri Markkanen / Jarred Vanderbelt
Ed Davis / Daniel Gafford

*Bulls have enough cap space to sign Drummond in free agency.

2021:
D'Angelo Russell / Ricky Rubio / Ryan Arcidiacano
Zach LaVine / Grayson Allen / Garrett Temple
Patrick Williams / 2021 1st / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Jarred Vanderbelt
Andre Drummond / Daniel Gafford

I don't get this. Why would we try to be a worst version of the Timberwolves?

D'Angelo Russel is one of the most overrated players in the league, a horrible defender and a just meh creator in the half court. He's far from and ideal Lavine backcourt partner.
Drummond is a fine starting center. And that's all. He wouldn't really move the needle that much for us.
We'd be shuffling things around just for the sake of it, losing assets in the process and not getting anywhere in the long run.

Do you think Coby White is going to develop into a better player than D'Angelo Russell? Russell has some holes in his game but he is far from one of the most overrated players in the league... He lead a pretty average Brooklyn Nets team to the playoffs, which is more than we can say about any current Chicago Bulls players and was an all-star in 2019. Plus, he is only 24 years old, which means there is still plenty of years to continue to develop.

Ricky Rubio would also be a solid third guard and the perfect facilitator to create easier scoring opportunities.

Do you think Wendell carter Jr. is going to develop into a better player than Andre Drummond? Andre Drummond has been on a lot of teams that can't shoot the ball, which really ends up crowding the paint and hurting his efficiency/causing more turnovers. If he signed with the Bulls, they would have 4 starters that can shoot over 40% from 3. His rebounding would really offset Lauri Markkanens average rebounding numbers too.

The average age of the Bulls starting line up would only be 24.6, which would tie them for 5th youngest starting line up in the NBA.

Russel is fine but he doesn't get us much being paired with LaVine. The Bulls need a facilitator and an actual big man that can defend and grab boards with a side of scoring. Russel only slightly improves the backcourt offense while doing nothing to address the defense

[sco]

Saw internet fodder that Boston was looking at trades to improve them for playoffs. I wonder if Lauri, Val, Temple for Smart would be of interest? $-work.

[Chi town]

Smart is the heart and soul of BOS and they aren't very good without as seen by their dropoff since his injury.

I could see a Lauri trade with them though.

Could also see Suns.

[Grodoboldo]

Chicago Receives:
DeAngelo Russell
Ricky Rubio
Grayson Allen
Ed Davis
Jarred Vanderbilt

Minnesota Receives:
Coby White
Brandon Clarke
Gorgui Dieng
Tomas Satoransky
2022 1st (top 4 protected)

Memphis Receives:
Thaddeus Young
Wendell Carter Jr.


DeAngelo Russell / Ricky Rubio
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple / Grayson Allen
Patrick Williams / Otto Porter Jr.
Lauri Markkanen / Jarred Vanderbelt
Ed Davis / Daniel Gafford

*Bulls have enough cap space to sign Drummond in free agency.

2021:
D'Angelo Russell / Ricky Rubio / Ryan Arcidiacano
Zach LaVine / Grayson Allen / Garrett Temple
Patrick Williams / 2021 1st / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Jarred Vanderbelt
Andre Drummond / Daniel Gafford

I don't get this. Why would we try to be a worst version of the Timberwolves?

D'Angelo Russel is one of the most overrated players in the league, a horrible defender and a just meh creator in the half court. He's far from and ideal Lavine backcourt partner.
Drummond is a fine starting center. And that's all. He wouldn't really move the needle that much for us.
We'd be shuffling things around just for the sake of it, losing assets in the process and not getting anywhere in the long run.

Do you think Coby White is going to develop into a better player than D'Angelo Russell? Russell has some holes in his game but he is far from one of the most overrated players in the league... He lead a pretty average Brooklyn Nets team to the playoffs, which is more than we can say about any current Chicago Bulls players and was an all-star in 2019. Plus, he is only 24 years old, which means there is still plenty of years to continue to develop.

Ricky Rubio would also be a solid third guard and the perfect facilitator to create easier scoring opportunities.

Do you think Wendell carter Jr. is going to develop into a better player than Andre Drummond? Andre Drummond has been on a lot of teams that can't shoot the ball, which really ends up crowding the paint and hurting his efficiency/causing more turnovers. If he signed with the Bulls, they would have 4 starters that can shoot over 40% from 3. His rebounding would really offset Lauri Markkanens average rebounding numbers too.

The average age of the Bulls starting line up would only be 24.6, which would tie them for 5th youngest starting line up in the NBA.

Yes, de Angelo and Drummond are... fine.
Fine players on expensive deals, which we would have to spend assets to get. Coby and Wendell might not develop to that level, but are cheap. Just the potential alone that they might eventually be better, even if not likely, are worth more than Drummond and Russell.

[gobullschi]

I don't get this. Why would we try to be a worst version of the Timberwolves?

D'Angelo Russel is one of the most overrated players in the league, a horrible defender and a just meh creator in the half court. He's far from and ideal Lavine backcourt partner.
Drummond is a fine starting center. And that's all. He wouldn't really move the needle that much for us.
We'd be shuffling things around just for the sake of it, losing assets in the process and not getting anywhere in the long run.

Do you think Coby White is going to develop into a better player than D'Angelo Russell? Russell has some holes in his game but he is far from one of the most overrated players in the league... He lead a pretty average Brooklyn Nets team to the playoffs, which is more than we can say about any current Chicago Bulls players and was an all-star in 2019. Plus, he is only 24 years old, which means there is still plenty of years to continue to develop.

Ricky Rubio would also be a solid third guard and the perfect facilitator to create easier scoring opportunities.

Do you think Wendell carter Jr. is going to develop into a better player than Andre Drummond? Andre Drummond has been on a lot of teams that can't shoot the ball, which really ends up crowding the paint and hurting his efficiency/causing more turnovers. If he signed with the Bulls, they would have 4 starters that can shoot over 40% from 3. His rebounding would really offset Lauri Markkanens average rebounding numbers too.

The average age of the Bulls starting line up would only be 24.6, which would tie them for 5th youngest starting line up in the NBA.

Yes, de Angelo and Drummond are... fine.
Fine players on expensive deals, which we would have to spend assets to get. Coby and Wendell might not develop to that level, but are cheap. Just the potential alone that they might eventually be better, even if not likely, are worth more than Drummond and Russell.

So there is a small chance that Coby (20) develops into a better player than Russell... Who says Russell (24) is done developing? How long is it going to take for White to develop into a better player?

Of course we all wish the perfect player that compliments everyone on the roster is available, but that rarely ever happens. You just build out the rest of the roster to fill the gaps.

Better players get paid more. That’s how it works.

[WYO]

There is an r/nba post about Drummond being the most inefficient high usage player in the NBA. I hope some of the people in this thread see it. The language in the video is a little nsfw so I won't share it here, but Drummond would be an awful addition unless the Cavs give up multiple picks to take on their trash.

[gobullschi]

There is an r/nba post about Drummond being the most inefficient high usage player in the NBA. I hope some of the people in this thread see it. The language in the video is a little nsfw so I won't share it here, but Drummond would be an awful addition unless the Cavs give up multiple picks to take on their trash.

It’s because he’s been on awful teams his whole career (seriously look at the rosters he’s been on) and acts like a number 1-2 offensive option, when he should be a 3-4.

You don’t sign Drummond to score 20 PPG. You sign him because he gives you extra possessions with his league leading rebounding. He also sets some devastating screens.

[Nate3carp]

Teams getting these bought out players should be on the hook for the whole contract, with tax payments applied as well.

Buyouts are my least favorite thing about the NBA. I don’t get why it’s allowed to just make good teams better, basically for free.

[rtblues]

I don't get this. Why would we try to be a worst version of the Timberwolves?

D'Angelo Russel is one of the most overrated players in the league, a horrible defender and a just meh creator in the half court. He's far from and ideal Lavine backcourt partner.
Drummond is a fine starting center. And that's all. He wouldn't really move the needle that much for us.
We'd be shuffling things around just for the sake of it, losing assets in the process and not getting anywhere in the long run.

Do you think Coby White is going to develop into a better player than D'Angelo Russell? Russell has some holes in his game but he is far from one of the most overrated players in the league... He lead a pretty average Brooklyn Nets team to the playoffs, which is more than we can say about any current Chicago Bulls players and was an all-star in 2019. Plus, he is only 24 years old, which means there is still plenty of years to continue to develop.

Ricky Rubio would also be a solid third guard and the perfect facilitator to create easier scoring opportunities.

Do you think Wendell carter Jr. is going to develop into a better player than Andre Drummond? Andre Drummond has been on a lot of teams that can't shoot the ball, which really ends up crowding the paint and hurting his efficiency/causing more turnovers. If he signed with the Bulls, they would have 4 starters that can shoot over 40% from 3. His rebounding would really offset Lauri Markkanens average rebounding numbers too.

The average age of the Bulls starting line up would only be 24.6, which would tie them for 5th youngest starting line up in the NBA.

Russel is fine but he doesn't get us much being paired with LaVine. The Bulls need a facilitator and an actual big man that can defend and grab boards with a side of scoring. Russel only slightly improves the backcourt offense while doing nothing to address the defense

I believe that Russell is dead last or very close to last in the NBA in defensive rating. Not exactly the AK profile... HARD PASS!

[MGB8]

There is an r/nba post about Drummond being the most inefficient high usage player in the NBA. I hope some of the people in this thread see it. The language in the video is a little nsfw so I won't share it here, but Drummond would be an awful addition unless the Cavs give up multiple picks to take on their trash.

It’s because he’s been on awful teams his whole career (seriously look at the rosters he’s been on) and acts like a number 1-2 offensive option, when he should be a 3-4.

You don’t sign Drummond to score 20 PPG. You sign him because he gives you extra possessions with his league leading rebounding. He also sets some devastating screens.

You also trade for Drummond if you can get him cheap (which if they are considering a buyout, should be the case), because he's a needle-moving center talent on both ends.

He's had an about 56% TS for the last several years, had a nice stretch where he was top 15 or so in fouls drawn, and an insane natural rebounder and strong defensive presence.

He's not perfect - but no one is trading prime Lebron. What he would do is add traits that the Bulls are missing, fit with the timeframe, fit with the scheme, and really open things up for LaVine and others because of the threat that he presents.

IMO, if you have a chance to get him for cheap (i.e., Otto + guys we aren't keeping and maybe a 2nd - you do it.

[sco]

There is an r/nba post about Drummond being the most inefficient high usage player in the NBA. I hope some of the people in this thread see it. The language in the video is a little nsfw so I won't share it here, but Drummond would be an awful addition unless the Cavs give up multiple picks to take on their trash.

It’s because he’s been on awful teams his whole career (seriously look at the rosters he’s been on) and acts like a number 1-2 offensive option, when he should be a 3-4.

You don’t sign Drummond to score 20 PPG. You sign him because he gives you extra possessions with his league leading rebounding. He also sets some devastating screens.

You also trade for Drummond if you can get him cheap (which if they are considering a buyout, should be the case), because he's a needle-moving center talent on both ends.

He's had an about 56% TS for the last several years, had a nice stretch where he was top 15 or so in fouls drawn, and an insane natural rebounder and strong defensive presence.

He's not perfect - but no one is trading prime Lebron. What he would do is add traits that the Bulls are missing, fit with the timeframe, fit with the scheme, and really open things up for LaVine and others because of the threat that he presents.

IMO, if you have a chance to get him for cheap (i.e., Otto + guys we aren't keeping and maybe a 2nd - you do it.

I think these are good points. IMO the only reasons not to trade for him would be:

1) The assets (i.e. Otto) could be used in a trade for a better/more helpful player...should such a deal be out there.
2) Carter continues on a steep upward trajectory in coming month and removes question marks.

Not saying either happens though, in which case, sign me up. The try before you buy idea is a good one.

[MrSparkle]

Random thought of the day-
Why the hell is PHI not interested in 3P talent?

So many guys ‘available cheap,’ either in past or present. You had McDermott discarded in a McDonald’s dumpster until IND found him. Hield has been on SAC’s trade-list since they acquired him. I could go on endlessly, because it seems like PHI has does everything possible to avoid the cheap role-players Simmons and Embiid need the most.

Anyway, just seems like Lauri would be a no-brainer. They have Thybulle clogging up more space. I realize they value his defense, but what the hell? How many years does PHI have to keep shooting its stars in the foot? They need bench spacing and backup shooters when either guy gets hurt.

Lauri for Thybulle

[Andi Obst]

You don’t sign Drummond to score 20 PPG. You sign him because he gives you extra possessions with his league leading rebounding. He also sets some devastating screens.

Andre Drummond's teams have never been really good rebounding teams. It's his only above average skill, but because he's always looking to get every rebound possible instead of boxing out, his impact is way lower than you would think it would be. And even if his rebounding was as great as the raw numbers suggest: I'm not signing (or trading for) a guy who has one above average skill, especially if that's rebounding. His screen setting is also far from "devastating" because he's simply too lazy to do it right. Drummond has the physical tools to be much better than he is, but he's a low IQ, low effort player who clearly thinks he's a star. Not signing Drummond to score 20 PPG is one thing, but good luck convincing him that he needs to completely abandon his inefficient post shot chucking.

[Andi Obst]

You also trade for Drummond if you can get him cheap (which if they are considering a buyout, should be the case), because he's a needle-moving center talent on both ends.

If he is, we have certainly never seen it.

He's had an about 56% TS for the last several years, had a nice stretch where he was top 15 or so in fouls drawn, and an insane natural rebounder and strong defensive presence.

Is that supposed to be an argument FOR Andre Drummond?