Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts

[DroseReturnChi]

So now Zach has to get 5/190. What happens in 2 years? Vuc is gone and...

yep horrible deal is that we didnt get gordon. i said in the gordon thread they need to target him.

[TheSuzerain]

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

We need a follow-up move for this Vuc trade to make sense.

I don't think Lonzo is good enough though. We need a half-court playmaker.

Vuc is a pretty darn good half court playmaker.

Not by playoff standards. Especially in crunch time.

[DroseReturnChi]

whoa!! Playoffs for you guys! Very interested in this team.

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its not a good deal. i would have targeted buy low in lowry, powell or vuc, gordon, or sabonis, oladipo for what i gave up.
but again im 5 head better than AK.

[Hangtime84]

Bulls also got Al Farouq Aminu

Loul Deng Jr

[DroseReturnChi]

FFS Nuggets take AG who I really wanted. AK2.0 is somewhere there.

[jStuNNa]

At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

We need a follow-up move for this Vuc trade to make sense.

I don't think Lonzo is good enough though. We need a half-court playmaker.

They're saying on The Score though that KC is reporting the Pelicans want more than just Lauri... aka draft compensation. That makes it tough. I agree Lonzo is a bit better than Lauri, but not by a whole lot. Most I would include with Lauri is a 2nd round pick. Otherwise, I'd roll with the dice with Lauri as a third option on this team and wait until the offseason to pursue Lonzo or another PG.

[DroseReturnChi]

And why the fk is aminu even here? Like literally we mortgaged the entire team for lavine holy christ.

[Tetlak]

FFS Nuggets take AG who I really wanted. AK2.0 is somewhere there.

Brotha AG is nothing more than an average NBA player who was paid to be an allstar that he never turned in to.

If you were here for Tyrus Thomas, you'd hate AG. He loves chucking up jumpers just as much.

[TheSuzerain]

Man, the Aminu contract is bad. On the books for $10 million next year.

[jnrjr79]

I don’t have time to read this thread. I see this year’s pick has top 4 protection. What are the details on the other pick?

As an aside, I will find it much easier to like this trade if we land Lonzo and legitimately are trying to set a competitive core for several years coming.

Top 4 on both, per KC.

Thanks! So the other is for the 2023 draft I assume? Can’t trade consecutive firsts anymore right?

Yep, the others is 2023, again top 4 protected.

[DuckIII]

At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

We need a follow-up move for this Vuc trade to make sense.

I don't think Lonzo is good enough though. We need a half-court playmaker.

You and I are in 100% agreement about the issues with this trade, and the need for something else to happen before it becomes a “win.”

If we’re done today, I’m not loving this at all.

However, I have a much higher opinion of Ball than you do. And I feel strongly he will continue to improve. So if we get Ball, or another legit playmaker, and are really going “all in” with a new core, I’m sold.

If not, I don’t see the intended endgame. We desperately need a playmaker. If we don’t trade for one now, and just jettisoned our first in a loaded draft, what’s the plan?

[jnrjr79]

At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

Keep in mind that top 4 protection is all you really want and is in no way “meager.” You can only jump up in the lottery into those four slots. If the season ended today, the Bulls could only draft 9 or later if they don’t jump into the top four, and you figure the Bulls’ position is only going to improve as a result of today’s trades.

Basically, top 4 is all you need if the team is going to be halfway decent. This only bites you if you decide to tank in 2022-2023.

[DroseReturnChi]

FFS Nuggets take AG who I really wanted. AK2.0 is somewhere there.

Brotha AG is nothing more than an average NBA player who was paid to be an allstar that he never turned in to.

If you were here for Tyrus Thomas, you'd hate AG. He loves chucking up jumpers just as much.

then why did nuggets take him? the avg talk condescending him is like mocking Ball for his ft numbers.
look what happened.

[MrSparkle]

Man, the Aminu contract is bad. On the books for $10 million next year.

If he rehabs fully and gets in shape for contract year, he can easily turn into another plus-value expiring.

[beeshma]

I saw Vucevic the other night absolutely destroy the Celtics. He looked every bit an all star on both offense and defense. A smart player with a high motor, polished offensive game, and uses his size to intimidate defensively. We've got a high quality center for the next 3-4 years.

Great job AK! Now go get us a point guard.

[Chi town]

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

We need a follow-up move for this Vuc trade to make sense.

I don't think Lonzo is good enough though. We need a half-court playmaker.

You and I are in 100% agreement about the issues with this trade, and the need for something else to happen before it becomes a “win.”

If we’re done today, I’m not loving this at all.

However, I have a much higher opinion of Ball than you do. And I feel strongly he will continue to improve. So if we get Ball, or another legit playmaker, and are really going “all in” with a new core, I’m sold.

If not, I don’t see the intended endgame. We desperately need a playmaker. If we don’t trade for one now, and just jettisoned our first in a loaded draft, what’s the plan?

Ball is not a playmaker in the half court. He’s a good passer and floor spacer but def not a playmaker.

I think Zach Thad and Vuc give us quite a bit of playmaking. Coby can get his own shot.

[erasmusmrr]

If Zach leaves after next year, that 2023 pick could be quite high.

[wolffy]

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

We need a follow-up move for this Vuc trade to make sense.

I don't think Lonzo is good enough though. We need a half-court playmaker.

You and I are in 100% agreement about the issues with this trade, and the need for something else to happen before it becomes a “win.”

If we’re done today, I’m not loving this at all.

However, I have a much higher opinion of Ball than you do. And I feel strongly he will continue to improve. So if we get Ball, or another legit playmaker, and are really going “all in” with a new core, I’m sold.

If not, I don’t see the intended endgame. We desperately need a playmaker. If we don’t trade for one now, and just jettisoned our first in a loaded draft, what’s the plan?

Could be that he had to make the trade before he had a pg secured. Either way he had to start somehwere, maybe he gets the pg in the offseason if not today.

[HomoSapien]

What an amazing and unexpected news to wale up to! Love this trade. I’ve been clamoring for Vuc for YEARS. He’s a star and people don’t realize how good he is. AK showing he has the juice to pull off what the last team couldn’t. Playoffs baby!!

[coldfish]

At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

Keep in mind that top 4 protection is all you really want and is in no way “meager.” You can only jump up in the lottery into those four slots. If the season ended today, the Bulls could only draft 9 or later if they don’t jump into the top four, and you figure the Bulls’ position is only going to improve as a result of today’s trades.

Basically, top 4 is all you need if the team is going to be halfway decent. This only bites you if you decide to tank in 2022-2023.

Just to back this up, the only way you can draft 5th is if you have one of the worst records in the NBA. Invariably with the new odds, a team or two is going to jump into the lottery from a low position and one of the worst teams is going to draft 5th.

Unless you think that there is a very good chance that Chicago will end up with a bottom 5 record this year or in 3 years, this is functionally top 6-7 protected.