Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

dice · Post #401 » by **dice** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:34 am

"gotta get fields in there. dalton is a statue"

then dalton gets injured scrambling for his life and fields gets sacked 9 times, unable to escape the pocket

Tetlak · Post #402 » by **Tetlak** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:46 am

Nagy has to turn over playcalling to Lazor after this game. I can't fathom any less of an outcome.

NocioniHomie · Post #403 » by **NocioniHomie** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:11 am

It's rotten from the top down.

Ownership - more boring version of HBO's Succession

President - an accountant

GM - Plays 4D chess against himself (trading picks or huge $$ for players no one was interested in first place)

Coach - Better at McDonald's commercials than gameplaning

Defense - Eddie Jackson 13M/yr for someone allergic to tackling

Offense - See p.16-21 of this forum

ST - Megapunt....wait....finally we have someone we can build around

weneeda2guard · Post #404 » by **weneeda2guard** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:32 am

Saw a unique perspective from the post game crew after this bears game

Kaplan and others insinuating that Nagy sabotaged fields on purpose to prove he wasn't ready and validate bringing Dalton back in. Which is the reason for making fields a pocket passer getting nothing with fields on the move etc. Interesting

dice · Post #405 » by **dice** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:46 am

weneeda2guard wrote:Saw a unique perspective from the post game crew after this bears game

Kaplan and others insinuating that Nagy sabotaged fields on purpose to prove he wasn't ready and validate bringing Dalton back in. Which is the reason for making fields a pocket passer getting nothing with fields on the move etc. Interesting

nonsense. was the O-line in on it?

nagy needs to win. he knows that dalton won't accomplish that over the course of the season. he is hoping like hell that fields is successful as soon as possible

Post #406 » by **fleet** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:47 am

weneeda2guard wrote:Saw a unique perspective from the post game crew after this bears game

Kaplan and others insinuating that Nagy sabotaged fields on purpose to prove he wasn't ready and validate bringing Dalton back in. Which is the reason for making fields a pocket passer getting nothing with fields on the move etc. Interesting

That is symptomatic of the extreme level of distrust and hate this guy is generating. Oh, it gets worse.

Susan · Post #407 » by **Susan** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:56 am

Read on Twitter

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Drew Brees saying what everybody else has been saying. Nagy's not gunna survive this ****.

Hold That · Post #408 » by **Hold That** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:19 am

Time to hire Jim harbaugh ..

SHO'NUFF · Post #409 » by **SHO'NUFF** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:02 am

Building around Fields means a lot of losing until that happens.

Post #410 » by **fleet** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:59 am

SHO'NUFF wrote:Building around Fields means a lot of losing until that happens.

Is there a better idea? The only question is who should do it. And there shouldn’t be a debate over the answer

sco · Post #411 » by **sco** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:16 pm

1) Is Nagy a good coach - NO

2) Was he right to not want to start Fields for a while because we have the worst OLine in football - YES. He just wanted Dalton to be the guy taking those hits for at least for first several games until the line can go from horrible to below average.

Bulls69 · Post #412 » by **Bulls69** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:49 pm

dice wrote:
Bulls69 wrote:
fleet wrote:

Read on Twitter

This clown is going to get this kid hurt.

it was nagy that was trying to keep fields OFF the field. he can't do much about the O-line that pretty boy is responsible for

It's also on Nagy too with a young QB you run the ball Monty should had at least 20-25 carries slow the game down for Justin also look at Justin college tapes see what he did well.

moorhosj · Post #413 » by **moorhosj** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:55 pm

dice wrote:nagy needs to win. he knows that dalton won't accomplish that over the course of the season. he is hoping like hell that fields is successful as soon as possible

Or, he thinks Dalton gives him a better chance to win. Based on what we’ve seen, he isn’t wrong. If what you’re saying is true, Fields would have just opened as the starter in week 1.

Post #414 » by **Michael Jackson** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:58 pm

While I loathe Nagy, I am not sure anyone does better with this O Line. It is awful. TBH this isn’t a shocking outcome. Absolutely should have tried to run the ball more and got fields moving more but once again this offensive line is the suck.

Susan · Post #415 » by **Susan** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:00 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:While I loathe Nagy, I am not sure anyone does better with this O Line. It is awful. TBH this isn’t a shocking outcome. Absolutely should have tried to run the ball more and got fields moving more but once again this offensive line is the suck.

If you have that terrible of an offensive line up against a deadly pass rush, don't gameplan an offensive attack that depends on having just 5 O Linemen protecting a rookie QB on the road.

13 of the pass plays were 5 wide from what I heard on the radio today - it's predictable, it puts your week o-line in a bad spot which puts your rookie QB in a bad spot. Myles Garrett is a known game wrecker and Jason Peters is 39 years old - if the offensive staff didn't see this coming they're inept.

Keep the tight ends in, run the damn ball and know your personnel. Even Patrick Mahomes can't be effective with that sort of pressure (see this past Super Bowl).

Post #416 » by **fleet** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:17 pm

sco wrote:1) Is Nagy a good coach - NO

2) Was he right to not want to start Fields for a while because we have the worst OLine in football - YES. He just wanted Dalton to be the guy taking those hits for at least for first several games until the line can go from horrible to below average.

Did Nagy take his horrible scheme into account as well? Doesn’t need to be this bad. This was a conscious choice of misplaced priorities to make the rookie unplayable

ATRAIN53 · Post #417 » by **ATRAIN53** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:22 pm

I didn't even see the game, took my kid the Cubs game, we wanted to see the new kids.
Schwindell and Alcantra are keepers, they have some hope but it just feels odd with no Rizzo, Bryant or Javy.

Not sure what people really expect - CLE is a playoff team.
They were in the AFC title game last year and Baker is looking for his big payday.
Garrett was a #1 pick in his absolute prime. He should be feasting on a rookie QB.
They should have pasted us if they have Super Bowl hopes.....

We play GB in 3 weeks. That's gonna be Fields real first test IF he is still standing.

Post #418 » by **fleet** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:29 pm

moorhosj wrote:
dice wrote:nagy needs to win. he knows that dalton won't accomplish that over the course of the season. he is hoping like hell that fields is successful as soon as possible

Or, he thinks Dalton gives him a better chance to win. Based on what we’ve seen, he isn’t wrong. If what you’re saying is true, Fields would have just opened as the starter in week 1.

That is the wrong read imo. Dalton is just the best choice to run a flawed scheme right now. That could be easily dropped to build around the rookie. What we saw was just the result of stubborn stupidity

beeshma · Post #419 » by **beeshma** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:20 pm

I think that an ancient witch cursed Chicago QBs.

But there is an alternate explanation that involves the psychology of Chicago sports fans. We feel too anxious. We project our own insecurities onto the QB. No man can support the insecurities of 6 millions people, and so our QBs always wilt under the pressure.

micromonkey · Post #420 » by **micromonkey** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:20 pm

So yes a QB with experience as a pocket passer might run Nagy's horrible "system" better.

Nagy's "game-plan" and play calling was like watching a coach stubbornly have Usain Bolt run the marathon instead of the 200.

We think the kid can be good on the move, play action and RPO--but he ran little to none of that and had him sit and step up in the pocket almost as a point of emphasis.

When I watch--yes Fields was bad--but looking at the gameplan and playcalling--and each play--what in each play did we want him to do? Receivers were not getting separation in time and the rush was too fast. There was no play action or sustained run to try and slow down the blitz. Dalton might have done better-- quick short releases he knows much better. But he likely gets what-best case 6 instead of 9 sacks. Throws for 50 more yards, we give up on run all the same and we still lose. But then--is that what we really want--Nagy's gameplan in any way shape or form? If there is absolutely going to be zero adjustments--that is all the info I need--Just fire Nagy today and have Lazor call plays--he won't give up on the run after the half.

Get any HC in offseason. Anyone who is flexible. System doesn't matter --rather if you are going to fit system to personnel or not.

The previous bad example was Martz who wasted and then had FO throw away Olsen because he didn't fit the Air Coryell system he ran (you know the one that Coryell modified because he had Kellen Winslow). That was not system--but lack of adaptation and stubborn adherence to a scheme. Martz at least ran it well in St. Louis when he had almost perfect personnel for it. But change one variable and it was like watching a computer with a divide by zero error-looping and looping and making stupid calls.

So Nagy is an even crappier version of Martz--who is so self unaware of his flaws he falls for them time and time again. Predictable play calling, giving up on the run, zero adjustment to personnel.

I was done with him last year and don't see why he's even here--I don't want to waste a whole season. Even if we are going to sit Fields and play Dalton--I don't want Nagy--his play calling sucks and he continues to have predictable and bad offense.

I'd take Shoop over Nagy at this point--I think he would be better--maybe even trestmen----maybe.....

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