Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

Post #421 » by **GimmeDat** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:52 am

CoreyVillains wrote:These proposals hurt my soul. Terrible. I would rather go the opposite route and try and do what Ainge did when forming the big 3, bringing in complimentary vets in exchange for our young talent.

That would make sense if we had young talent.

HINrichPolice · Post #422 » by **HINrichPolice** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:53 am

Haven't read through most of the thread, but if we're trading Butler, it better be for a Wiggins level young guy + picks.

Unless we can get a pg that can shoot and defend to complement Butler, I do think we have to start with a clean slate if we can't get our act together and build something while Jimmy is in his prime.

MC3 · Post #423 » by **MC3** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:54 am

GimmeDat wrote:
CoreyVillains wrote:These proposals hurt my soul. Terrible. I would rather go the opposite route and try and do what Ainge did when forming the big 3, bringing in complimentary vets in exchange for our young talent.

That would make sense if we had young talent.

We do not have young talent. Our young talent is old for NBA norm, and not only old, but not contributing or really inconsistent. There for they have no real value to get anything decent.

MisterRoy · Post #424 » by **MisterRoy** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:54 am

Kinda shocked nobody has reported anything to really debunk this...

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Post #425 » by **Ice Man** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:56 am

Ctownbulls wrote:Boston with Jimmy wasn't beating Cleveland even before Korver.

I would bet on Thomas/Bradley/Jimmy/Crowder/depth against Cleveland, if Cleveland were missing one of their Big Three. If not, probably not, but I don't think that team is worse than the Indy team that gave Miami a couple of runs. I guess Danny can play the longer game and hope that the Brooklyn picks hit. But unlikely that one of those will be as good as Jimmy today anytime soon.

Hey, it's LeBron with 2 All Stars. This will never be easy.

Post #426 » by **kingkirk** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:02 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
This is dumb. You called him meh and now you're moving the goal posts.

He is meh imo.

I don't think he's anything special at all.

If you think so, then go ahead.

Jokic with 15 points, 8 rebounds and 3 assists in the first half against the Spurs. Must have read your posts.

Post #427 » by **Ice Man** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:05 am

Mark K wrote:Jokic with 15 points, 8 rebounds and 3 assists in the first half against the Spurs. Must have read your posts.

41st pick, damn. He's gonna beat Jimmy and Draymond for bargain pick if he keeps playing like this.

erlim · Post #428 » by **erlim** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:09 am

MisterRoy wrote:Kinda shocked nobody has reported anything to really debunk this...

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I guess it's hard to debunk what's true.

BloodyQ · Post #429 » by **BloodyQ** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:10 am

So they're gonna trade Butler for Jokic???

Why not trade someone else and draft picks for Jokic while keeping Butler here?

Red8911 · Post #430 » by **Red8911** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:11 am

lol reading some of the deals you guys would do is hilarious. It's like they want the bulls to suck. Thank goodness they aren't the GM, or we would be like philly or worse.

Post #431 » by **GimmeDat** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:11 am

Ice Man wrote:
Mark K wrote:Jokic with 15 points, 8 rebounds and 3 assists in the first half against the Spurs. Must have read your posts.

41st pick, damn. He's gonna beat Jimmy and Draymond for bargain pick if he keeps playing like this.

Denver have a really good international scouting group as well, I was looking at the twitter page of their head international scout the other day. There's a really good article on what they're doing here, worth a read -

https://theringer.com/how-the-nuggets-built-their-international-basketball-army-794bee9b6c56#.m501fx4sr

They've been going hard on the European picks for a while now - Nurkic, Jokic, Jeanne, Hernangomez, Laveurgne all within the last few years.

MC3 · Post #432 » by **MC3** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:12 am

BloodyQ wrote:So they're gonna trade Butler for Jokic???

Why not trade someone else and draft picks for Jokic while keeping Butler here?

That's the Bulls problem. We dont have assets. They value Jokic more than our pick, Kings pick or any player we have. Maybe they would want Wade. They wanted him in offseason, but likely to pair with Jokic. And they would certainly not trade Jokic for 35 year old Wade. Again this is Bulls problem. Our picks and assets are garbage. They have no real value to get anything really positive which shows signs of "star".

Our front office put us in position of NBA hell. Either tear it down or float in mediocrity. Unless real star decided to come to Chicago in FA like Blake. But that's Pie in sky plan.

BloodyQ · Post #433 » by **BloodyQ** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:13 am

HINrichPolice wrote:
Unless we can get a pg that can shoot and defend to complement Butler, I do think we have to start with a clean slate if we can't get our act together and build something while Jimmy is in his prime.

I'd rather them go for a shooting PG first.....and then a stretch 4 to compliment Butler.....why not try out those things first before trading Butler?? A top 10 player who worked his ass off, and now you wanna trade him. What a joke.

NADROJ · Post #434 » by **NADROJ** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:16 am

Ice Man wrote:
digitaldropoff wrote:You do know how trading a superstar works, right? You never, ever get the full value or return when moving such a piece.

That's true. Which leads us to Part #2 -- don't trade.

Here's the problem:

The FO had the opportunity to build a team around Jimmy in his prime on a steal of a contract, but failed miserably. The roster around him is so bad at this point, that it simply can't be fixed before Jimmy's player option comes up in 2019. The odds of them striking gold with mid-level draft pick is minuscule as is obtaining a miracle, superstar FA this offseason.

It's a disgrace that we're at this point, but I fail to see how a championship caliber team can be built around Jimmy before he has the option to bolt for greener pastures.

As stupid as it may seem on the surface, to me, trading Jimmy at his peak value makes sense. Add the fact that Boston theoretically makes for the perfect trade partner (Brown, Nets 17', Nets 18') and I get it.

I've seen a lot of people say that there's no way you can acquire 3,4,5 all stars via the lottery all at once. That's correct, but it isn't the point of acquiring multiple lottery picks. Hitting on one star/franchise type player with one of those picks, resets the clock and gives you the chance to do what you failed to do with Jimmy; build a contender around him. It also gets an older or retired Lebron.

Now, not trusting this FO to do any of this is perfectly understandable. But, based on the current disaster of a roster, I do think it's the right move.

jnrjr79 · Post #435 » by **jnrjr79** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:16 am

MisterRoy wrote:Kinda shocked nobody has reported anything to really debunk this...

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The Athletic ran an article with a denial from a Bulls source very promptly saying they are neither making nor receiving calls on Butler.

Red8911 · Post #436 » by **Red8911** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:17 am

BloodyQ wrote:So they're gonna trade Butler for Jokic???

Why not trade someone else and draft picks for Jokic while keeping Butler here?

Yeah they putting up some ridiculous offers, under valuing Jimmy.. For me the only way jimmy
should even considered to be traded is if the bulls get another all star in return like cousins,Derozan,Blake,PG. Those type of deals you think about but Jimmy isn't worth giving away for any picks or average players.

WindyCityBorn · Post #437 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:19 am

If we trade Butler I want Paxson, Gar and Hoiberg all fired the same day. If we are rebuilding I don't want these clowns in charge of it.

Post #438 » by **Ice Man** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:22 am

Red8911 wrote:
BloodyQ wrote:So they're gonna trade Butler for Jokic???

Why not trade someone else and draft picks for Jokic while keeping Butler here?

Yeah they putting up some ridiculous offers, under valuing Jimmy.. For me the only way jimmy
should even considered to be traded is if the bulls get another all star in return like cousins,Derozan,Blake,PG. Those type of deals you think about but Jimmy isn't worth giving away for any picks or average players.

Guys, you should check out Jokic. He might not be worth Jimmy but we could trade everything else we have and it would be a steal if we got Jokic in return. We ain't getting that guy without Jimmy (which I am not saying we should, just saying). The guy looks to be crazy good.

Post #439 » by **DuckIII** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:22 am

I don't understand why they would trade him before taking one shot at free agency, unless someone like Boston gives them EVERYTHING in a rebuild package.

I was a vocal supporter of trading Butler last summer. But he's just too damn good to not at least try the free agency route once.

MisterRoy · Post #440 » by **MisterRoy** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:22 am

jnrjr79 wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:Kinda shocked nobody has reported anything to really debunk this...

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The Athletic ran an article with a denial from a Bulls source very promptly saying they are neither making nor receiving calls on Butler.

Just read it. I am done talking about this now.

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