Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

[Kurt Heimlich]

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Everyone is seeing the same thing. Nobody believes in the guy and I gotta imagine that seeps into the locker room too. For Nagy, at best this Lion's game is a must win. A loss and Nagy being the Chicago Bears head coach by lunchtime Monday is inexcusable.

[Stratmaster]

While I loathe Nagy, I am not sure anyone does better with this O Line. It is awful. TBH this isn’t a shocking outcome. Absolutely should have tried to run the ball more and got fields moving more but once again this offensive line is the suck.

If you have that terrible of an offensive line up against a deadly pass rush, don't gameplan an offensive attack that depends on having just 5 O Linemen protecting a rookie QB on the road.

13 of the pass plays were 5 wide from what I heard on the radio today - it's predictable, it puts your week o-line in a bad spot which puts your rookie QB in a bad spot. Myles Garrett is a known game wrecker and Jason Peters is 39 years old - if the offensive staff didn't see this coming they're inept.

Keep the tight ends in, run the damn ball and know your personnel. Even Patrick Mahomes can't be effective with that sort of pressure (see this past Super Bowl).

Exactly. I am not disappointed at a loss. They were playing a good team and had a rook qb in his first start behind a poor o-line.

What is unexcusable is the game plan didn't take any of that into consideration.

The Bears are supposed to be strong at tight end. Their best offensive player is a running back. The obvious plan to offset the weaknesses would be 2 tight end sets with a solid dose of screen passes and a lot of pocket movement.

Instead...

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[Susan]

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LMAO, this ****

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LMAO, this ****

See, Nagy is not gonna budge. Kansas City runs the same system no matter what just like Nagy. Only difference is…yeah

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While I loathe Nagy, I am not sure anyone does better with this O Line. It is awful. TBH this isn’t a shocking outcome. Absolutely should have tried to run the ball more and got fields moving more but once again this offensive line is the suck.

If you have that terrible of an offensive line up against a deadly pass rush, don't gameplan an offensive attack that depends on having just 5 O Linemen protecting a rookie QB on the road.

13 of the pass plays were 5 wide from what I heard on the radio today - it's predictable, it puts your week o-line in a bad spot which puts your rookie QB in a bad spot. Myles Garrett is a known game wrecker and Jason Peters is 39 years old - if the offensive staff didn't see this coming they're inept.

Keep the tight ends in, run the damn ball and know your personnel. Even Patrick Mahomes can't be effective with that sort of pressure (see this past Super Bowl).

Exactly. I am not disappointed at a loss. They were playing a good team and had a rook qb in his first start behind a poor o-line.

What is unexcusable is the game plan didn't take any of that into consideration.

The Bears are supposed to be strong at tight end. Their best offensive player is a running back. The obvious plan to offset the weaknesses would be 2 tight end sets with a solid dose of screen passes and a lot of pocket movement.

Instead...

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I remember a long while back Nagy said he was getting the TEs involved, said it was his mistake to fix. Unless it was only a week ago. Did anything like that happen? His words are totally meaningless.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Peters is done, they need to find someone, anyone that can move their feet. I know the Browns have great edge rushers but a couple of OT's that can just give a guy another second to process a play would be huge. We do that and hand call playing to Lazor, we'll be better off than we were Sunday. Defense played pretty good until they got tired. Still think we need secondary help though. I'm just trying to be optimistic

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Fields looked like he hurt his thumb.

I saw Fields holding his thumb on his throwing hand. He did go back out there and yeah....

[Susan]

Peters is done, they need to find someone, anyone that can move their feet. I know the Browns have great edge rushers but a couple of OT's that can just give a guy another second to process a play would be huge. We do that and hand call playing to Lazor, we'll be better off than we were Sunday. Defense played pretty good until they got tired. Still think we need secondary help though. I'm just trying to be optimistic

Borom is a week away.

If they keep Nagy as playcaller and bench Fields for Foles, they're going to lose on Sunday.

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National media full on bashing Nagy.

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Everyone is seeing the same thing. Nobody believes in the guy and I gotta imagine that seeps into the locker room too. For Nagy, at best this Lion's game is a must win. A loss and Nagy being the Chicago Bears head coach by lunchtime Monday is inexcusable.

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[Chicago-Bull-E]

I hate Orlofsky as much as anyone that pays attention, but 'negligent' is the best word to use to describe yesterday, which is the word Dan uses.

Not providing any help to Peters time after time was an abomination. Those saying it wasn't on Nagy, it was the players or Cleveland's defense just aren't correct.

I'll put it in a clearer way. If a running back fumbled the ball for the 1st three runs in the game, and had three fumbles, what coach in their right mind would keep running the ball with this running back? And then he continues to fumble the ball the next possession. And the next. And the next.

Peters was that running back. Completely lost, and Nagy just watched it over, and over, and over. It really blows my mind how this was allowed to happen. This team has a dozen tight ends seemingly, and none could be bothered to provide a double team? I'm still in a bit of shock.

Actually surprised Nagy still has a job.

None of this is to say that Fields was good. Or bad. How does he get a grade? Was Allen Robinson good yesterday? Was Montgomery good yesterday?

Also good data on how much coaching matters in the NFL. It matters a boatload.

[dougthonus]

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LMAO, this ****

This is the type of criticism I find weird.

Two of the three QBs are injured. What is weird or wrong about having all three under consideration then? I infer that Foles would only play if the other two can't play based on the fact they explicitly mention the injury status of Fields/Dalton.

I mean he may as well have looked outside and said the sky is blue, and then have fans go, what a dumbass with that crap. I can't believe he'd be putting out that bs blue sky theory again. Under the circumstances, this is a completely innocuous non-controversial statement he made.

[weneeda2guard]

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Everyone is seeing the same thing. Nobody believes in the guy and I gotta imagine that seeps into the locker room too. For Nagy, at best this Lion's game is a must win. A loss and Nagy being the Chicago Bears head coach by lunchtime Monday is inexcusable.

Crazy I was about to come in and post the same thing. They CANNOT lose against the lions. Nagy is getting killed thus morning. Loss to the lions , even worst if fields gets hits and sacked a ton of times Nagy could be gone. Alot of talk of Nagy needing to be gone now.

[dougthonus]

Also good data on how much coaching matters in the NFL. It matters a boatload.

Where is such data? I believe this to be true in the NFL. I'd love to see this data though and understand how people have come to try and conclude how much it matters or even how they segregate which coach gets the credit or blame for things.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

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Matt Nagy; Nick, you’re in against the Lions.
Foles: Nah, I’m good.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Also good data on how much coaching matters in the NFL. It matters a boatload.

Where is such data? I believe this to be true in the NFL. I'd love to see this data though and understand how people have come to try and conclude how much it matters or even how they segregate which coach gets the credit or blame for things.

I’m speaking about the game itself as good data. Maybe testament is a better word than data.

[dougthonus]

I’m speaking about the game itself as good data. Maybe testament is a better word than data.

But it isn't really. It's really difficult to segregate out the gaps in talent. It's also difficult to determine whether it is head coach or assistant coaches. From my view, I haven't seen coaches move from one team to another and achieve similar success.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Also good data on how much coaching matters in the NFL. It matters a boatload.

Where is such data? I believe this to be true in the NFL. I'd love to see this data though and understand how people have come to try and conclude how much it matters or even how they segregate which coach gets the credit or blame for things.

There's a laundry list of things Nagy should have done. And the outcome of what he did do is terrible. Therefore as the headcoach he gets the blame Its not some mystery why coaches get blame or credit. Thats just how it is. If we feel Nagy did everything right and the players did not execute or turned it over, or just didn't give the effort then its on the players. Our eyes tell us this. Same thing goes for the opposite end of the spectrum. This is just some of the most obvious poor coaching that there is no need to question if we should be putting blame on him.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I’m speaking about the game itself as good data. Maybe testament is a better word than data.

But it isn't really. It's really difficult to segregate out the gaps in talent. It's also difficult to determine whether it is head coach or assistant coaches. From my view, I haven't seen coaches move from one team to another and achieve similar success.

So are you saying the majority of people are putting too much weight on the coaching aspect of the game?

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I’m speaking about the game itself as good data. Maybe testament is a better word than data.

But it isn't really. It's really difficult to segregate out the gaps in talent. It's also difficult to determine whether it is head coach or assistant coaches. From my view, I haven't seen coaches move from one team to another and achieve similar success.

We can’t just say it’s too difficult to associate responsibility, so why do it at all?

It is difficult, and I’ve been more pro Nagy than anyone on this board in the offseason. I thought Pace was the crux of the teams problems. I harped on very little effort in the offseason to bolster a very poor offensive line and very poor secondary. Not shockingly, those two departments have been weak.

Yesterday was very different. There are a number of play calling and scheme techniques available to help out in pass protection. If you watched the 49ers yesterday, Garrapolo was in constant trouble and under pressure. Shanahan used probably his best receiver in Kittle to pass protect over and over again. He often lined up closer to a fullback position on the strong defense end side, and had a clear sight line to the DE and blocked effectively.

Not attempting to help out the offensive line in this situation is basically negligible. He watched it over and over, and is the play caller.

If the Bulls played Coby White at center last year, and he got dunked on repeatedly in hilarious fashion, would you say it’s too difficult to place blame? Would you blame the strength and conditioning coach for not building up enough muscle for Coby? Would you blame Coby for being the player out there? Would you blame AK for not getting more centers? You wouldn’t, you’d blame BD because it’s that obvious of a mistake to you, isn’t it? This isn’t any different.