Pat Williams Discussion - Out 4-6 Mo (late Feb to late April)

[bad knees]

howw???!!!! The Mitch foul didn't look THAT hard, jesus christ man

It was the landing.

He landed badly because his dunk movement was awkward.He seems to play scared ,hesitant,he thinks too much before shooting even when wide open , he hesitated for a second before going for dunking giving time for Mitch Robinson´s blocking foul.I hope he can recover well from this injury and can improve his game ,he has obvious skills but won´t be a good NBA player playing scared like that.

Unbelievable that you are blaming Pat's injury on his lack of aggressiveness. He was hit in the face for a flagrant foul while flying in for a dunk - one of the most aggressive plays we have seen from anyone on the team this year.

[SfBull]

This flat out sucks. I was looking forward to seeing what Pat could do this year. I think it's not time to panic yet. I would move Alize into the starting 5, DJJ up in the rotation, and keep Javonte as a spark plug off the bench. We have to be working the phones to see what might be out there that doesn't cost too much. We finally have a team to be excited about and are already banged up after 5 games.

Why not just moving Green for the starting unit?It´d be more simple , playing DJJ and Alize from the bench at 4 with Vuc /Bradley playing at center.It´d be a good choice before getting another big man.

Of course Green moves into the starting lineup. This fascination with Alize is incomprehensible to me. He is a backup C, not a PF. That is obvious from the way he plays, and BD has said as much - that Alize has never played or practiced at the 4 for the Bulls because, in the Bulls system, the 3 and the 4 are interchangeable and alike, and very different from the 5. This is why PWill was able to switch from the 3 to the 4. Alize cannot play offense as a 3/4 - he has no outside shot, he does not cut. He is simply a small back-up 5, and not a very good one at that. He is a gimmick. There is a reason that he, notwithstanding his incredible hustle and rebounding skill, has only played more than 20 minutes in an NBA game four times in his NBA career. There is a reason why he did not get a guaranteed contract.

Agreed and that´s why I´d play Green and DJJ at 4 with Alize playing little time as 4/5.

[HomoSapien]

The truth is that Pat wasn't helping us much on the court so far. His loss hurts more from a depth perspective than an on-court production perspective. So while we'll be thinner upfront, we won't be significantly worse on the floor IMO. Heck, we might even get more production out of Derrick Jones Jr. or whoever gets those minutes.

All that said, if we're looking like a serious playoff team, we'll have to try and fill this void by trading DJJr and a 1st round pick. Certainly, Coby can be part of that, but if we've learned anything about this team, it's that we really don't the greatest depth.

[MGB8]

Best FA options IMO are Patrick Patterson (though he's likely done), DJ Wilson (has flashed but basketball IQ questions), another small-ball guy in Wing James Ennis (meh), seeing if they can lure Jonah Bolden back to playing rather than his blockchain / crypto / NFT venture... or maybe seeing if a few of the the guys who are overseas who might be able to get out of their deals - if they have anything left in the tank...

Maybe also look at guys who Donovan has a history with (again, assuming they have anything left in the tank) - like Andre Roberson (maybe Josh Huestis).

Other than that, a trade for Boucher sounds reasonable - but I think TO is keeping him in the hopes of packaging Siakam for something big.

[bad knees]

howw???!!!! The Mitch foul didn't look THAT hard, jesus christ man

Robinson got a flagrant foul for hitting Patrick in the face as he jumped toward the basket for a dunk. Now Patrick is out for the season. Don't come here trying to minimize what Robinson did.

Honestly I don't think Mitch was trying to hurt him. It was a dangerous play but it's a contact sport and sometimes these types of plays happen. It sucks but it really didn't seem intentionally reckless.

I really hope PW can recover from this both physically and mentally. Kris Dunn was never the same after landing on his face. PW has had issues with being aggresive, and when he finally goes up to show some of that aggression, he's out for the season.

Robinson may not have acted with intent to harm PWill, but he sure as hell acted recklessly. He knew that, by going up to meet Pat in the air like that, that he was going to hit Pat hard, which was likely to cause Pat to land awkwardly. Robinson well knew that an injury like Pat's is a not uncommon result when you make the play that he did.

[The KnicksFix]

Robinson got a flagrant foul for hitting Patrick in the face as he jumped toward the basket for a dunk. Now Patrick is out for the season. Don't come here trying to minimize what Robinson did.

Honestly I don't think Mitch was trying to hurt him. It was a dangerous play but it's a contact sport and sometimes these types of plays happen. It sucks but it really didn't seem intentionally reckless.

I really hope PW can recover from this both physically and mentally. Kris Dunn was never the same after landing on his face. PW has had issues with being aggresive, and when he finally goes up to show some of that aggression, he's out for the season.

Robinson may not have acted with intent to harm PWill, but he sure as hell acted recklessly. He knew that, by going up to meet Pat in the air like that, that he was going to hit Pat hard, which was likely to cause Pat to land awkwardly. Robinson well knew that an injury like Pat's is a not uncommon result when you make the play that he did.

I agree, as a knick fan I was disappointed that Mitch lead with the right arm to block, he could have just gone straight up, bone headed play from Mitch man
He of all people should know not to try to get after another player and put them at risk for injury

[umfan83]

Do you think the Bulls wait a bit for the market to set itself before making a move? Could be well under .500 after this stretch if we don't make any move

[drosestruts]

meathead take incoming - but I hope we put Robinson on his ass in the next game. Not calling for an attempt to injure, but he should receive one good hard foul.

[FriedRise]

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[SalmonsSuperfan]

Really feel for the guy, this sucks, but I think the bulls actually improve when he doesn’t play…

[bad knees]

Honestly I don't think Mitch was trying to hurt him. It was a dangerous play but it's a contact sport and sometimes these types of plays happen. It sucks but it really didn't seem intentionally reckless.

I really hope PW can recover from this both physically and mentally. Kris Dunn was never the same after landing on his face. PW has had issues with being aggresive, and when he finally goes up to show some of that aggression, he's out for the season.

Robinson may not have acted with intent to harm PWill, but he sure as hell acted recklessly. He knew that, by going up to meet Pat in the air like that, that he was going to hit Pat hard, which was likely to cause Pat to land awkwardly. Robinson well knew that an injury like Pat's is a not uncommon result when you make the play that he did.

I agree, as a knick fan I was disappointed that Mitch lead with the right arm to block, he could have just gone straight up, bone headed play from Mitch man
He of all people should know not to try to get after another player and put them at risk for injury

Thank you for acknowledging that.

[BigUps]

This hurts more from a development standpoint than production on the court. I feel terrible for the kid.

[dawhizz]

I don’t know that he’s ready, but maybe Simonovic gets some minor minutes?

[Grodoboldo]

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@WestSportsPT: Not good news. Perilunate dislocations are high energy and often are devastating. Potential to cause lifelong disability of the wrist with median nerve ramifications.

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FFS, we're **** out of luck

[RoseTheFuture22]

The truth is that Pat wasn't helping us much on the court so far. His loss hurts more from a depth perspective than an on-court production perspective. So while we'll be thinner upfront, we won't be significantly worse on the floor IMO. Heck, we might even get more production out of Derrick Jones Jr. or whoever gets those minutes.

All that said, if we're looking like a serious playoff team, we'll have to try and fill this void by trading DJJr and a 1st round pick. Certainly, Coby can be part of that, but if we've learned anything about this team, it's that we really don't the greatest depth.

I agree, offensively I don't think this hurts our production that much. Defensively I think it will be felt a little bit more, even though he wasn't rebounding we will miss his ability to switch, guard bigger wings(which we were struggling with already) and protect the rim a little bit.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I’m totally opposed to trading yet another 1st rounder for a Pat replacement.

We played four bad teams and got smacked by the first real one. Can we make sure this roster is good first?

[Jvaughn]

Do you think the Bulls wait a bit for the market to set itself before making a move? Could be well under .500 after this stretch if we don't make any move

The better question is can we afford to wait? We'll likely be under .500 after this gauntlet, but with the increased competition in the East this year, we can't fall too far back. Gonna be a helluva hole to pull ourselves out of.

And as was mentioned earlier, Pat being out hurts us most from a depth perspective. Even if we decide to go with DJJ in the rotation in place of PAW, we were already thin upfront. We have got to add some legit size.

[Andi Obst]

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@WestSportsPT: Not good news. Perilunate dislocations are high energy and often are devastating. Potential to cause lifelong disability of the wrist with median nerve ramifications.

#Bulls #BullsNation https://t.co/mF2KOFCkPG

FFS, we're **** out of luck

Logging off for the night. I just can't.

[Dieselbound&Down]

2 way players are Devon Dotson (G) and Tyler Cook (F). Cook is the obvious like for like to bring in. I assume he gets a short term look?

Bulls need to waive someone to add a new player.
- Does this include 2 way players?
- If they waive a 2 way player can they add someone new that way?

Curious how all that works.

[Grodoboldo]

I’m totally opposed to trading yet another 1st rounder for a Pat replacement.

We played four bad teams and got smacked by the first real one. Can we make sure this roster is good first?

I echo this feeling. Next man up, let's play the season and see where we are.
I'm not opposed to getting someone on the BO market, or even in a small trade with bench guys, but I would not spend draft capital for anything other than a serious upgrade (top half at his position or all star).