NBA Trade Thread #12

[WesPeace]

I dont see any trade for any vet player over 32yrs old, especially with salaries over 50M heh.. they dont fit our timeline at all and building around younger players aka Giddey, Matas, maybe White..

[Dan Z]

Thomas who?

And Kuminga was an idiot for turning down $5yrs/$150 mill. there's no way for him to get even close to that without Brooklyn making a over market offer or GS be willing to take that much cap back in a S&T. He can't even get a 5 year contract from another team. Caleb martin made the same mistake, turned down $5yrs/$65 mill from the Heat, ended up getting 4 yrs/$32 mill from 76'ers. Going to be hard for Kuminga to see more than $20 mill AAV this offseason, imo.

We're talking about for Vucevic. Like I said not familiar with Kuminga outside his stats look good, but I know the general opinion of Vuc in here. So Kuminga's a worse option for this team than Vucevic for the same money? Kuminga's so bad, y'all prefer another year with Vucevic likely starting?

Cam Thomas, likely. RFA. Younger and slightly better stats than Coby.

Got you. He's worth at least $30-$40 mill current market, imo. But Brooklyn holds all the cards, nobody else can pay him. Playing hardball isn't always the best move re-signing a young guy for years. I think they settle at the $30 mill, and that's mostly because I think Giddey gets that amount and his agent uses that as a benchmark. They might get as low as $25 mill AAV, but they have so much cap space, it's hard to cry broke, lol.

If they make Giddey a big contract offer, think that makes the likelihood of Thomas accepting a low ball offer less likely. Players take stuff like that personally. One of those rare situations a guy might actually play on his QO, knowing a ton of teams have cap in 2026. They'd pretty much have to trade him next season at that point. So he does have SOME leverage.

Are you saying that Brookly will re-sign Cam Thomas for $30 million a year? That seems crazy to me. He played 25 games this season and has generally been on losing teams.

[drosestruts]

I actually think some good, playable vets is almost exactly what this team need

Vuc is our only rotation player over 27 years old, and well, I can't stand Vuc.

Now I don't think Dame or Beal are necessarily the right targets to fill that void (granted I would eat two years of Beal if it came with a lot of draft picks, but the Suns don't have enough picks for me to care, so I don't)

I'm someone who thinks Detroits leap this year had far more to do with the additions of Tobias Harris, Malik Beasley, and to a lesser extent Tim Hardway Jr and Scroder than the internal improvements of their young guys.

If our team is healthy (big if) I'd lock in Giddey, Ball, and Matas as starters. I'd love to find some veteran players that can fit in around those three guys. We'll have limited cap space, but we will have unending expiring contracts that could be valuable in a trade.

Let's start with some veteran free agents I think could be under the radar signings the way Beasley, who was only paid $6m, has been for Detroit.


1. Malik Beasley - going to assume he stays in Detroit, but who knows. I'd welcome his 319 3's made on 41% shooting any day.

2. Malcolm Brogdon - Brogdons been injured and stuck on tanking team not playing vets. I'd be curious to see what he still has in the tank. There's a version of Brogdon that fits this team great.

3. Naz Ried - Minnesota failed to keep KAT due to money issues. Could a sign and trade for Naz be a possibility?

4. Matisse Thbulle - he's got a player option. We'd have the Australia connection with Giddey. I think his defense is comparable to Caruso and Daniels'.

5. Dante Exum - another 3&d guard, I have a type.

6. Ty Jerome - has been great in Cleveland. His ready for a bigger role and a raise.

7. Torrey Craig - I loved Craig here and would take him back in a second.


This list does highlight how depressing the free agent center class is. Could be good news for us if we try to move Vucevic.

[sco]

I actually think some good, playable vets is almost exactly what this team need

Vuc is our only rotation player over 27 years old, and well, I can't stand Vuc.

Now I don't think Dame or Beal are necessarily the right targets to fill that void (granted I would eat two years of Beal if it came with a lot of draft picks, but the Suns don't have enough picks for me to care, so I don't)

I'm someone who thinks Detroits leap this year had far more to do with the additions of Tobias Harris, Malik Beasley, and to a lesser extent Tim Hardway Jr and Scroder than the internal improvements of their young guys.

If our team is healthy (big if) I'd lock in Giddey, Ball, and Matas as starters. I'd love to find some veteran players that can fit in around those three guys. We'll have limited cap space, but we will have unending expiring contracts that could be valuable in a trade.

Let's start with some veteran free agents I think could be under the radar signings the way Beasley, who was only paid $6m, has been for Detroit.


1. Malik Beasley - going to assume he stays in Detroit, but who knows. I'd welcome his 319 3's made on 41% shooting any day.

2. Malcolm Brogdon - Brogdons been injured and stuck on tanking team not playing vets. I'd be curious to see what he still has in the tank. There's a version of Brogdon that fits this team great.

3. Naz Ried - Minnesota failed to keep KAT due to money issues. Could a sign and trade for Naz be a possibility?

4. Matisse Thbulle - he's got a player option. We'd have the Australia connection with Giddey. I think his defense is comparable to Caruso and Daniels'.

5. Dante Exum - another 3&d guard, I have a type.

6. Ty Jerome - has been great in Cleveland. His ready for a bigger role and a raise.

7. Torrey Craig - I loved Craig here and would take him back in a second.


This list does highlight how depressing the free agent center class is. Could be good news for us if we try to move Vucevic.

I don't see us doing anything in FA this offseason (unfortunately - best case we retain Jones). Adding some of those guys would be big boost. Getting rid of Vuc would be a bigger one but I see no team that could BOTH offer matching salary in a trade and would want him. I thought LAL or GS were possible, but LAL shifted their C need from offense to defense and GS no longer has viable salary to trade.

[ChettheJet]

I actually think some good, playable vets is almost exactly what this team need

Vuc is our only rotation player over 27 years old, and well, I can't stand Vuc.

Now I don't think Dame or Beal are necessarily the right targets to fill that void (granted I would eat two years of Beal if it came with a lot of draft picks, but the Suns don't have enough picks for me to care, so I don't)

I'm someone who thinks Detroits leap this year had far more to do with the additions of Tobias Harris, Malik Beasley, and to a lesser extent Tim Hardway Jr and Scroder than the internal improvements of their young guys.

If our team is healthy (big if) I'd lock in Giddey, Ball, and Matas as starters. I'd love to find some veteran players that can fit in around those three guys. We'll have limited cap space, but we will have unending expiring contracts that could be valuable in a trade.

Let's start with some veteran free agents I think could be under the radar signings the way Beasley, who was only paid $6m, has been for Detroit.


1. Malik Beasley - going to assume he stays in Detroit, but who knows. I'd welcome his 319 3's made on 41% shooting any day.

2. Malcolm Brogdon - Brogdons been injured and stuck on tanking team not playing vets. I'd be curious to see what he still has in the tank. There's a version of Brogdon that fits this team great.

3. Naz Ried - Minnesota failed to keep KAT due to money issues. Could a sign and trade for Naz be a possibility?

4. Matisse Thbulle - he's got a player option. We'd have the Australia connection with Giddey. I think his defense is comparable to Caruso and Daniels'.

5. Dante Exum - another 3&d guard, I have a type.

6. Ty Jerome - has been great in Cleveland. His ready for a bigger role and a raise.

7. Torrey Craig - I loved Craig here and would take him back in a second.


This list does highlight how depressing the free agent center class is. Could be good news for us if we try to move Vucevic.

I'm just about with you on adding some role playing veterans, they've got to come cheap. I'm also seeing very little FA space to fit them in. All the expiring contracts either go for better, signed long term veterans this summer, I don't favor moving them at the deadline or they can expire next summer for cap space.

But your list of guys to like, is very guard heavy. Each of them can be of a help to the Bulls but we can't stay at 9 guards on the roster and surely can't add more. You have to name the guards you'd want to move out before even considering new faces. The problem with Vuc is less about age and more about we've seen his game, we can move on from him since Collins and Smith are ready. Now what they can get back for him dictates what other moves can and need to be made.

As it stands now:
I want to resign Giddey
Unless they get a lot for Coby, he's a keeper
Lonzo is signed for 2? years
Huerter is expiring but man he looked like he belonged
I'm making Tre Jones an offer
I'll trade Ayo not knowing who would be interested
got no problem bringing back THT, he's a good spark plug when called upon, he's not complaining about NOT being called every game
I'd like to move Carter, I am ready to move on from Terry in hopes of adding size up front and/or a real shooter

[pipfan]

I still think Ayo to BRK for the #26 works
We save money and get a late pick (would Riley last that long?)

BRK needs players, and Ayo fits with Cam Thomas. They have 4 1sts and need vets

[sco]

I still think Ayo to BRK for the #26 works
We save money and get a late pick (would Riley last that long?)

BRK needs players, and Ayo fits with Cam Thomas. They have 4 1sts and need vets

I'd add our 2nd to get that done! I'd add 2 2nds if they take Carter too!

[jnrjr79]

I still think Ayo to BRK for the #26 works
We save money and get a late pick (would Riley last that long?)

BRK needs players, and Ayo fits with Cam Thomas. They have 4 1sts and need vets

I'd be concerned that Ayo is the kind of guy you're going to need if Giddey is re-signed, for fit reasons. Not ball dominant, defends, and hopefully can shoot the 3-ball reasonably well (though he's been up and down there).

[Infinity2152]

Cam Thomas, likely. RFA. Younger and slightly better stats than Coby.

Got you. He's worth at least $30-$40 mill current market, imo. But Brooklyn holds all the cards, nobody else can pay him. Playing hardball isn't always the best move re-signing a young guy for years. I think they settle at the $30 mill, and that's mostly because I think Giddey gets that amount and his agent uses that as a benchmark. They might get as low as $25 mill AAV, but they have so much cap space, it's hard to cry broke, lol.

If they make Giddey a big contract offer, think that makes the likelihood of Thomas accepting a low ball offer less likely. Players take stuff like that personally. One of those rare situations a guy might actually play on his QO, knowing a ton of teams have cap in 2026. They'd pretty much have to trade him next season at that point. So he does have SOME leverage.

Are you saying that Brookly will re-sign Cam Thomas for $30 million a year? That seems crazy to me. He played 25 games this season and has generally been on losing teams.

Generally base estimates on what similar type, similar age players get: Assuming Coby White' probable market value between $25-$30 mill

White per 36: 22.2 pts, 4 rbs, 4.8 assts PER 15.5 Age 25 6'5 small SG
Thomas per 36: 27.6 pts, 3.8 rbs, 4.3 assts PER 18 Age 23 6'3" small SG

Plus Brooklyn has a ton of money, which increases the likelihood of hm getting a rich offer from his own team, imo. Don't think the losing teams matters, the talent level on the Nets, they were supposed to be a losing team. He played 67, 56, 66 the previous seasons, 35 is far from his norm.

[Chi town]

Vuc and Spurs are a great match for Vuc’s sunset. Wemby insurance too.

I am actually hopeful we will find someone for Vuc. We just won’t get more than a 1st and will probably have to take a meh contract

[Chi town]

I still think Ayo to BRK for the #26 works
We save money and get a late pick (would Riley last that long?)

BRK needs players, and Ayo fits with Cam Thomas. They have 4 1sts and need vets

I'd be concerned that Ayo is the kind of guy you're going to need if Giddey is re-signed, for fit reasons. Not ball dominant, defends, and hopefully can shoot the 3-ball reasonably well (though he's been up and down there).

Don’t see AK trading Ayo because he’s an AK pick and he’s a hometown kid. He could be really good matched with new Giddey.

I see Ayo leading the bench mob and making Zo a trade piece.

I’d be all for trading him for a late first though.

[Infinity2152]

Ayo's cheap enough and fits well enough to just keep, imo. Even with no improvement, he's more likely a productive NBA player than what you get at 26.

Even if the low pick rookie is equal to Ayo, may take him years to get there. Our clock for building a solid team starts when we pay Giddey. Ayo could be more valuable as a player at a good price over the next few years, if he can get back to year 2-3 Ayo.

[jnrjr79]

Vuc and Spurs are a great match for Vuc’s sunset. Wemby insurance too.

I am actually hopeful we will find someone for Vuc. We just won’t get more than a 1st and will probably have to take a meh contract

I doubt the Bulls will be willing to take on non-expiring money for Vooch.

[Chi town]

Vuc and Spurs are a great match for Vuc’s sunset. Wemby insurance too.

I am actually hopeful we will find someone for Vuc. We just won’t get more than a 1st and will probably have to take a meh contract

I doubt the Bulls will be willing to take on non-expiring money for Vooch.

I’d agree but if they can play or they come with a pick… maybe

[Infinity2152]

Buls will have some exceptions to play with this offseason without taking on long term cap. Should be able to fill the roster nicely with vets. There's no cap space in the league, so there should be some great mid-range, low range deals this summer.

[sco]

Buls will have some exceptions to play with this offseason without taking on long term cap. Should be able to fill the roster nicely with vets. There's no cap space in the league, so there should be some great mid-range, low range deals this summer.

except we don't have any roster spots.

[Infinity2152]

Buls will have some exceptions to play with this offseason without taking on long term cap. Should be able to fill the roster nicely with vets. There's no cap space in the league, so there should be some great mid-range, low range deals this summer.

except we don't have any roster spots.

You are definitely right. Stil hoping Carter just opts out. Is Dalen Terry's contract a team option?

[sco]

Buls will have some exceptions to play with this offseason without taking on long term cap. Should be able to fill the roster nicely with vets. There's no cap space in the league, so there should be some great mid-range, low range deals this summer.

except we don't have any roster spots.

You are definitely right. Stil hoping Carter just opts out. Is Dalen Terry's contract a team option?

Carter won't opt out...NFW he finds a $6.5M deal, but I could see a buyout at a discount like $3.5M (based on him getting a vet min deal elsewhere). We exercised Terry's option this past season for next season

[Ccwatercraft]

except we don't have any roster spots.

You are definitely right. Stil hoping Carter just opts out. Is Dalen Terry's contract a team option?

Carter won't opt out...NFW he finds a $6.5M deal, but I could see a buyout at a discount like $3.5M (based on him getting a vet min deal elsewhere). We exercised Terry's option this past season for next season

Assuming we need the roster space to sign or grade for an upgrade (with size) I'd be fine if they just.waived Carter or even stretched him. Terry is frustrating and a bit more costly to move on from but if he left I wouldn't shed tears.

[WesPeace]

Vucevic traded for 2nd rounder/s - one spot opens
Carter not picking up his p.o. or eventually streched, two spots open
THT not resigned - third spot opens
We can use trade exception worth around 17M..

We currently have 11 players signed, Giddey, Jones, draft pick would put as at 14.

One team that probably nobody watches as probable Vucevic destination is Milwaukee I think. Brook is already 37 and with Giannis at PF, they can have a bit more offensive center. Just imho.. team to watch