Bears 12.0

[fleet]

This could be drama. Look JJ, you signed that contract now honor it. I hope we don't have to wind up considering a trade sooner or later.


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Jaylon is on the soft tissue injury list to open camp. His hiney hurts

[fleet]

Evidence for that???

Joe Thuney, Jonah Jackson, Drew Dalman and Ozzy Trapilo are all Chicago Bears now.

That's more movement and resources dedicated to the OL than any other offseason of the Poles era by far.

Ben was right. The OL was in desperate need of an overhaul. Strong collaborations between coach and GM can be healthy. We just have to hope that the two of them together bring out the best in each other.

A lot less of a classic collaboration, more like Ben logging on Grubhub when he needs something delivered.

I can’t see Ben signing off on some questionable things we have seen recently. His judgement will hopefully bring up the performance level in the front office. Ben’s coaching hires appear high functioning. Hopefully the Bears coach-hiring shenanigans are now over. Nobody is perfect, I have questions about what Ben is doing with the Loveland pick. It seems like a luxury, but my impression of Ben Johnson’s bandwidth and aptitude would indicate that the really boneheaded things the Bears have done in recent years will be diminished going forward, leaving the more productive decision making as a predominant feature of what the Bears do. However I generally had good first impressions of Pace, Nagy, and Poles, and that’s been abused.

[CjayC]

This could be drama. Look JJ, you signed that contract now honor it. I hope we don't have to wind up considering a trade sooner or later.


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Jaylon is on the soft tissue injury list to open camp. His hiney hurts

If it's anyone that deserves time off it's him tho

[sco]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/bears-qb-gets-bad-injury-011012094.html

Keenum injured. Is Bagent still on the roster?

[TheJordanRule]

Or maybe he wanted to right his wrongs from the previous two years? Even when you approve of moves you’re reluctant to give him credit. “It must be the new guys”.

Which basically mean any positive move going forward it’s all Ben Johnson. As if Poles didn’t create the roster that appealed to Ben Johnson to choose the Bears

And of course, Ben Johnson had absolutely nothing to do with Poles manipulating the roster in such a manner that allowed the Bears to put $50 mil into the O-line.

First of all, the Bears aren’t paying a quarterback. Let’s just get that out there front and center. The Packers OTOH are paying a QB, and have about 35 million in cap space left.

Dumping salary and tearing down the roster is easy. Spending the resulting cap space wisely is the hard part to come. Tanking and dumping old salary for 3 years of mediocre roster construction is now called masterful “Manipulating the roster”? Managing the cap of a bottom barrel team of young players and rookie deal QB after a salary purge is GM child’s play. The good teams are the challenge to manage cap.

Anyway, Poles has signed like 11 long term deals and I don’t know if there was or will be 50% reasonable ROI. And it’s a stretch. As the team begins to win (if) after onboarding better talent that needs to be paid, that’s when Poles will show how good he is at managing the salary cap. We don’t know this answer because we have not seen the evidence. If anything, we have seen Poles shoot himself in the foot more than once on contracts, while also signing a couple market value deals. A mixed bag at best. And also, the practice of trading draft picks for high salaries is not generally considered financially advantageous cap management .

I feel you on this, Fleet. The most important tests are waiting for Poles after this year. But I'm pumped about this year. Aren't you? Where do you think we wind up? I'm betting we're in the upper half of the league, with a postseason playoff appearance locked in. This year is gonna be the start of our growth. CW IS KOBE, brothers!

[biggestbullsfan]

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I’m guessing PR/KR?

[fleet]

And of course, Ben Johnson had absolutely nothing to do with Poles manipulating the roster in such a manner that allowed the Bears to put $50 mil into the O-line.

First of all, the Bears aren’t paying a quarterback. Let’s just get that out there front and center. The Packers OTOH are paying a QB, and have about 35 million in cap space left.

Dumping salary and tearing down the roster is easy. Spending the resulting cap space wisely is the hard part to come. Tanking and dumping old salary for 3 years of mediocre roster construction is now called masterful “Manipulating the roster”? Managing the cap of a bottom barrel team of young players and rookie deal QB after a salary purge is GM child’s play. The good teams are the challenge to manage cap.

Anyway, Poles has signed like 11 long term deals and I don’t know if there was or will be 50% reasonable ROI. And it’s a stretch. As the team begins to win (if) after onboarding better talent that needs to be paid, that’s when Poles will show how good he is at managing the salary cap. We don’t know this answer because we have not seen the evidence. If anything, we have seen Poles shoot himself in the foot more than once on contracts, while also signing a couple market value deals. A mixed bag at best. And also, the practice of trading draft picks for high salaries is not generally considered financially advantageous cap management .

I feel you on this, Fleet. The most important tests are waiting for Poles after this year. But I'm pumped about this year. Aren't you? Where do you think we wind up? I'm betting we're in the upper half of the league, with a postseason playoff appearance locked in. This year is gonna be the start of our growth. CW IS KOBE, brothers!

I just have a feeling they are a year away from having the season that a number of people are expecting this year. Only based on a new coaching staff, and a quarterback that has to both absorb a new offense, and show improvement in the pocket. If they had a great defense it would be easier to have the dream for me. The defense should be above average, maybe even approaching good if a few things go right. But While NFL teams can go from worst to first occasionally, going from bad to good and skipping over average doesn’t happen the majority of times. The Bears have some talent but IDK about it being developed playoffs talent. I hope you’re right. A magical year would be 10 wins. I have to go with a 9 win ceiling if Caleb makes a big jump, a 7 win floor, and a probable 8 win year.

[Dominator83]

First of all, the Bears aren’t paying a quarterback. Let’s just get that out there front and center. The Packers OTOH are paying a QB, and have about 35 million in cap space left.

Dumping salary and tearing down the roster is easy. Spending the resulting cap space wisely is the hard part to come. Tanking and dumping old salary for 3 years of mediocre roster construction is now called masterful “Manipulating the roster”? Managing the cap of a bottom barrel team of young players and rookie deal QB after a salary purge is GM child’s play. The good teams are the challenge to manage cap.

Anyway, Poles has signed like 11 long term deals and I don’t know if there was or will be 50% reasonable ROI. And it’s a stretch. As the team begins to win (if) after onboarding better talent that needs to be paid, that’s when Poles will show how good he is at managing the salary cap. We don’t know this answer because we have not seen the evidence. If anything, we have seen Poles shoot himself in the foot more than once on contracts, while also signing a couple market value deals. A mixed bag at best. And also, the practice of trading draft picks for high salaries is not generally considered financially advantageous cap management .

I feel you on this, Fleet. The most important tests are waiting for Poles after this year. But I'm pumped about this year. Aren't you? Where do you think we wind up? I'm betting we're in the upper half of the league, with a postseason playoff appearance locked in. This year is gonna be the start of our growth. CW IS KOBE, brothers!

I just have a feeling they are a year away from having the season that a number of people are expecting this year. Only based on a new coaching staff, and a quarterback that has to both absorb a new offense, and show improvement in the pocket. If they had a great defense it would be easier to have the dream for me. The defense should be above average, maybe even approaching good if a few things go right. But While NFL teams can go from worst to first occasionally, going from bad to good and skipping over average doesn’t happen the majority of times. The Bears have some talent but IDK about it being developed playoffs talent. I hope you’re right. A magical year would be 10 wins. I have to go with a 9 win ceiling if Caleb makes a big jump, a 7 win floor, and a probable 8 win year.

Its gonna be the same bullcrap as any other time. Caleb is gonna show to be a bust or semi-bust, and everyone is gonna say its Ben Johnson's fault for being a **** coach. Just like it was Nagy's fault that Mitch sucked, and Flus' fault that Fields sucked, and Waldron's fault that Caleb sucked last year while Daniels went to the NFC championship game. Its a tale as old as time for Bears fans. Our Qbs always suck, and its always the coach and never the QB themselves.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I feel you on this, Fleet. The most important tests are waiting for Poles after this year. But I'm pumped about this year. Aren't you? Where do you think we wind up? I'm betting we're in the upper half of the league, with a postseason playoff appearance locked in. This year is gonna be the start of our growth. CW IS KOBE, brothers!

I just have a feeling they are a year away from having the season that a number of people are expecting this year. Only based on a new coaching staff, and a quarterback that has to both absorb a new offense, and show improvement in the pocket. If they had a great defense it would be easier to have the dream for me. The defense should be above average, maybe even approaching good if a few things go right. But While NFL teams can go from worst to first occasionally, going from bad to good and skipping over average doesn’t happen the majority of times. The Bears have some talent but IDK about it being developed playoffs talent. I hope you’re right. A magical year would be 10 wins. I have to go with a 9 win ceiling if Caleb makes a big jump, a 7 win floor, and a probable 8 win year.

It’s gonna be the same bullcrap as any other time. Caleb is gonna show to be a bust or semi-bust, and everyone is gonna say it’s Ben Johnson's fault for being a **** coach. Just like it was Nagy's fault that Mitch sucked, and Flus' fault that Fields sucked, and Waldron's fault that Caleb sucked last year while Daniels went to the NFC championship game. It’s a tale as old as time for Bears fans. Our Qbs always suck, and it’s always the coach and never the QB themselves.

Perhaps I’m a bit biased, but I happen to think that despite the obvious room to grow, Caleb wasn’t “bad” last season. It just looks that way in comparison to Daniels who had a phenomenal season.

Additionally, I think you are grossly underestimating just how bad of a HC Flus was. He made Nagy look like freaking Bellichek. He was that kind of bad and everyone from the front office to Staley the Bear knew it. So I don’t think that it’s all that far fetched to feel like there is a real opportunity for improvement as soon as this year. Now, how much improvement? That’s the real debate.

[dice]

I just have a feeling they are a year away from having the season that a number of people are expecting this year. Only based on a new coaching staff, and a quarterback that has to both absorb a new offense, and show improvement in the pocket. If they had a great defense it would be easier to have the dream for me. The defense should be above average, maybe even approaching good if a few things go right. But While NFL teams can go from worst to first occasionally, going from bad to good and skipping over average doesn’t happen the majority of times. The Bears have some talent but IDK about it being developed playoffs talent. I hope you’re right. A magical year would be 10 wins. I have to go with a 9 win ceiling if Caleb makes a big jump, a 7 win floor, and a probable 8 win year.

It’s gonna be the same bullcrap as any other time. Caleb is gonna show to be a bust or semi-bust, and everyone is gonna say it’s Ben Johnson's fault for being a **** coach. Just like it was Nagy's fault that Mitch sucked, and Flus' fault that Fields sucked, and Waldron's fault that Caleb sucked last year while Daniels went to the NFC championship game. It’s a tale as old as time for Bears fans. Our Qbs always suck, and it’s always the coach and never the QB themselves.

Perhaps I’m a bit biased, but I happen to think that despite the obvious room to grow, Caleb wasn’t “bad” last season. It just looks that way in comparison to Daniels who had a phenomenal season.

he was off-the-charts bad at getting rid of the ball under pressure. and bad on deep balls too. fortunately, both things should markedly improve

Additionally, I think you are grossly underestimating just how bad of a HC Flus was. He made Nagy look like freaking Bellichek. He was that kind of bad and everyone from the front office to Staley the Bear knew it. So I don’t think that it’s all that far fetched to feel like there is a real opportunity for improvement as soon as this year. Now, how much improvement? That’s the real debate.

he was bad, but he at least kept the defense in order for the most part

[fleet]

By the workout video score, Burden seems ahead of Loveland as far as being a more heavy contributor early on. Not that he doesn’t have more competition for reps than Loveland does. It will be an interesting race for the top rookie on offense.

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[patryk7754]

haven't been on that much lately, so idk if its already been thrown out there, but i think it could be worthwhile to see if we can trade for Shemar Stewart. I wouldn't trade a 1st or 2nd for him so that might be the end of the convo, but if he does decide to not play for the bangles, they would be out a 1st round pick (or at lleast i would assume so, not really sure how it works if your draft pick doesnt sign with you) so it would probably be worth to cut their loses and trade him for whatever. We get a 1st-round DE for relatively nothing.

[molepharmer]

Bears presser right now: Poles, Ben, Caleb and Grady
Poles mentioned Jaylon has leg issue, may miss a few weeks but nothing long term. Said Braxton and Loveland should be good to go after a short ramp up.

edit: Caleb either forgot about the presser or seems to have gotten lost.....

[TheJordanRule]

I feel you on this, Fleet. The most important tests are waiting for Poles after this year. But I'm pumped about this year. Aren't you? Where do you think we wind up? I'm betting we're in the upper half of the league, with a postseason playoff appearance locked in. This year is gonna be the start of our growth. CW IS KOBE, brothers!

I just have a feeling they are a year away from having the season that a number of people are expecting this year. Only based on a new coaching staff, and a quarterback that has to both absorb a new offense, and show improvement in the pocket. If they had a great defense it would be easier to have the dream for me. The defense should be above average, maybe even approaching good if a few things go right. But While NFL teams can go from worst to first occasionally, going from bad to good and skipping over average doesn’t happen the majority of times. The Bears have some talent but IDK about it being developed playoffs talent. I hope you’re right. A magical year would be 10 wins. I have to go with a 9 win ceiling if Caleb makes a big jump, a 7 win floor, and a probable 8 win year.

Its gonna be the same bullcrap as any other time. Caleb is gonna show to be a bust or semi-bust, and everyone is gonna say its Ben Johnson's fault for being a **** coach. Just like it was Nagy's fault that Mitch sucked, and Flus' fault that Fields sucked, and Waldron's fault that Caleb sucked last year while Daniels went to the NFC championship game. Its a tale as old as time for Bears fans. Our Qbs always suck, and its always the coach and never the QB themselves.

Come tf on, brother. You know that ain't right. You are harshing my mellow, homie. Personally Mitch wasn't half bad to me, but Mitch never had the tools that Caleb does. We're going to be the KC of the East.

[Dominator83]

I just have a feeling they are a year away from having the season that a number of people are expecting this year. Only based on a new coaching staff, and a quarterback that has to both absorb a new offense, and show improvement in the pocket. If they had a great defense it would be easier to have the dream for me. The defense should be above average, maybe even approaching good if a few things go right. But While NFL teams can go from worst to first occasionally, going from bad to good and skipping over average doesn’t happen the majority of times. The Bears have some talent but IDK about it being developed playoffs talent. I hope you’re right. A magical year would be 10 wins. I have to go with a 9 win ceiling if Caleb makes a big jump, a 7 win floor, and a probable 8 win year.

Its gonna be the same bullcrap as any other time. Caleb is gonna show to be a bust or semi-bust, and everyone is gonna say its Ben Johnson's fault for being a **** coach. Just like it was Nagy's fault that Mitch sucked, and Flus' fault that Fields sucked, and Waldron's fault that Caleb sucked last year while Daniels went to the NFC championship game. Its a tale as old as time for Bears fans. Our Qbs always suck, and its always the coach and never the QB themselves.

Come tf on, brother. You know that ain't right. You are harshing my mellow, homie. Personally Mitch wasn't half bad to me, but Mitch never had the tools that Caleb does. We're going to be the KC of the East.

We're still the Bears, until proven otherwise!

Im rooting for thnigs to finally be different, but we've been disappointed our entire lives (the 85 Bears i was 2 years old, i didn't experience it)

[fleet]

Bears presser right now: Poles, Ben, Caleb and Grady
Poles mentioned Jaylon has leg issue, may miss a few weeks but nothing long term. Said Braxton and Loveland should be good to go after a short ramp up.

edit: Caleb either forgot about the presser or seems to have gotten lost.....

There’s no earthly reason ‘not to go into details’ on JJ “leg injury”.

[TheJordanRule]

Its gonna be the same bullcrap as any other time. Caleb is gonna show to be a bust or semi-bust, and everyone is gonna say its Ben Johnson's fault for being a **** coach. Just like it was Nagy's fault that Mitch sucked, and Flus' fault that Fields sucked, and Waldron's fault that Caleb sucked last year while Daniels went to the NFC championship game. Its a tale as old as time for Bears fans. Our Qbs always suck, and its always the coach and never the QB themselves.

Come tf on, brother. You know that ain't right. You are harshing my mellow, homie. Personally Mitch wasn't half bad to me, but Mitch never had the tools that Caleb does. We're going to be the KC of the East.

We're still the Bears, until proven otherwise!

Im rooting for thnigs to finally be different, but we've been disappointed our entire lives (the 85 Bears i was 2 years old, i didn't experience it)

I feel your pain, brother. There are many reasons why it's gonna be completely different this year:
1. BJ was the premier coach that half the league was salivating for. The play-calling is gonna be NEXT LEVEL!
2. We've never had an OL this strong before. Thuney, Jackson and Dalman are all new STARTERS along with Ozzy, so the sky's the limit for our offense, which hasn't had a quality line in FOREVER!
3. Swift was an average back when he dealt with our mediocre OL, under this OL he's scheduled for a breakout!
4. Speaking of break outs, Caleb was sacked a ton last year, as a byproduct of bad coaching and an inability to deliver the ball quickly and get out of harm's way. With BJ and a good OL, Caleb is gonna be supported like he never has been before. Game changing coaching + strong, protective OL + super skill players = completely different outcome than last year. BEAR DOWN! CALEB IS KOBE, brothers!

[Dominator83]

Come tf on, brother. You know that ain't right. You are harshing my mellow, homie. Personally Mitch wasn't half bad to me, but Mitch never had the tools that Caleb does. We're going to be the KC of the East.

We're still the Bears, until proven otherwise!

Im rooting for thnigs to finally be different, but we've been disappointed our entire lives (the 85 Bears i was 2 years old, i didn't experience it)

I feel your pain, brother. There are many reasons why it's gonna be completely different this year:
1. BJ was the premier coach that half the league was salivating for. The play-calling is gonna be NEXT LEVEL!
2. We've never had an OL this strong before. Thuney, Jackson and Dalman are all new STARTERS along with Ozzy, so the sky's the limit for our offense, which hasn't had a quality line in FOREVER!
3. Swift was an average back when he dealt with our mediocre OL, under this OL he's scheduled for a breakout!
4. Speaking of break outs, Caleb was sacked a ton last year, as a byproduct of bad coaching and an inability to deliver the ball quickly and get out of harm's way. With BJ and a good OL, Caleb is gonna be supported like he never has been before. Game changing coaching + strong, protective OL + super skill players = completely different outcome than last year. BEAR DOWN! CALEB IS KOBE, brothers!

I do think that ben Johnson is the real deal. Which is why if Caleb doesn't improve, i don't wanna hear about how its the coaching that sucks! BJ got 3 great years out of Jared Goff for crying out loud!

[MAQ]

Bears presser right now: Poles, Ben, Caleb and Grady
Poles mentioned Jaylon has leg issue, may miss a few weeks but nothing long term. Said Braxton and Loveland should be good to go after a short ramp up.

edit: Caleb either forgot about the presser or seems to have gotten lost.....

There’s no earthly reason ‘not to go into details’ on JJ “leg injury”.

I think you're projecting your desires. The NFL is ALWAYS guarded with injury info.

[fleet]

Bears presser right now: Poles, Ben, Caleb and Grady
Poles mentioned Jaylon has leg issue, may miss a few weeks but nothing long term. Said Braxton and Loveland should be good to go after a short ramp up.

edit: Caleb either forgot about the presser or seems to have gotten lost.....

There’s no earthly reason ‘not to go into details’ on JJ “leg injury”.

I think you're projecting your desires. The NFL is ALWAYS guarded with injury info.

I desire good management and football.


During the season, sure of course. Right now there’s no reason to do this unless it’s something that will linger into the season. I would not put it past the Bears to be burying a contract issue either. That, would make sense actually.