OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

The fact that Rose decided not to pay her the first 2 attempts speaks volumes to me. I think it means that he is vehemently denying any of her allegations and feels that theres no way he should be paying her a dime because everything was consensual. Otherwise, if any of it were true...he should've just paid her. Hindsight, he might've just paid her anyways, idk. This is a PR hit regardless.

[musiqsoulchild]

he is worth $100,000,000,000 at least if you include the rest of his career. Why he is not managed better, is beyond me.

drop a couple zeros and then cut it in half.

Lol--- I am typing so quickly - make the damn edit yourself.

[johnnyvann840]

I happen to agree with rose. Don't let scum like this take advantage of you just to protect your image. Screw that.

Me too. I would go as far as stepping right up and saying at a press conference exactly that....

"I refuse to let this scum take advantage of me just to protect my image. This is all BS and this woman is a lying lunatic.". ... " Yes, It would be really easy for me to pay her to go away but I want everyone to know she is a lying devious gold digging bitch"


This is of course if she is lying. Of course, let someone else say it, not Derrick. But...

[GetBuLLish]

If I was advising Derrick, this thread would not have existed.

I would guess that the existence of this thread is important to you than it is to rose.

Also, Rose's integrity is more important to him than his image, an opinion which you obviously don't share, which is your right of course.

I happen to agree with rose. Don't let scum like this take advantage of you just to protect your image. Screw that.

I love that you have already passed judgement on this lawsuit.

For me, just the act of trying to prove my innocence is NOT worth it. If I wanted to, then I would have chosen much more aggressive language:

" We intend to couter-sue for defamation to the full extent of the law" AND,
" Quite often, athletes have becomes soft targets for people to exploit. We are going to fight for Derrick and his reputation"

There is no language/messaging that puts Derrick in a positive light --- only words that show the plaintiff in a negative light. Thats now how you fight this kind of battle.

So now you're an expert attorney. You're spinning your wheels.

And based on what "evidence" we have so far, I have made up my mind that this is a farce. That can change is other actual evidence comes up. But note that thus far we have only heard her side of the story, and it completely screams bs.

Just wait until Rose starts to actually mount a defense.

[Keller61]

There is one huge piece of evidence that shows that this girl is lying thru her teeth.

She says this relationship started in August of 2011 and she believed they were exclusive to each other.

May of 2013 is the day when she had the "sex therapist" come with her to Derricks. On the day she says she found out for the very first time the Rose had a child. (a child that would have been conceived and born during their 2+ year relationship)

On Nov 6th 2012 Derrick showed pictured of his newborn son on Twitter to over 2 million followers.

So she is saying that she had no idea that this happened? She never bothered to look at the dudes twitter account? nobody told her?

Im calling BS.

To be fair, it says that it was the first time she heard Rose mention the child, not that she was unaware of the child. But anyway, it's hard to believe that she truly thought they were exclusive, given that there was news about Rose's pregnant girlfriend all over the internet and even pictures of them holding the baby together. Plus, would she really think that sex 10 times a year would be enough for Derrick?

And it sounds like her sex was underwhelming, which brings up the question, why would he stay with her for two years? She is trying to paint the picture that Derrick only wanted her for sex, but if that were the case, you'd think he would have given up on her quickly and found someone else. Either he was interested in her for some other reason, or she isn't being honest about how willing she was to pleasure him.

[dougthonus]

In order for this to be a PR hit, people would have had to not assume he's like this. My point was, people already assume he's like this. If you assume someone is like that, why in the hell would it surprise you, or make you feel different about said person?

Yeah, it affects his marketability

Your first 2 sentences and the start of your next is what I mean by you don't seem to understand what PR hit is.

People are irrational, and some segment of people will be bothered by this. I'm bothered by it a bit. Assuming there is nothing to it, then everyone will get over it and it will go away. However, it will leave a permanent little stain and seed of doubt in people's heads about Derrick.

Of course he doesn't want it out there in the open, but the fans he has now aren't going to take her side on this, and stop buying his shoes. But I agree, it will affect any new potential endorsement deals.

This is what a PR hit is.

I'm not saying it will even matter in two months. A PR hit can be very fleeting and temporary.

[musiqsoulchild]

I happen to agree with rose. Don't let scum like this take advantage of you just to protect your image. Screw that.

Me too. I would go as far as stepping right up and saying at a press conference exactly that....

"I refuse let this scum take advantage of me just to protect my image. This is all BS and this woman is a lying lunatic.". ... " Yes, It would be really easy for me to pay her to go away but I want everyone to know she is a lying devious gold digging bitch"


This is of course if she is lying.

This is my point - I would go on the attack while maintaing a superb defense of my character.

Even if I am guilty.

Now, if I knew I was innocent - I wouldnt give this lawsuit space to breathe. Not one goddamn inch. Especially, if I have the kind of resources that are available to Derrick.

[bullsRlife]

In order for this to be a PR hit, people would have had to not assume he's like this. My point was, people already assume he's like this. If you assume someone is like that, why in the hell would it surprise you, or make you feel different about said person?

Yeah, it affects his marketability

Your first 2 sentences and the start of your next is what I mean by you don't seem to understand what PR hit is.

People are irrational, and some segment of people will be bothered by this. I'm bothered by it a bit. Assuming there is nothing to it, then everyone will get over it and it will go away. However, it will leave a permanent little stain and seed of doubt in people's heads about Derrick.

Of course he doesn't want it out there in the open, but the fans he has now aren't going to take her side on this, and stop buying his shoes. But I agree, it will affect any new potential endorsement deals.

This is what a PR hit is.

I'm not saying it will even matter in two months. A PR hit can be very fleeting and temporary.

My wording was poor. I didn't literally mean it wouldn't be a PR hit, at all. Of course if your name is associated with rape, it's not a good look, regardless of whether you're innocent or not. My point was, this isn't going to be a huge PR hit to most people that already assume he's like this, and most of his fans.

[kyrv]

If I was advising Derrick, this thread would not have existed.

I would guess that the existence of this thread is important to you than it is to rose.

Also, Rose's integrity is more important to him than his image, an opinion which you obviously don't share, which is your right of course.

I happen to agree with rose. Don't let scum like this take advantage of you just to protect your image. Screw that.

I love that you have already passed judgement on this lawsuit.

For me, just the act of trying to prove my innocence is NOT worth it. If I wanted to, then I would have chosen much more aggressive language:

" We intend to couter-sue for defamation to the full extent of the law" AND,
" Quite often, athletes have becomes soft targets for people to exploit. We are going to fight for Derrick and his reputation"

There is no language/messaging that puts Derrick in a positive light --- only words that show the plaintiff in a negative light. Thats now how you fight this kind of battle.

You are correct. Victim blaming and attacks serve as an intended misdirection.

We also don't know what is important to Rose, so I don't quite get making up something and then saying you agree with him. Nothing to agree to.

Rose has the means to sue and counter sue her until the cows come home. Which, if this stuff is not true, I hope he does.

[mj234eva]

This is my point - I would go on the attack while maintaing a superb defense of my character.

Doing so, for some might actually have the opposite intending affect.

[kyrv]

I happen to agree with rose. Don't let scum like this take advantage of you just to protect your image. Screw that.

Me too. I would go as far as stepping right up and saying at a press conference exactly that....

"I refuse to let this scum take advantage of me just to protect my image. This is all BS and this woman is a lying lunatic.". ... " Yes, It would be really easy for me to pay her to go away but I want everyone to know she is a lying devious gold digging bitch"


This is of course if she is lying. Of course, let someone else say it, not Derrick. But...

I think it should be Derrick. Lawyers pounding the table and claiming innocence is stupid. Regardless of what Rose told him, the lawyer can't know what actually happened.

However - Rose and his handlers have been just gosh awful with regards to PR. It's been a nightmare. So I don't think we should judge too much if they are, as expected, handling this poorly, or at least, poorly in our view.

[bullsRlife]

I would guess that the existence of this thread is important to you than it is to rose.

Also, Rose's integrity is more important to him than his image, an opinion which you obviously don't share, which is your right of course.

I happen to agree with rose. Don't let scum like this take advantage of you just to protect your image. Screw that.

I love that you have already passed judgement on this lawsuit.

For me, just the act of trying to prove my innocence is NOT worth it. If I wanted to, then I would have chosen much more aggressive language:

" We intend to couter-sue for defamation to the full extent of the law" AND,
" Quite often, athletes have becomes soft targets for people to exploit. We are going to fight for Derrick and his reputation"

There is no language/messaging that puts Derrick in a positive light --- only words that show the plaintiff in a negative light. Thats now how you fight this kind of battle.

You are correct. Victim blaming and attacks serve as an intended misdirection.

We also don't know what is important to Rose, so I don't quite get making up something and then saying you agree with him. Nothing to agree to.

Rose has the means to sue and counter sue her until the cows come home. Which, if this stuff is not true, I hope he does.

At the very least, I think that people that falsely accuse of rape should have all their public information shown to the public, and should get harassed and tormented for the rest of their lives.

[musiqsoulchild]

This is my point - I would go on the attack while maintaing a superb defense of my character.

Doing so, for some might actually have the opposite intending effect.

Not if they focus on protecting Rose first and then launch the offensive.

Their statements all read more like legalese - not like a heartfelt statement. Rose's biggest asset is his celebrity status - they didnt lean on that. They didnt play on that.

Not one mention of Rose's positive impact on the community, his fatherhood, his being a great son, father, brother, teammate, icon and a good provider for his family.

Nothing positive.

Where is the human element? The lawyers need to set that up first - and then concede that there was a relationship. Not just give the advantage away with their first comments.

[bullslas]

With the Adidas statement I'm pretty sure Rose has some facts about this. Also, since she has tried twice before, proves she didn't "wait" two years, she just couldn't find the scumbag attorney until now.

[Shill]

This is my point - I would go on the attack while maintaing a superb defense of my character.

Doing so, for some might actually have the opposite intending effect.

Not if they focus on protecting Rose first and then launch the offensive.

Their statements all read more like legalese - not like a heartfelt statement. Rose's biggest asset is his celebrity status - they didnt lean on that. They didnt play on that.

Not one mention of Rose's impact on the community, his fatherhood his being a great son, father, brother, teammate, icon and a good provider for his family.

Nothing positive.

This doesn't even rise to level of a heartfelt defense. I like the dry, direct denial. Flowery language doesn't persuade me.

[musiqsoulchild]

Doing so, for some might actually have the opposite intending effect.

Not if they focus on protecting Rose first and then launch the offensive.

Their statements all read more like legalese - not like a heartfelt statement. Rose's biggest asset is his celebrity status - they didnt lean on that. They didnt play on that.

Not one mention of Rose's impact on the community, his fatherhood his being a great son, father, brother, teammate, icon and a good provider for his family.

Nothing positive.

This doesn't even rise to level of a heartfelt defense. I like the dry, direct denial. Flowery language doesn't persuade me.

But you already have Derrick in your avatar. You are not a casual, disinterested fan. You love Rose. Like myself.

Now think about who is reading the article on CNN titled "Bulls star denies rape charges". Only 2 words jump out for the casual sports fan or an everyday news follower - RAPE / Bulls.

They click into the article and read it - and they find a denial with an acknowledgment of a sexual relationship in the past.

Great.

[Indomitable]

Again, if any of this story is true then there should be a lot of evidence out there. There should be text messages, call logs, skype logs, plane tickets purchased, etc. etc. If there is a real case to be made it could be supported if it is true. If none of that stuff is available then this will be easy for Derrick. If any of it is out there then he is in trouble. Anything else is just speculation and he said she said.

One part of the story is already true - that Derrick and his attorney's acknowledge that they were in a non-exclusive relationship for a period of time.

This means that Derrick was having sexual relations with her - while also doing so with other partners AND also his baby mama.

There is no denying that. This itself is a loss of face for Derrick.

There are a 100 different ways this could have played out OR this could have been fabricated. But the fact that the lawyers have come out OPENLY and said "Yes, they screwed - several times" tells you that there is evidence of a relationship.

If there is a substantial amount of it - then its pretty easy to weave a story (for either the plaintiff or the accused).

Not sure if it's really that much of a PR hit since he's not married or in any other sort of declared monogamous relationship. Staying single is probably one of the smartest things he's done off the court.

Yeah he was single and never said he was engaged.

[Fast Dont Fib]

In order for this to be a PR hit, people would have had to not assume he's like this. My point was, people already assume he's like this. If you assume someone is like that, why in the hell would it surprise you, or make you feel different about said person?.

Because while one could assume he's like this. Most people don't think about assuming anything. Most don't even have the thought enter their mind. Until it's put out there such as this. I along with i'm sure a ton of other people never had thoughts about Kobe's life outside of basketball, until... And 10+ years later rape jokes STILL happen. Does it effect someone like yourself, or even myself? No, because i'm not in a life position to over idolize a professional athlete. Does it effect what some parents of children who idolize D-Rose will think? Almost assuredly. I have no clue what kind of actual monetary value the PR hit will result in. But even if this suit goes nowhere his rep won't stay the same. People don't need to analyze all of this rationally after the fact. Rational thought about a professional athletes personal life doesn't drive sales, and the reality is that there will be people out there who are turned off by knowing these details when they never had the thought cross their mind before.

[Ctownbulls]

This is my point - I would go on the attack while maintaing a superb defense of my character.

Doing so, for some might actually have the opposite intending affect.

Goal is to have this out there for as short as time as possible. Having the woman come clean and suing her for defamation doesn't help Rose in the view of the public. Best case scenario is the case gets thrown-out and thats that.

[League Circles]

Two things:

1. Hopefully this drives Derrick into an against the world mentality and he tears it up this year.

2. A lot of what is written in the complaint, especially the parts about the "sex therapist", read like straight up penthouse forum.