Coronavirus

[SimonFish]

How the Chinese Communist Party Covered Up The Coronavirus Outbreak And Caused The Worldwide Spread:

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[SimonFish]

Spokesperson of the Foreign Ministry of China publicly claimed on Twitter “it might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan”.

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[2018C3]

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I have my priorities set strait. I took a trip to costco and stocked up on disinfectant's. The shelves in my basement are now full of the essentials.

[2018C3]

Actually I did not go to costco, but my dad went, and after we had a conversation earlier this evening he told me people were going insane there. He said the place was the most packed he has ever seen it.

[coldfish]

Merkel said something to the effect of expecting 30 to 70 percent of all Germans to get this. Extrapolated to the us, that’s 100 to 220 million infections. H1N1 got 60m Americans and it doesn’t spread as well as this.

We didn't have most companies instituting full work from home or cancel more or less all social events for H1N1. If we think that isn't going to dramatically stem the infection rate then we shouldn't bother destroying the economy over it.

Its all about "flattening the curve" to prevent there from being too many severe cases at the same time and overwhelming the medical system. At least, that's what I'm told.

I kind of wonder if I have it right now. It was found in my area over a week ago. Virtually everyone I know has an upper respiratory illness that is flu like, but not the flu. If I do have it, its the most mild virus I have had in quite some time, at least for now.

[SimonFish]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

Coronavirus: China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17
- Government records suggest first person infected with new disease may have been a Hubei resident aged 55, but ‘patient zero’ has yet to be confirmed
- Documents seen by the Post could help scientists track the spread of the disease and perhaps determine its source

Only if the Chinese government could utilise those 2+ months to raise public awareness and try to find a cure, instead of just covering up and leading to the global outbreak.

[jnrjr79]

Not my idea. European/Finnish medical people make calculations. Usa is like all of us late for this. U have a big country and it is bacially everywhere allready. Well it just started and is clobaly now. That number includes also people who have very mild flu kind of sympthons. Most of people have it like that. Elders will get hurt. I don`t know why italy has big death rate 6,5%. Of course there live a lot of old people but even young ones has death suprisingly high rate. S-Korea have 0,8%, China 3,9%. Of course korea is testing a lot so they found more mild ones to make number look like it should be.

Again, hard to imagine the best case being twice as much infection as the worst normal flu season in the last 10 years despite most places banning gatherings and canceling everything. Just doesn't make any sense relative to the current known infection rates.

People get flu shots - there is no vaccine for CV.
CV seems to be more infectious.
We don't yet know whether it will slow down during warmer weather like the flu does.

We have major health experts all across the globe projecting high infection rates. I hope you're right. I hope we hear people saying "meh, it wasn't that bad, we overreacted," though if we hear that, it may well be because of the social distancing measures that are being undertaken now rather than evidence of the seriousness of the virus.

[jnrjr79]

Good article trying to project the magnitude of this. Numbers are tricky here, so I wouldn't latch onto them, but there is a lot of good information in this that will make you think.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

One thing the article shows is that China was able to stem this off with extreme measures which we are now taking now though. That's why I think the best case scenario is considerably better.

I'm not saying the worst case scenario isn't bad or that the actual scenario won't be, just that the best case scenario while we're massively socially distancing now, having tons of people work from home, canceling all large gatherings, etc, etc... The best case scenario seems better.

Re: the bolded, we are in no way taking any extreme measures remotely close to what China has done. That's crazy talk!

China pulled infected people out of their own houses and put them in arenas, etc. so that they couldn't infect their own family members. They took cash out of circulation that could have been carrying the virus. They locked down affected areas and prevented any of those residents from leaving before spending two weeks quarantined. They halted the export of masks (of which China makes 7 billion a year) so that the masks would be there to protect their own residents.

Given that China is a de facto dictatorship, they may well have done things that would be infeasible in the US, but their response is night and day from what has been done here.

[2018C3]

Is obviously a major concern, But without reliable information the best we can all do Is continue living our lives while taking some precautions.

I'm sure there willl be unforchante casualties, and that is really scary. I just hope society will be able to maintain a level head, if things continue to collapse, all of our cumulative actions taken may actually be worse then the treat at hand.

[dice]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

Coronavirus: China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17
- Government records suggest first person infected with new disease may have been a Hubei resident aged 55, but ‘patient zero’ has yet to be confirmed
- Documents seen by the Post could help scientists track the spread of the disease and perhaps determine its source

Only if the Chinese government could utilise those 2+ months to raise public awareness and try to find a cure, instead of just covering up and leading to the global outbreak.

how many times are you going to post stuff about the chinese government trying to prevent word from getting out? we all understand that they were doing that

had they done everything they could to contain and inform, this still would have spread worldwide. there were plenty of foreigners in china whenever this started. as such, the chinese government most certainly did not CAUSE the pandemic. but they most certainly DID exacerbate it

[SimonFish]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

Coronavirus: China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17
- Government records suggest first person infected with new disease may have been a Hubei resident aged 55, but ‘patient zero’ has yet to be confirmed
- Documents seen by the Post could help scientists track the spread of the disease and perhaps determine its source

Only if the Chinese government could utilise those 2+ months to raise public awareness and try to find a cure, instead of just covering up and leading to the global outbreak.

how many times are you going to post stuff about the chinese government trying to prevent word from getting out? we all understand that they were doing that

had they done everything they could to contain and inform, this still would have spread worldwide. there were plenty of foreigners in china whenever this started. as such, the chinese government most certainly did not CAUSE the pandemic. but they most certainly DID exacerbate it

Wait. So it's a crime that I posted news about coronavirus in a coronavirus thread?

Cause or exacerbate, whatever the correct term is. The Chinese government is still responsible and should be held responsible, despite their effort trying to shift their responsibility and "ask the world to thank China".

[wolffy]

The fact is simple really. We don't have a solid number or projection as far as how many are gonna be infected because we dont know what were gonna do yet. Social distancing, self quarantine, better hand washing, and just general awareness is gonna determine how many people contract this thing.

Do we wait like Italy. Or do we go all in right now. Italy's issue was a mass influx of patients into the medical system causing people to be unable to get needed treatment. The more people simply stay in their homes the less likely we are to repeat italys mistake.

And again the virus is dangerous, overwhelming the medical capabilities of the nation is deadly.

[dice]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back



Only if the Chinese government could utilise those 2+ months to raise public awareness and try to find a cure, instead of just covering up and leading to the global outbreak.

how many times are you going to post stuff about the chinese government trying to prevent word from getting out? we all understand that they were doing that

had they done everything they could to contain and inform, this still would have spread worldwide. there were plenty of foreigners in china whenever this started. as such, the chinese government most certainly did not CAUSE the pandemic. but they most certainly DID exacerbate it

Wait. So it's a crime that I posted news about coronavirus in a coronavirus thread?

yes, that was precisely what i was getting at. how astute

Cause or exacerbate, whatever the correct term is. The Chinese government is still responsible and should be held responsible, despite their effort trying to shift their responsibility and "ask the world to thank China".

those in power will take any action that they feel is appropriate (sanctions?). you are not changing hearts and minds with all the anti-china stuff here. you're preaching to the choir. nor are you providing us useful information. the whole world knows that china tried and prevent public knowledge of the virus

[SimonFish]

how many times are you going to post stuff about the chinese government trying to prevent word from getting out? we all understand that they were doing that

had they done everything they could to contain and inform, this still would have spread worldwide. there were plenty of foreigners in china whenever this started. as such, the chinese government most certainly did not CAUSE the pandemic. but they most certainly DID exacerbate it

Wait. So it's a crime that I posted news about coronavirus in a coronavirus thread?

yes, that was precisely what i was getting at. how astute

Cause or exacerbate, whatever the correct term is. The Chinese government is still responsible and should be held responsible, despite their effort trying to shift their responsibility and "ask the world to thank China".

those in power know the actions of the chinese government and will take any action that they feel is appropriate (sanctions?). you are not changing hearts and minds with all the anti-china stuff here. you're preaching to the choir

Whatever. If I am preaching to the choir, the choir can simply ignore me.

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[dice]

Wait. So it's a crime that I posted news about coronavirus in a coronavirus thread?

yes, that was precisely what i was getting at. how astute

Cause or exacerbate, whatever the correct term is. The Chinese government is still responsible and should be held responsible, despite their effort trying to shift their responsibility and "ask the world to thank China".

those in power know the actions of the chinese government and will take any action that they feel is appropriate (sanctions?). you are not changing hearts and minds with all the anti-china stuff here. you're preaching to the choir

Whatever. If I am preaching to the choir, the choir can simply ignore me.

Oh nevermind, I saw the username and realized that I am talking to a well known douchebag in this forum. K thx bye.

personal attacks edited out

[SimonFish]

yes, that was precisely what i was getting at. how astute


those in power know the actions of the chinese government and will take any action that they feel is appropriate (sanctions?). you are not changing hearts and minds with all the anti-china stuff here. you're preaching to the choir

Whatever. If I am preaching to the choir, the choir can simply ignore me.

Oh nevermind, I saw the username and realized that I am talking to a well known douchebag in this forum. K thx bye.

the six year old has bowed out

Yes just because one doesn't agree with you, he/she is a six year old.

[dice]

Whatever. If I am preaching to the choir, the choir can simply ignore me.

Oh nevermind, I saw the username and realized that I am talking to a well known douchebag in this forum. K thx bye.

the six year old has bowed out

Yes just because one doesn't agree with you, he/she is a six year old.

no (and i can't believe i have to explain this to you), it's the juvenile trumpian name calling and emoji-trolling that is worthy of a six year old. disagreements are perfectly ok

FYI, your prior post is suspendable on this forum. this isn't one of the anti-commie reddit threads that you are accustomed to posting in. you might actually find some nuts who disagree with your position on china there!

[SimonFish]

the six year old has bowed out

Yes just because one doesn't agree with you, he/she is a six year old.

no (and i can't believe i have to explain this to you), it's the juvenile trumpian name calling and emoji-trolling that is worthy of a six year old. disagreements are perfectly ok

FYI, your prior post is suspendable on this forum. this isn't one of the anti-commie reddit threads that you are accustomed to posting in

Oh, so somebody criticized me in the first place when I was just posting news about coronavirus in a coronavirus thread, then goes on to say I am name calling him.

How the virus has been spreading cannot be separated from politics. We are entitled to criticse our governments.

And feel free to press the "!" icon to report to the mod if you think I deserve to be suspended. FYI, Public backseat moderating is also suspendable.

[Bandit King]

China is not telling the truth of what is happening there, and how many are dying!

[bulls_troy]

Here in Adelaide Australia, even kids basketball has been cancelled until at least Easter as our state/federal government has banned unnecessary crowds of 500 or more