OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[dougthonus]

There are lots of niche markets that only exist to basically serve corporate needs, and there's really no reason to know about them if you aren't a corporation with that specialty or a professional speculator. It's really no different from not knowing about how to fix your car engine or replace your furnace or whatever other skill that some other niche person has that you don't.

Suffice it to say though, that your average person knows more about how to fix an engine or replace a furnace than how futures markets in commodities operate. It's like that movie The Big Short- the things that were discussed in the movie were stranger than subatomic physics to me.

Financial instruments are a pretty wide area and commodities are just a niche that there's no reason to know how they work for a normal person.

[coldfish]

It's hard to draw too many conclusions from such a limited test, but still, it's not a good sign when people taking the treatment died in larger numbers than those not taking it.

Sweden recently ordered all hospitals to stop using the drug, other than in the clinical trials that were going on.

The point is, it is very irresponsible for the president to be giving out medical advice based on a Fox News report with a person who falsely claimed he was part of the Stanford medical community. And he based his recommendations on a study done in France, that it was later discovered, didn't count the 4 patients in the study who took the medicine and did not recover, because they were either in the ICU and could not be tested, or were dead.

The larger death numbers are because the people who do take it are the ones who are really sick and are already about to die anyway. They take it as a last resort and don’t have anything to lose. From what I read this does not kill you, it either makes the sick people better or it just doesn’t do anything. Maybe it hasn’t worked for many unfortunately but it has saved lives. Again the ones who are in a really bad condition have nothing to lose but to try it. All I know is the scientists all over the world are taking way too long to find a vaccine, this is what’s needed to end this nightmare.

1.) There is no proof that it has saved a single life. There is also no proof that it has killed anyone, although, there is actually more evidence of that.

2.) We are a long way away, if ever, finding a vaccine. Minimum a year before a vaccine could be found and then, the hard part, mass produced at the volume we need. The leading scientist working on a vaccine in the UK has said that ever finding a vaccine is a long shot.

Also, you say they are taking too long but they have apparently done what normally takes five years, in just four months, according to one of the scientists, just getting to this point of starting clinical trials.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-vaccine-long-shot-patrick-vallance-chief-scientific-advisor-a4418421.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-vaccine-johnson-and-johnson-clinical-trial/index.html

This was as of a few weeks ago. There are dozens of vaccines being worked on globally. Most have already been "discovered" and some have begun testing.

Johnson and Johnson are working with the government. The US is essentially funding building the equipment to mass produce a vaccine before its actually approved. Normally, companies wouldn't consider spending that kind of money until after approval but the government can afford to take that risk.

The vaccine timelines are conservative . . .. if they can find something to work. Our global economy is losing trillions of dollars per month due to this virus. There has never been this much pressure to find a vaccine before. Using the old timelines is a mistake.

As far as it working, people are a little too pessimistic IMHO. Covid 19 is so deadly because it has a surface protein that binds with lung and digestive cells. Coincidentally, our antibodies target that protein. If the disease mutates that protein, it won't have the same ability to destroy our lungs. If it keeps that protein, the vaccines will work.

[Dresden]

"Pork Bellies, I knew it".

I always wondered- why pork bellies? Why not ham or chops or hell, pig's feet? Why bellies are what gets traded?

[Dresden]

The larger death numbers are because the people who do take it are the ones who are really sick and are already about to die anyway. They take it as a last resort and don’t have anything to lose. From what I read this does not kill you, it either makes the sick people better or it just doesn’t do anything. Maybe it hasn’t worked for many unfortunately but it has saved lives. Again the ones who are in a really bad condition have nothing to lose but to try it. All I know is the scientists all over the world are taking way too long to find a vaccine, this is what’s needed to end this nightmare.

1.) There is no proof that it has saved a single life. There is also no proof that it has killed anyone, although, there is actually more evidence of that.

2.) We are a long way away, if ever, finding a vaccine. Minimum a year before a vaccine could be found and then, the hard part, mass produced at the volume we need. The leading scientist working on a vaccine in the UK has said that ever finding a vaccine is a long shot.

Also, you say they are taking too long but they have apparently done what normally takes five years, in just four months, according to one of the scientists, just getting to this point of starting clinical trials.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-vaccine-long-shot-patrick-vallance-chief-scientific-advisor-a4418421.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-vaccine-johnson-and-johnson-clinical-trial/index.html

This was as of a few weeks ago. There are dozens of vaccines being worked on globally. Most have already been "discovered" and some have begun testing.

Johnson and Johnson are working with the government. The US is essentially funding building the equipment to mass produce a vaccine before its actually approved. Normally, companies wouldn't consider spending that kind of money until after approval but the government can afford to take that risk.

The vaccine timelines are conservative . . .. if they can find something to work. Our global economy is losing trillions of dollars per month due to this virus. There has never been this much pressure to find a vaccine before. Using the old timelines is a mistake.

As far as it working, people are a little too pessimistic IMHO. Covid 19 is so deadly because it has a surface protein that binds with lung and digestive cells. Coincidentally, our antibodies target that protein. If the disease mutates that protein, it won't have the same ability to destroy our lungs. If it keeps that protein, the vaccines will work.

I believe that the Gates Foundation is also spending about a billion dollars to build several different factories, each pursuing or planning on producing, a different vaccine. Because they don't know yet which will be successful. But by building the production first, they can save time later. But they'll be building several facilities that will be more or less useless. Although I don't get why they can't be converted to make the good vaccine.

[Ccwatercraft]

Suffice it to say though, that your average person knows more about how to fix an engine or replace a furnace than how futures markets in commodities operate. It's like that movie The Big Short- the things that were discussed in the movie were stranger than subatomic physics to me.

Amen... although Margot Robbie in the tub didnt help my comprehension one bit. Also, I've seen trading places multiple times, still not sure how the ending worked lol.

In Trading Places what happened was the Duke's got a bogus crop report saying the the early frost damaged the orange crop and to buy as much frozen OJ futures as they could betting the price would skyrocket because of the weak crop. Our gang, however, (Akroyd, Murphy and Jamie Lee and the Butler, Coleman) had the REAL crop report, so they knew and shorted the market at the peak (before the official report was announced saying the early frost did NOT damage the crop at all. So, it was a squeeze. The Dukes tried to corner the market but were on the wrong side and got wiped out and got a huge margin call. They were shut down and our heroes made a killing shorting the market.

I dont recall the shorting part being explained in the movie, but maybe I missed it half a
Dozen times...

Thank you

[AKfanatic]

If protests were a week ago, that's enough time for symptoms to start showing up.

The protests are also an fraudulent joke. I know we aren’t supposed to be political in regards to a virus that is being responded to by US leadership in purely political ways..... because someone might be offended by pointing out the failures of a current president that would rather spend daily briefings airing grievances and riling his base than talk facts..


But these protesters are purely partisan Trump supporters. Tons of MAGA hats and a Trump trailer that has made its was to multiple cities for “protests”.... and yet Trumps own guidelines are currently calling for the shutdowns that are being protested.... while the protesters are somehow not protesting against the shutdowns so much as they are protesting against local governments that have been seen as “not friendly” to the president.

They are putting others in jeopardy through their AstroTurf “protests” that have been put in place by gun rights groups on Facebook and people directly in the White House (Stephen Miller)

I took you off ignore just for a quick reply.
You are saying that there were ZERO democrats protesting?
Not even any independents?

Ya, gotta call BS on that, you are tossing out partisan opinions and pretending they are facts.

I don't have a problem with people protesting actions that are causing the destruction of their livelihoods, both my spouse and I are considered "essential" and I would be out there with them if I was forced to shut down, because I actually like eating and having a roof over my head.

Ok, back on ignore

I’m sure there’s a scattered Dem or lib in the group. But you are fooling yourself if you believe these are grassroots protests.

Not that i expect any answer from someone that puts people on ignore (originally) when they had post anything negative about the response from Trump..... but why exactly do you think none of the protests target Trump himself? It is his federal guidelines that recommend the shut-downs....

It is absolute fact that an adviser within the White House spoke of plans to start protests vs those govs that didn’t properly boot lick.

It is fact that the networks, both TV and radio, that have pushed to “liberate” are rightwing (Fox, OAN, Limbaugh, Carlson, Ingraham, Hannity, Perino).

It is fact that pro- Gun groups, which tend to be “conservative” were also pushing for these protests, to the point at Facebook started blocking/suspending them due to the blatantly obvious public health risk that these protestors cause.

There’s a reason the President has been tweeting “liberate” instead of attacking the protestors as he often does when they protest his actions....


If you believe these are grassroots protests that aren’t politically motivated and vastly attended more by members of the rightwing base, you’re fooling yourself.

[MrSparkle]

Seeing as the rate of infected people is continuing climb while drastic lockdowns have been in effect for 30 days, isn't it completely nonsensical to essentially negate the progress made in flattening the curve (it's literally flattening)? This thing is going to exponentially shoot up again the second it passes a new cluster of unknowing asymptomatics.

Pretty wild seeing GA, TX and FL planning to open up.

[Ccwatercraft]

The protests are also an fraudulent joke. I know we aren’t supposed to be political in regards to a virus that is being responded to by US leadership in purely political ways..... because someone might be offended by pointing out the failures of a current president that would rather spend daily briefings airing grievances and riling his base than talk facts..


But these protesters are purely partisan Trump supporters. Tons of MAGA hats and a Trump trailer that has made its was to multiple cities for “protests”.... and yet Trumps own guidelines are currently calling for the shutdowns that are being protested.... while the protesters are somehow not protesting against the shutdowns so much as they are protesting against local governments that have been seen as “not friendly” to the president.

They are putting others in jeopardy through their AstroTurf “protests” that have been put in place by gun rights groups on Facebook and people directly in the White House (Stephen Miller)

I took you off ignore just for a quick reply.
You are saying that there were ZERO democrats protesting?
Not even any independents?

Ya, gotta call BS on that, you are tossing out partisan opinions and pretending they are facts.

I don't have a problem with people protesting actions that are causing the destruction of their livelihoods, both my spouse and I are considered "essential" and I would be out there with them if I was forced to shut down, because I actually like eating and having a roof over my head.

Ok, back on ignore

I’m sure there’s a scattered Dem or lib in the group. But you are fooling yourself if you believe these are grassroots protests.

Not that i expect any answer from someone that puts people on ignore (originally) when they had post anything negative about the response from Trump..... but why exactly do you think none of the protests target Trump himself? It is his federal guidelines that recommend the shut-downs....

It is absolute fact that an adviser within the White House spoke of plans to start protests vs those govs that didn’t properly boot lick.

It is fact that the networks, both TV and radio, that have pushed to “liberate” are rightwing (Fox, OAN, Limbaugh, Carlson, Ingraham, Hannity, Perino).

It is fact that pro- Gun groups, which tend to be “conservative” were also pushing for these protests, to the point at Facebook started blocking/suspending them due to the blatantly obvious public health risk that these protestors cause.

There’s a reason the President has been tweeting “liberate” instead of attacking the protestors as he often does when they protest his actions....


If you believe these are grassroots protests that aren’t politically motivated and vastly attended more by members of the rightwing base, you’re fooling yourself.

You were on ignore before this thread started I only saw your post because of a quote notification.

I'm not the one that was making blanket assumptions on the specific political leanings of the protesters. I believe their primary concern is financial ruin and that is an issue for everyone.

I support them because I can feel their pain of being shut down while others can remain open (and are likely less safe)

I have empathy for their financial struggles related to a non voluntary work stoppage implemented by their state leaders, including my own.

[dice]

I took you off ignore just for a quick reply.
You are saying that there were ZERO democrats protesting?
Not even any independents?

Ya, gotta call BS on that, you are tossing out partisan opinions and pretending they are facts.

I don't have a problem with people protesting actions that are causing the destruction of their livelihoods, both my spouse and I are considered "essential" and I would be out there with them if I was forced to shut down, because I actually like eating and having a roof over my head.

Ok, back on ignore

I’m sure there’s a scattered Dem or lib in the group. But you are fooling yourself if you believe these are grassroots protests.

Not that i expect any answer from someone that puts people on ignore (originally) when they had post anything negative about the response from Trump..... but why exactly do you think none of the protests target Trump himself? It is his federal guidelines that recommend the shut-downs....

It is absolute fact that an adviser within the White House spoke of plans to start protests vs those govs that didn’t properly boot lick.

It is fact that the networks, both TV and radio, that have pushed to “liberate” are rightwing (Fox, OAN, Limbaugh, Carlson, Ingraham, Hannity, Perino).

It is fact that pro- Gun groups, which tend to be “conservative” were also pushing for these protests, to the point at Facebook started blocking/suspending them due to the blatantly obvious public health risk that these protestors cause.

There’s a reason the President has been tweeting “liberate” instead of attacking the protestors as he often does when they protest his actions....


If you believe these are grassroots protests that aren’t politically motivated and vastly attended more by members of the rightwing base, you’re fooling yourself.

You were on ignore before this thread started I only saw your post because of a quote notification.

I'm not the one that was making blanket assumptions on the specific political leanings of the protesters.

no assumptions necessary. it's pretty clear based not only on the videos but the outlets pushing the protests

I believe their primary concern is financial ruin and that is an issue for everyone.

and yet the protests are very partisan

I support them because I can feel their pain of being shut down while others can remain open and I have empathy for their financial struggles related to a non voluntary work stoppage implemented by their state leaders, including my own.

i can empathize with them too. hell, this virus is probably the last nail in my professional coffin. but i still understand the big picture of why the lock-downs are appropriate

[dice]

Seeing as the rate of infected people is continuing climb while drastic lockdowns have been in effect for 30 days, isn't it completely nonsensical to essentially negate the progress made in flattening the curve (it's literally flattening)? This thing is going to exponentially shoot up again the second it passes a new cluster of unknowing asymptomatics.

Pretty wild seeing GA, TX and FL planning to open up.

given that the infection rates have not been increasing since april 4 and hospitals are not over capacity, it's reasonable to start considering slowly opening things back up (depending on state of course). but we don't want a situation where we do it too quickly and then have to backpedal. and we're still woefully under-testing, which complicates all of it

[Ccwatercraft]

I’m sure there’s a scattered Dem or lib in the group. But you are fooling yourself if you believe these are grassroots protests.

Not that i expect any answer from someone that puts people on ignore (originally) when they had post anything negative about the response from Trump..... but why exactly do you think none of the protests target Trump himself? It is his federal guidelines that recommend the shut-downs....

It is absolute fact that an adviser within the White House spoke of plans to start protests vs those govs that didn’t properly boot lick.

It is fact that the networks, both TV and radio, that have pushed to “liberate” are rightwing (Fox, OAN, Limbaugh, Carlson, Ingraham, Hannity, Perino).

It is fact that pro- Gun groups, which tend to be “conservative” were also pushing for these protests, to the point at Facebook started blocking/suspending them due to the blatantly obvious public health risk that these protestors cause.

There’s a reason the President has been tweeting “liberate” instead of attacking the protestors as he often does when they protest his actions....


If you believe these are grassroots protests that aren’t politically motivated and vastly attended more by members of the rightwing base, you’re fooling yourself.

You were on ignore before this thread started I only saw your post because of a quote notification.

I'm not the one that was making blanket assumptions on the specific political leanings of the protesters.

no assumptions necessary. it's pretty clear based not only on the videos but the outlets pushing the protests

I believe their primary concern is financial ruin and that is an issue for everyone.

and yet the protests are very partisan

I support them because I can feel their pain of being shut down while others can remain open and I have empathy for their financial struggles related to a non voluntary work stoppage implemented by their state leaders, including my own.

i can empathize with them too. hell, this virus is probably the last nail in my professional coffin. but i still understand the big picture of why the lock-downs are appropriate

I understand the science as well but if you own a closed retail outlet and start dropping dimes every day then voicing your opinion in the strongest way you know how is most certainly your right, risks and all. When you are going broke fast who cares who anyone voted for 3 years ago?

All they want to do is stop bleeding money, and soon. IMO that's worth some horn honking so let them honk, were overdue for some decent protests and the media needs some new crap to talk about anyway before this all gets more repetitive and stale.

[TheEndIsNigh]

"Pork Bellies, I knew it".

I always wondered- why pork bellies? Why not ham or chops or hell, pig's feet? Why bellies are what gets traded?

Because bacon.

[dice]

You were on ignore before this thread started I only saw your post because of a quote notification.

I'm not the one that was making blanket assumptions on the specific political leanings of the protesters.

no assumptions necessary. it's pretty clear based not only on the videos but the outlets pushing the protests

I believe their primary concern is financial ruin and that is an issue for everyone.

and yet the protests are very partisan

I support them because I can feel their pain of being shut down while others can remain open and I have empathy for their financial struggles related to a non voluntary work stoppage implemented by their state leaders, including my own.

i can empathize with them too. hell, this virus is probably the last nail in my professional coffin. but i still understand the big picture of why the lock-downs are appropriate

I understand the science as well but if you own a closed retail outlet and start dropping dimes every day then voicing your opinion in the strongest way you know how is most certainly your right, risks and all. When you are going broke fast who cares who anyone voted for 3 years ago?

All they want to do is stop bleeding money, and soon. IMO that's worth some horn honking so let them honk, were overdue for some decent protests and the media needs some new crap to talk about anyway before this all gets more repetitive and stale.

i have no problem with people who are hurting making their voices heard. i have a problem with right wing groups promoting rallies with the intent of promoting partisan propaganda and conspiracy theories, thus DROWNING OUT legitimate concerns. i have a problem with the supposed leader of the country encouraging protests of his own guidelines and introducing gun rights into the equation. it's disturbing

[robert76]

You were on ignore before this thread started I only saw your post because of a quote notification.

I'm not the one that was making blanket assumptions on the specific political leanings of the protesters.

no assumptions necessary. it's pretty clear based not only on the videos but the outlets pushing the protests

I believe their primary concern is financial ruin and that is an issue for everyone.

and yet the protests are very partisan

I support them because I can feel their pain of being shut down while others can remain open and I have empathy for their financial struggles related to a non voluntary work stoppage implemented by their state leaders, including my own.

i can empathize with them too. hell, this virus is probably the last nail in my professional coffin. but i still understand the big picture of why the lock-downs are appropriate

I understand the science as well but if you own a closed retail outlet and start dropping dimes every day then voicing your opinion in the strongest way you know how is most certainly your right, risks and all. When you are going broke fast who cares who anyone voted for 3 years ago?

All they want to do is stop bleeding money, and soon. IMO that's worth some horn honking so let them honk, were overdue for some decent protests and the media needs some new crap to talk about anyway before this all gets more repetitive and stale.

According to their signs, they want to cut their hair and play golf. Also, protesting is one thing, (as stupid as it is to have gatherings during a pandemic) blocking hospital entrances is another.
And I don't get why do they need guns at a peaceful protest?

[Ccwatercraft]

no assumptions necessary. it's pretty clear based not only on the videos but the outlets pushing the protests


and yet the protests are very partisan


i can empathize with them too. hell, this virus is probably the last nail in my professional coffin. but i still understand the big picture of why the lock-downs are appropriate

I understand the science as well but if you own a closed retail outlet and start dropping dimes every day then voicing your opinion in the strongest way you know how is most certainly your right, risks and all. When you are going broke fast who cares who anyone voted for 3 years ago?

All they want to do is stop bleeding money, and soon. IMO that's worth some horn honking so let them honk, were overdue for some decent protests and the media needs some new crap to talk about anyway before this all gets more repetitive and stale.

i have no problem with people who are hurting making their voices heard. i have a problem with right wing groups promoting rallies with the intent of promoting partisan propaganda and conspiracy theories, thus DROWNING OUT legitimate concerns. i have a problem with the supposed leader of the country encouraging protests of his own guidelines and introducing gun rights into the equation. it's disturbing

So basically, you got a lotta problems?

Noted.

[AKfanatic]

I took you off ignore just for a quick reply.
You are saying that there were ZERO democrats protesting?
Not even any independents?

Ya, gotta call BS on that, you are tossing out partisan opinions and pretending they are facts.

I don't have a problem with people protesting actions that are causing the destruction of their livelihoods, both my spouse and I are considered "essential" and I would be out there with them if I was forced to shut down, because I actually like eating and having a roof over my head.

Ok, back on ignore

I’m sure there’s a scattered Dem or lib in the group. But you are fooling yourself if you believe these are grassroots protests.

Not that i expect any answer from someone that puts people on ignore (originally) when they had post anything negative about the response from Trump..... but why exactly do you think none of the protests target Trump himself? It is his federal guidelines that recommend the shut-downs....

It is absolute fact that an adviser within the White House spoke of plans to start protests vs those govs that didn’t properly boot lick.

It is fact that the networks, both TV and radio, that have pushed to “liberate” are rightwing (Fox, OAN, Limbaugh, Carlson, Ingraham, Hannity, Perino).

It is fact that pro- Gun groups, which tend to be “conservative” were also pushing for these protests, to the point at Facebook started blocking/suspending them due to the blatantly obvious public health risk that these protestors cause.

There’s a reason the President has been tweeting “liberate” instead of attacking the protestors as he often does when they protest his actions....


If you believe these are grassroots protests that aren’t politically motivated and vastly attended more by members of the rightwing base, you’re fooling yourself.

You were on ignore before this thread started I only saw your post because of a quote notification.

I'm not the one that was making blanket assumptions on the specific political leanings of the protesters. I believe their primary concern is financial ruin and that is an issue for everyone.

I support them because I can feel their pain of being shut down while others can remain open (and are likely less safe)

I have empathy for their financial struggles related to a non voluntary work stoppage implemented by their state leaders, including my own.

Oh I know exactly when I was put on ignore, and couldn’t care less... that’s your right.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1946340&p=82579911&hilit=Ignore#p82579911

As expected though, you have yet to answer the question.

If these protests are all about the average American hurting, why then are zero of them targeting a federal government, the Trump administration, for the “stay at home” guidelines? The shut-down guidelines? Why do the protest target almost exclusively those that Trump singled out for attacks?.... why did they start with Whitmer after Trump aggression against her? Why have they turned into gun rights protests after Trump stated Virginia is taking away your guns?

People have every right to be stressed, worried about their livelihoods, etc.... but these rallies weakly disguised as protests have much more to do with an AstroTurf effort to paint a narrative of massive citizen uprisings against local governments that have been considered adversarial to the Trump admin for not falling in line with praise.


The Quiet Hand of Conservative Groups in the Anti-Lockdown Protests

An informal coalition of influential conservative leaders and groups, some with close connections to the White House, has been quietly working to nurture protests and apply political and legal pressure to overturn state and local orders intended to stop the spread of the coronavirus.
The groups have tapped their networks to drive up turnout at recent rallies in state capitals, dispatched their lawyers to file lawsuits, and paid for polling and research to undercut the arguments behind restrictions that have closed businesses and limited the movement of most Americans.
Among those fighting the orders are FreedomWorks and Tea Party Patriots, which played pivotal roles in the beginning of Tea Party protests starting more than a decade ago. Also involved are a law firm led partly by former Trump White House officials, a network of state-based conservative policy groups, and an ad hoc coalition of conservative leaders known as Save Our Country that has advised the White House on strategies for a tiered reopening of the economy.

Those helping orchestrate the fight against restrictions predict the effort could energize the right in the same way the Tea Party movement did in 2009 and 2010, and potentially be helpful to President Trump as he campaigns for re-election. But the cause has yet to demonstrate that kind of traction.
Polls show a majority of Americans are more concerned about reopening the country too quickly than they are about the damage to the economy. And coronavirus protests have drawn smaller crowds ranging from a few dozen to several thousand at a rally in Michigan last week.

[bulls_troy]

Not sure if you guys are following what's happening outside the US with Covid 19, but here in Australia, we only had 5 new cases today, and specifically here in the city of Adelaide and the state of South Australia, we had 1 case today ending 3 days of no new cases. Have to say here in Adelaide we've done extremely well and that's because people have followed the guidelines put in place by our government, state and federal

[League Circles]

Not sure if you guys are following what's happening outside the US with Covid 19, but here in Australia, we only had 5 new cases today, and specifically here in the city of Adelaide and the state of South Australia, we had 1 case today ending 3 days of no new cases. Have to say here in Adelaide we've done extremely well and that's because people have followed the guidelines put in place by our government, state and federal

That's great. Worth noting though that Australia has one of the lowest population densities on earth, approximately 1/10th the density of the US, so it should be somewhat expected.

[MrSparkle]

Reality is that any rural area with lockdown precautions has such a low chance of outbreak due to spread living space.

This is a virus that does its damage in urban/event/public-transportation areas. Of course it can spread in isolated areas, but it’s entirely obvious why GOP leaders are being smug about re-opening and not overreacting. They want NY, Chi, SF, Seattle and Atlanta on their knees.

[moorhosj]

I understand the science as well but if you own a closed retail outlet and start dropping dimes every day then voicing your opinion in the strongest way you know how is most certainly your right, risks and all. When you are going broke fast who cares who anyone voted for 3 years ago?

All they want to do is stop bleeding money, and soon. IMO that's worth some horn honking so let them honk, were overdue for some decent protests and the media needs some new crap to talk about anyway before this all gets more repetitive and stale.

Oddly, during other large protests across the country (Black Lives Matter, for example) these same exact folks had a different opinion on how dangerous it was to block traffic, congregate in large numbers, and carry weapons.

Calling the deaths of 60k+ Americans "repetitive and stale" pretty much says it all.

Edit to add detail on how differently Fox News reported on protests. Note how one is focused on the "rights" of the protestors and another is focused on the inconvenience caused to everyone else:

[*] Laquan McDonald protest headline: Hundreds of protesters block busy Chicago street, demand mayor resign as he apologizes for police shooting
https://www.foxnews.com/us/hundreds-of-protesters-block-busy-chicago-street-demand-mayor-resign-as-he-apologizes-for-police-shooting

[*] Liberate Minnesota protest headline: 'Liberate Minnesota' protest organizer: 'We want our rights restored,' despite coronavirus threat
https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberate-minnesota-organizer-we-want-our-rights-restored[/list]