NBA Trade Thread # 3

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Blockbuster Zach Lavine, Thaddeus Young and Daniel Gafford for M.Porter Jr., Garry Harris, Rj Hampton, Zeke Naji, Bol Bol and future first round pick from Denver. Denver goes all in for win now with Murray,Lavine,Barton,Young,Jokic. Campazzo,Morris,Ja. Green,Milsap,Gafford/Hartenstain. Bulls look more for better draft position this year and get loaded with talent and upside. White,Harris,Porter,Markkanen,Carter. Satoransky,Hampton,Williams,Bol,Nnaji. Bulls with two max slots in free agency, all future firsts and one extra first from Nuggets.

[gobullschi]

What about taking on Horford's contract to get Poku, who's down in the g-league. I would consider:

Lauri/Otto for Poku/Horford/Diallo, which works $-wise.

Poku looked awful. I’d want a much better asset if the Bulls take Horfords contract. And the Bulls include Lauri?!?

I know he looked bad, but he's so young and show so much skill, I really wanted him in the draft.

AK had an opportunity to add Poku and he didn’t. I love his upside too, but that ship has sailed. He’s a nice prospect, but you are severely over-paying for a prospect that has proven nothing.

If the Bulls decide to move Thad for a 1st, drafting a high risk/high reward type prospect like Poku is the type of move I’d be in favor of.

[gobullschi]

Are Bulls fans really that spoiled these days than even Drummond as C aint good enough? Jeez..

Dont forget you spoiled kids, 21FA class will be poor..

Everyone wants a two-way player (on a team friendly deal) that ‘fits’ well with the team. The focus needs to be more driven based on player availability.

Do people really think that the Bulls will stand pat and do nothing with 60M in cap space?

[coldfish]

Are Bulls fans really that spoiled these days than even Drummond as C aint good enough? Jeez..

Dont forget you spoiled kids, 21FA class will be poor..

Correct me if I am wrong but Drummond was traded for a 2nd round pick and capspace by Detroit and now Cleveland has decided they would rather sit him than play him. These are two really bad teams and still they decided they want nothing to do with him.

Its not like Bulls fans are thumbing their nose at a player the NBA seems to love.

I strongly suspect he is going to be very disappointed in his offers this summer. Well, maybe not since he picked up his player option for this year instead of being a free agent, likely because he knew he would be better off.

[coldfish]

Are Bulls fans really that spoiled these days than even Drummond as C aint good enough? Jeez..

Dont forget you spoiled kids, 21FA class will be poor..

Everyone wants a two-way player (on a team friendly deal) that ‘fits’ well with the team. The focus needs to be more driven based on player availability.

Do people really think that the Bulls will stand pat and do nothing with 60M in cap space?

Just have to note that if the Bulls keep Thad and Sato, keep their pick and sign Lauri to his $20m deal, they will have like $8m in capspace.

[gobullschi]

Are Bulls fans really that spoiled these days than even Drummond as C aint good enough? Jeez..

Dont forget you spoiled kids, 21FA class will be poor..

Everyone wants a two-way player (on a team friendly deal) that ‘fits’ well with the team. The focus needs to be more driven based on player availability.

Do people really think that the Bulls will stand pat and do nothing with 60M in cap space?

Just have to note that if the Bulls keep Thad and Sato, keep their pick and sign Lauri to his $20m deal, they will have like $8m in capspace.

That’s not getting better - that’s staying the same. IMO, that would be a complete FLOP of an offseason.

[gobullschi]

Are Bulls fans really that spoiled these days than even Drummond as C aint good enough? Jeez..

Dont forget you spoiled kids, 21FA class will be poor..

Correct me if I am wrong but Drummond was traded for a 2nd round pick and capspace by Detroit and now Cleveland has decided they would rather sit him than play him. These are two really bad teams and still they decided they want nothing to do with him.

Its not like Bulls fans are thumbing their nose at a player the NBA seems to love.

I strongly suspect he is going to be very disappointed in his offers this summer. Well, maybe not since he picked up his player option for this year instead of being a free agent, likely because he knew he would be better off.

Be careful with your wording.

Cleveland isn’t ‘deciding to sit him rather than play him’ because he sucks. They’re doing it so he doesn’t get hurt and they lose out on an opportunity to get an asset. There is a big difference.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Bulls have Lauri's cap hold. They can surpass salary cap i believe 20% of Markkanen's contract, to not count against salary cap. I believe with Porter and Felicio expiring and trade Young and Sato for expiring deals, they would have 31 milions free cap space. First round pick salary is based on position. If Bulls pick 14 that is 4,5 mil, number 7 pick salary is around 7,5 mil.

[coldfish]

Everyone wants a two-way player (on a team friendly deal) that ‘fits’ well with the team. The focus needs to be more driven based on player availability.

Do people really think that the Bulls will stand pat and do nothing with 60M in cap space?

Just have to note that if the Bulls keep Thad and Sato, keep their pick and sign Lauri to his $20m deal, they will have like $8m in capspace.

That’s not getting better - that’s staying the same. IMO, that would be a complete FLOP of an offseason.

Obviously I want to see the team get better but the free agent situation this summer is going to be terrible. Teams are going to be paying big bucks for scrubs and immediately regretting it.

I hope people weren't planning on remaking the team with free agency.

[gobullschi]

Just have to note that if the Bulls keep Thad and Sato, keep their pick and sign Lauri to his $20m deal, they will have like $8m in capspace.

That’s not getting better - that’s staying the same. IMO, that would be a complete FLOP of an offseason.

Obviously I want to see the team get better but the free agent situation this summer is going to be terrible. Teams are going to be paying big bucks for scrubs and immediately regretting it.

I hope people weren't planning on remaking the team with free agency.

The free agent situation is what it is. You either add talent or don’t.

What are you suggesting they do with that cap space?

[sco]

Bulls have Lauri's cap hold. They can surpass salary cap i believe 20% of Markkanen's contract, to not count against salary cap. I believe with Porter and Felicio expiring and trade Young and Sato for expiring deals, they would have 31 milions free cap space. First round pick salary is based on position. If Bulls pick 14 that is 4,5 mil, number 7 pick salary is around 7,5 mil.

Better to trade Lauri for a pick in the teens, or better yet, as part of a package that brings back a better player. I think Lauri has more than demonstrated a lack of durability that suggests to me that the money is better spent elsewhere.

[weneeda2guard]

Can't keep holding on to lauri in hopes of him finally maturing to his full potential. With injuries piling up its easier to assume he will never reach that potential.

And what is is full potential? We hoping for a dirk, and we might not even get a Porzingis. He a 7ft scorer who doesn't rebound doesn't play defense and doesn't protect the rim. On top of that he not even a elite 3 pt shooter he avg. Small sample sizes in February can't warrant big money. We are a team with a lot of holes that the money given to lauri can fix. We need an elite rebounder. We need a good defensive pg. I think if we took that money then signed ish Smith for 2/10 mill and Robin lopez for 2/10 mill we would do much better in fixing our issues than giving lauri who is always a injury around the corner big money.

As far as the scoring lauri brings, we can just simply distribute those shots to coby and Patrick Williams. In fact since lauri has went out our scoring has not dropped in a significant manner maybe slightly. Patrick Williams being more aggressive solves that.

[weneeda2guard]

Looking around the league among other fans, I see some interest in some of our guys.

Of course lavine is on the top of everyone's list

But besides him I have seen interest in thad young lauri and even satoransky.

My hopes would be flipping all those guys for draft picks and expiring contracts.

Then using those newly acquired assets for a bigger trade like for KAT or Beal.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Based on production, age, potential it is really hard to find better player than Lauri on market in price range 15-20 mil in free agency. 33 yo Young is being payed 14,5 mil, Oubre 15 mil, Galinari,Bogdanovic,Bertans around 18 mil, Rudy Gay 13 mil, H.Barnes 20 mil,M.Morris 16, Kennard 16 mil. I personally if i am Bulls gm would pay Lauri 4/64 16 mil per year or 3/60, 20 mil per year with 4 year being team option. 19/7 with almost 40/50/90 is production being worth 15-20 mil on Nba market. Injury is concerne with almost every nba player, especially big man but he never suffer chronichal injury more like freak accidents that happends.

[sco]

Based on production, age, potential it is really hard to find better player than Lauri on market in price range 15-20 mil in free agency. 33 yo Young is being payed 14,5 mil, Oubre 15 mil, Galinari,Bogdanovic,Bertans around 18 mil, Rudy Gay 13 mil, H.Barnes 20 mil,M.Morris 16, Kennard 16 mil. I personally if i am Bulls gm would pay Lauri 4/64 16 mil per year or 3/60, 20 mil per year with 4 year being team option. 19/7 with almost 40/50/90 is production being worth 15-20 mil on Nba market. Injury is concerne with almost every nba player, especially big man but he never suffer chronichal injury more like freak accidents that happends.

Yeah - pass on a guy who hasn't suffered a chronic injury but is only available to play in 72% of his games during the first 3.3 years in the NBA. That stat won't get better with age.

[jordanwilliams6]

Based on production, age, potential it is really hard to find better player than Lauri on market in price range 15-20 mil in free agency. 33 yo Young is being payed 14,5 mil, Oubre 15 mil, Galinari,Bogdanovic,Bertans around 18 mil, Rudy Gay 13 mil, H.Barnes 20 mil,M.Morris 16, Kennard 16 mil. I personally if i am Bulls gm would pay Lauri 4/64 16 mil per year or 3/60, 20 mil per year with 4 year being team option. 19/7 with almost 40/50/90 is production being worth 15-20 mil on Nba market. Injury is concerne with almost every nba player, especially big man but he never suffer chronichal injury more like freak accidents that happends.

I agree that Lauri will comfortably be offered at least $20 million contract in an open NBA market, given the lack of decent FA options available. If we can lock him up at $15 mil a year I would do that, given it would be a tradeable contract if his injury issues remain and continue to impact our chances of winnings. Any more than that and I'm happy to let him walk instead of handcuffing ourselves in a direction early on in AKME's tenure.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Based on production, age, potential it is really hard to find better player than Lauri on market in price range 15-20 mil in free agency. 33 yo Young is being payed 14,5 mil, Oubre 15 mil, Galinari,Bogdanovic,Bertans around 18 mil, Rudy Gay 13 mil, H.Barnes 20 mil,M.Morris 16, Kennard 16 mil. I personally if i am Bulls gm would pay Lauri 4/64 16 mil per year or 3/60, 20 mil per year with 4 year being team option. 19/7 with almost 40/50/90 is production being worth 15-20 mil on Nba market. Injury is concerne with almost every nba player, especially big man but he never suffer chronichal injury more like freak accidents that happends.

Yeah - pass on a guy who hasn't suffered a chronic injury but is only available to play in 72% of his games during the first 3.3 years in the NBA. That stat won't get better with age.

Centers round up their bodies later than guards. Opposite to guards centers plays longer. Lot of examples of centers who got more durable and stronger when they hit their physicall prime. If Lauri went all 4 years to college this would be his rookie season.

[kodo]

Can't keep holding on to lauri in hopes of him finally maturing to his full potential. With injuries piling up its easier to assume he will never reach that potential.

And what is is full potential? We hoping for a dirk, and we might not even get a Porzingis. He a 7ft scorer who doesn't rebound doesn't play defense and doesn't protect the rim. On top of that he not even a elite 3 pt shooter he avg. Small sample sizes in February can't warrant big money. We are a team with a lot of holes that the money given to lauri can fix. We need an elite rebounder. We need a good defensive pg. I think if we took that money then signed ish Smith for 2/10 mill and Robin lopez for 2/10 mill we would do much better in fixing our issues than giving lauri who is always a injury around the corner big money.

As far as the scoring lauri brings, we can just simply distribute those shots to coby and Patrick Williams. In fact since lauri has went out our scoring has not dropped in a significant manner maybe slightly. Patrick Williams being more aggressive solves that.

Those shots going to Coby & Patrick have had pretty bad results.
Coby shoots 52% TS, Patrick 54% on ultra low volume. League average is 57.6%.
Lavine shoots 64%, Lauri 65%. Both on higher volume as well.

Patrick & Coby absolutely bring the scoring down. When Lavine & Lauri are in the lineups, our offensive rating is 115-116.
When Patrick & Coby are in the lineups are offensive ratings are 105 & 100.

Bulls are scoring despite Patrick & Coby, not because of them. It's mostly Lavine & Thad offsetting the terrible performance of these two. Obviously the hope is that they both improve leaps & bounds because of their age, but this season they've been terrible on offense. White in particular has been the worst of our 12 players who saw meaningful minutes. His 52% TS is only ahead of Devon Dotson who played 10 minutes for us.

[sco]

Based on production, age, potential it is really hard to find better player than Lauri on market in price range 15-20 mil in free agency. 33 yo Young is being payed 14,5 mil, Oubre 15 mil, Galinari,Bogdanovic,Bertans around 18 mil, Rudy Gay 13 mil, H.Barnes 20 mil,M.Morris 16, Kennard 16 mil. I personally if i am Bulls gm would pay Lauri 4/64 16 mil per year or 3/60, 20 mil per year with 4 year being team option. 19/7 with almost 40/50/90 is production being worth 15-20 mil on Nba market. Injury is concerne with almost every nba player, especially big man but he never suffer chronichal injury more like freak accidents that happends.

Yeah - pass on a guy who hasn't suffered a chronic injury but is only available to play in 72% of his games during the first 3.3 years in the NBA. That stat won't get better with age.

Centers round up their bodies later than guards. Opposite to guards centers plays longer. Lot of examples of centers who got more durable and stronger when they hit their physicall prime. If Lauri went all 4 years to college this would be his rookie season.

So, count me out on wanting "Lauri the center" on the Bulls...him banging down low is a recipe for DNP's and losses. As for "if Lauri were a rookie", I'd be fine because he'd be worth the risk on a rookie pay scale, but resigning him just seems like a losing proposition vs. alternatives.

[weneeda2guard]

Can't keep holding on to lauri in hopes of him finally maturing to his full potential. With injuries piling up its easier to assume he will never reach that potential.

And what is is full potential? We hoping for a dirk, and we might not even get a Porzingis. He a 7ft scorer who doesn't rebound doesn't play defense and doesn't protect the rim. On top of that he not even a elite 3 pt shooter he avg. Small sample sizes in February can't warrant big money. We are a team with a lot of holes that the money given to lauri can fix. We need an elite rebounder. We need a good defensive pg. I think if we took that money then signed ish Smith for 2/10 mill and Robin lopez for 2/10 mill we would do much better in fixing our issues than giving lauri who is always a injury around the corner big money.

As far as the scoring lauri brings, we can just simply distribute those shots to coby and Patrick Williams. In fact since lauri has went out our scoring has not dropped in a significant manner maybe slightly. Patrick Williams being more aggressive solves that.

Those shots going to Coby & Patrick have had pretty bad results.
Coby shoots 52% TS, Patrick 54% on ultra low volume. League average is 57.6%.
Lavine shoots 64%, Lauri 65%. Both on higher volume as well.

Patrick & Coby absolutely bring the scoring down. When Lavine & Lauri are in the lineups, our offensive rating is 115-116.
When Patrick & Coby are in the lineups are offensive ratings are 105 & 100.

Bulls are scoring despite Patrick & Coby, not because of them. It's mostly Lavine & Thad offsetting the terrible performance of these two. Obviously the hope is that they both improve leaps & bounds because of their age, but this season they've been terrible on offense. White in particular has been the worst of our 12 players who saw meaningful minutes. His 52% TS is only ahead of Devon Dotson who played 10 minutes for us.

Meh coby and pwill are younger they will get better.

You all keep trying to zero in on some scoring from lauri he not even elite he just a bit better than bad.

But you can't ignore often injured. You can't ignore he doesn't impact the game any other way but scoring. Our franchise needs more than him. And if you want to not credit pwill and coby for our sustained scoring or not it still makes a major point, we are not suffering from his lack of scoring. Not in our efficiency, offensive ratings or in the wins or loss column. We don't need lauri scoring. We need rebounding defensive wings and another play maker at the pg position. We would be better off taking the money we would give lauri and just signing cheaper guys who specialize in some of those areas that can fix our holes. Even checking our points in the paint we still maintained that. We can get a 35% 3pt shooter from the g league.

Time to move on from lauri.