TheJordanRule wrote:dougthonus wrote:Jeffster81 wrote:Oh come on. Do you honestly believe that Brady would have won that Super Bowl with any other team other than an absolutely LOADED TB team? No, he would not have. Tom NEEDED the absolute perfect situation to be successful and he found it in Tampa. Yeah he won a title without BB but he needed the perfection sitation to make it work.
The loaded team that went 7-9 the previous season with the primary change being Tom Brady at QB? Yes, I think Tom Brady probably could have won the super bowl with other teams. Would he have won it with every team? No, of course not, but at his age, WAY past his prime, to even win won with _any_ team is eyepopping. TB was a good fit, because they generally had good skill players, but this wasn't KD joining the 73 win Warriors by any stretch.NFL cannot really have a "GOAT" of the sport because there are too many varibles to take into account. Being a great player in the NFL more so than any other sport, takes a tremendous amount of luck and opportunity. It's why I cannot call Brady or anybody the "GOAT" of the NFL.
That can certainly be your opinion, but QB so obviously moves the needle more than every other position in the NFL by such a massive amount that it is pretty obvious the GOAT NFL player is a QB, and it's also pretty obvious that Tom Brady is that player. I don't even like Tom Brady and have rooted against him his whole career, but this is about as open and shut a case as Jordan in the NBA, maybe even more so.
Tom Brady is someone I've always rooted against, including last year so there is no pro-Brady bias coming from me by any stretch of the imagination. But what we watched last year was undeniable all-time greatness. During the Belichek era, we were always told that Tom was winning because of the conservative game plan. That Tom's arm was alright or above average but certainly not elite. That New England's coaching, and running game, and defense elevated Tom. Then, at an age when most NFL QBs are not only put to pasture but have BEEN in the pasture for half a decade, Tom went out and proved that no, HE was the one who had been elevating THEM. Tom was asked to air it out on almost every play with a brand new playbook and offensive philosophy that was the polar opposite of anything the Patriots had dreamt up. There were huge stretches when Tampa completely abandoned the running game. And in this crazy offense that kept going deep, with brand new teammates at almost every major position, Tom kicked major ass on his way to winning an unprecedented 7th Super Bowl. No NFL franchise has ever won seven chips. Brady has. Let that sink in. I wanted Tom to fade. He was too corny and clumsy in interviews, he bagged one of the hottest chicks ever, and after about four years I got sick of bandwagon NFL fans screaming about him every five seconds. But Tom's greatness is undeniable at this point. He had next to no time to prepare for the season with his new team. He was too freaking old. He chose a bottom rung team that its own fans called the "Suckaneers". And within a few months Brady imposed his will on that roster, finding the greatness in them. It's unreal. About as unreal as the offseason that the Bucs have had, with Brady convincing every impact player to return for one more season. Whether Brady wins another chip or not, NOBODY has ever played the game at his level, and based on the seven Super Bowl rings alone, it'll be a hundred years before we find another one that does.
the Bears actually have 8 "chips". The Packers have 11 or 12.
