Dennis Schroder, Lonzo Ball, Reggie Jackson, Dinwiddie, Cameron Payne, Lowry, take your pick

Pax for Prez · Post #441 » by **Pax for Prez** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:37 pm

Grodoboldo · Post #442 » by **Grodoboldo** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:21 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263533/Spencer-Dinwiddie-To-Receive-Interest-From-Nets-Wizards-Knicks-Heat-Raptors

I don't understand why we'd be interested in Schroeder but not in Dinwiddie. Neither is a perfect fit, of course, but I don't see how anyone would argue Schroeder is the best player between the two of them.
I also think we have a tradeable contract (Thad) that would be a much better fit in BKY than in LA if we wanted to do a S&T.

kodo · Post #443 » by **kodo** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:30 pm

RE: Dinwiddie
I think it's just the uncertainty of the ACL tear, even after 1 year the player isn't back to 100% athletically. It's a process. We saw that with Lavine, who was pretty bad his first year back from ACL and he had one of the best ACL recoveries we've ever seen in the NBA.

sco · Post #444 » by **sco** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:40 pm

kodo wrote:RE: Dinwiddie
I think it's just the uncertainty of the ACL tear, even after 1 year the player isn't back to 100% athletically. It's a process. We saw that with Lavine, who was pretty bad his first year back from ACL and he had one of the best ACL recoveries we've ever seen in the NBA.

I look at Dinwiddie as a "combo guard". I use that term in the derogatory sense as I see him as a SG who can't shoot, but a guy who can handle the ball, but not play make for others (any better than Coby did - which was below average), but he's an above average defender.

League Circles · Post #445 » by **League Circles** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:01 pm

Yeah Dinwiddie has the injury and a very short established period of success. Schroder is durable and has a much longer history of solid play.

Madd Squabbles · Post #446 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:28 am

sco wrote:I'm still baffled why folks think the Bulls will need to pay more than a mid-high teen millions for guys like Ball or, especially Schroder? At least as of now, I am not aware of any other team rumored to want either guy with the cap space to offer more than that. I get that they want more, but I would think either guy would sign a $16M deal if that was the best deal on the table.

Pels would happily match such a low offer for Ball.

Andi Obst · Post #447 » by **Andi Obst** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:47 am

My final Bulls-specific (and 100% serious) ranking of the candidates discussed in this thread:

Lowry (probably not for 3 years, which he's going to want and get)
Graham (assuming he's cheaper than Lonzo)

Lonzo (under 20 mil)
Dinwiddie

Rose
Jackson
Caruso
Payne

Get Blakeney out of jail, max and start him

McConnell
Schröder

Not in love with any free agent option, but also don't really know what could be available on the trade market. Still have a feeling we might go for Kemba.

Grodoboldo · Post #448 » by **Grodoboldo** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:26 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

"That would still leave New York and Chicago with vacancies at point guard. For the Bulls, there's believed to be mutual interest with Lonzo Ball on a four-year deal worth over $80 million. If the Pelicans do not renounce Ball, that agreement would have to come via an offer sheet, which New Orleans would have the option to match.

Regardless of that outcome, there are strong indications from league sources that mutual interest exists between Derrick Rose and his storied hometown franchise, where he claimed league MVP honors in 2010-11. It's unclear how Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau can stand in the way of the Bulls' potential advances, and Chicago will need to shed contracts to bring on two ball-handlers at such expected salaries. In any case, Chicago will likely search for more than one point guard on the free-agent market, with a goal of pushing its Zach Lavine-Nikola Vucevic tandem into the postseason, especially as Coby White recovers from a shoulder injury."

Many interesting tidbits there. Rumors of a McCollum - Siakam trade, Dinwiddie to Washington in a S&T, and more.

Chi town · Post #449 » by **Chi town** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:53 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

"That would still leave New York and Chicago with vacancies at point guard. For the Bulls, there's believed to be mutual interest with Lonzo Ball on a four-year deal worth over $80 million. If the Pelicans do not renounce Ball, that agreement would have to come via an offer sheet, which New Orleans would have the option to match.

Regardless of that outcome, there are strong indications from league sources that mutual interest exists between Derrick Rose and his storied hometown franchise, where he claimed league MVP honors in 2010-11. It's unclear how Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau can stand in the way of the Bulls' potential advances, and Chicago will need to shed contracts to bring on two ball-handlers at such expected salaries. In any case, Chicago will likely search for more than one point guard on the free-agent market, with a goal of pushing its Zach Lavine-Nikola Vucevic tandem into the postseason, especially as Coby White recovers from a shoulder injury."

Many interesting tidbits there. Rumors of a McCollum - Siakam trade, Dinwiddie to Washington in a S&T, and more.

I think Lonzo wants Chicago. As for Rose and Lonzo… see now way of that happening unless Rose is playing for the room MLE.

sco · Post #450 » by **sco** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:55 pm

Chi town wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

"That would still leave New York and Chicago with vacancies at point guard. For the Bulls, there's believed to be mutual interest with Lonzo Ball on a four-year deal worth over $80 million. If the Pelicans do not renounce Ball, that agreement would have to come via an offer sheet, which New Orleans would have the option to match.

Regardless of that outcome, there are strong indications from league sources that mutual interest exists between Derrick Rose and his storied hometown franchise, where he claimed league MVP honors in 2010-11. It's unclear how Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau can stand in the way of the Bulls' potential advances, and Chicago will need to shed contracts to bring on two ball-handlers at such expected salaries. In any case, Chicago will likely search for more than one point guard on the free-agent market, with a goal of pushing its Zach Lavine-Nikola Vucevic tandem into the postseason, especially as Coby White recovers from a shoulder injury."

Many interesting tidbits there. Rumors of a McCollum - Siakam trade, Dinwiddie to Washington in a S&T, and more.

I think Lonzo wants Chicago. As for Rose and Lonzo… see now way of that happening unless Rose is playing for the room MLE.

I don't think NO wants the salary back, otherwise I could see a S&T for Lonzo allowing us to offer full MLE to Rose.

Chi town · Post #451 » by **Chi town** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:04 pm

From above article…

Theis to HOU in S&T for 8M TPE.

No Theis. Makes me wonder if Thad and Sato don’t have any value around the league. Who will be our starting PF?

Chi town · Post #452 » by **Chi town** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:05 pm

I’m betting Griffin breaks the bank to get Lowry which means they will renounce Ball and make him an UFA.

sco · Post #453 » by **sco** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:07 pm

Chi town wrote:From above article…

Theis to HOU in S&T for 8M TPE.

No Theis. Makes me wonder if Thad and Sato don’t have any value around the league. Who will be our starting PF?

Good catch! That would be a bummer. Under that situation, we would likely shift Pat over.

MGB8 · Post #454 » by **MGB8** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:15 pm

What if the issue is the “old boys” network and folks don’t want to deal with AK and Ersley (sp) except when it’s an obvious win from their POV? As opposed to Paxson with more established relationships?

sco · Post #455 » by **sco** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:19 pm

MGB8 wrote:What if the issue is the “old boys” network and folks don’t want to deal with AK and Ersley (sp) except when it’s an obvious win from their POV? As opposed to Paxson with more established relationships?

I could see it owners made the deals, but IMO AKME have pretty wide-spread league relationships...also, unlike perennial winners, the Bulls don't have many rivals who care about keeping them down anymore.

Grodoboldo · Post #456 » by **Grodoboldo** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:26 pm

Chi town wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

"That would still leave New York and Chicago with vacancies at point guard. For the Bulls, there's believed to be mutual interest with Lonzo Ball on a four-year deal worth over $80 million. If the Pelicans do not renounce Ball, that agreement would have to come via an offer sheet, which New Orleans would have the option to match.

Regardless of that outcome, there are strong indications from league sources that mutual interest exists between Derrick Rose and his storied hometown franchise, where he claimed league MVP honors in 2010-11. It's unclear how Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau can stand in the way of the Bulls' potential advances, and Chicago will need to shed contracts to bring on two ball-handlers at such expected salaries. In any case, Chicago will likely search for more than one point guard on the free-agent market, with a goal of pushing its Zach Lavine-Nikola Vucevic tandem into the postseason, especially as Coby White recovers from a shoulder injury."

Many interesting tidbits there. Rumors of a McCollum - Siakam trade, Dinwiddie to Washington in a S&T, and more.

I think Lonzo wants Chicago. As for Rose and Lonzo… see now way of that happening unless Rose is playing for the room MLE.

Another thing it shows is that the Bulls FO (and Billy) acknowledge that Ball isn't a real full time initiator, but more of a 3&D wing with some creation on the side. Rightly so, IMO.

sco · Post #457 » by **sco** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:32 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

"That would still leave New York and Chicago with vacancies at point guard. For the Bulls, there's believed to be mutual interest with Lonzo Ball on a four-year deal worth over $80 million. If the Pelicans do not renounce Ball, that agreement would have to come via an offer sheet, which New Orleans would have the option to match.

Regardless of that outcome, there are strong indications from league sources that mutual interest exists between Derrick Rose and his storied hometown franchise, where he claimed league MVP honors in 2010-11. It's unclear how Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau can stand in the way of the Bulls' potential advances, and Chicago will need to shed contracts to bring on two ball-handlers at such expected salaries. In any case, Chicago will likely search for more than one point guard on the free-agent market, with a goal of pushing its Zach Lavine-Nikola Vucevic tandem into the postseason, especially as Coby White recovers from a shoulder injury."

Many interesting tidbits there. Rumors of a McCollum - Siakam trade, Dinwiddie to Washington in a S&T, and more.

I think Lonzo wants Chicago. As for Rose and Lonzo… see now way of that happening unless Rose is playing for the room MLE.

Another thing it shows is that the Bulls FO (and Billy) acknowledge that Ball isn't a real full time initiator, but more of a 3&D wing with some creation on the side. Rightly so, IMO.

I think that's a reach. I think the Bulls need a plan A (Ball), B (Rose) and C (Schroder?).

Chi town · Post #458 » by **Chi town** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:38 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel

"That would still leave New York and Chicago with vacancies at point guard. For the Bulls, there's believed to be mutual interest with Lonzo Ball on a four-year deal worth over $80 million. If the Pelicans do not renounce Ball, that agreement would have to come via an offer sheet, which New Orleans would have the option to match.

Regardless of that outcome, there are strong indications from league sources that mutual interest exists between Derrick Rose and his storied hometown franchise, where he claimed league MVP honors in 2010-11. It's unclear how Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau can stand in the way of the Bulls' potential advances, and Chicago will need to shed contracts to bring on two ball-handlers at such expected salaries. In any case, Chicago will likely search for more than one point guard on the free-agent market, with a goal of pushing its Zach Lavine-Nikola Vucevic tandem into the postseason, especially as Coby White recovers from a shoulder injury."

Many interesting tidbits there. Rumors of a McCollum - Siakam trade, Dinwiddie to Washington in a S&T, and more.

I think Lonzo wants Chicago. As for Rose and Lonzo… see now way of that happening unless Rose is playing for the room MLE.

Another thing it shows is that the Bulls FO (and Billy) acknowledge that Ball isn't a real full time initiator, but more of a 3&D wing with some creation on the side. Rightly so, IMO.

Which makes sense they want both Rose and Lonzo. Then it would seem that PW has to be our PF

holv03 · Post #459 » by **holv03** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:40 pm

At the start of free agency I could see the Bulls and Lonzo Ball coming to an agreement on a 4 year deal worth around $84M. If that doesnt happen I could see Chicago going after Schroder. The thing is nobody really knows what AK will do a perfect example of that was the trade deadline deal that landed Vucevic.

I cant wait til the start of free agency I would like to see what the team will look like for the up coming year.

sco · Post #460 » by **sco** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:45 pm

holv03 wrote:At the start of free agency I could see the Bulls and Lonzo Ball coming to an agreement on a 4 year deal worth around $84M. If that doesnt happen I could see Chicago going after Schroder. The thing is nobody really knows what AK will do a perfect example of that was the trade deadline deal that landed Vucevic.

I cant wait til the start of free agency I would like to see what the team will look like for the up coming year.

Totally agree that that's the plan. Schroder isn't rumored to have any other suiters, and they may be able to get him on a much cheaper/shorter deal than Ball.