Bump thread for Kevin Durant

SfBull · Post #441 » by **SfBull** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 10:01 am

JordansBulls wrote:
bulls_troy wrote:
SfBull wrote:Such package would match his huge contract without going beyond the cap?

Based on the ESPN trade machine, this works. That's how I came up with this deal

Brooklyn ain't doing this unless Zach is involved period.

Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.Swapping Zach plus others for matching Durant's contract would turn us in contenders depending on which players would stay in Chicago.But I'd do that trade considering that Durant has at least 3 years of high level play ( maybe even 4) and his presence could attract high level free agents next seasons.

SfBull · Post #442 » by **SfBull** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 10:03 am

greenwing wrote:If the report that Vucevic helped recruit Dragic to Chicago is true then I think that pours ice on any potential Durant to Chicago scenario. Wouldn’t Vucevic have to be included in a Durant trade? I don’t see us moving DeRozan in a Durant deal.

Vucevic helped recruiting DeMar and now Dragic and we'll stay out of contention for the next season.

greenwing · Post #443 » by **greenwing** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 1:41 pm

SfBull wrote:
greenwing wrote:If the report that Vucevic helped recruit Dragic to Chicago is true then I think that pours ice on any potential Durant to Chicago scenario. Wouldn’t Vucevic have to be included in a Durant trade? I don’t see us moving DeRozan in a Durant deal.

Vucevic helped recruiting DeMar and now Dragic and we'll stay out of contention for the next season.

I don’t agree. If we stay healthy we have every bit of chance making it to the Finals as Boston did last season. This roster on paper is already better than last season.

Improvements made so far (in theory):

1. Healthy Patrick Williams
2. Healthy Zach Lavine
3. Upgraded Tristan Thompson with Andre Drummond
4. Added Dalen Terry over Troy Brown Jr
5. Added veteran presence and insurance point guard (which we didn’t have last season) in Goran Dragic
6. Returning players now more experienced playing as a unit

Negatives:
1. Lonzo Ball health (big question mark)
2. Need a true rim protector
3. Need another big man shooter (Gallinari would have been a great fit but he’s not coming here)

Overall this is a better roster. Lonzo’s health I think is the biggest issue here but if he comes back healthy then the Bulls will be tough to beat again.

Stratmaster · Post #444 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 3:17 pm

SfBull wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
SfBull wrote:AK is working on the margins.Nothing special happening for the Bulls in free agency.Prepare yourself for another exciting preseason games followed by a 40-45 regular season winning record with another 1st round exit.And don´t forget about being excited how Pat´s game has evolved.
So your prediction is the Bulls will not win more games than they did last season?

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Yes, I believe the Bulls won't win more than 46 regular season games even if healthy.Do you believe in something around 50-55 wins?As if being healthy was the most important reason why we didn't win more games?
I believe that team's flaws were more clearly exposed after Ball's injury but they were there before especially when playing against East's top teams.I keep believing that these flaws should be addressed on free agency not being delusional of solving at least some of them with a #18 draft pick.But our offseason moves have been so weak that I can't really believe in a better record than 46-36.

Yes. Abso-f*c*ing-lutely injuries were the most important reason we didn't win more games. To say they weren't is just illogical. You can claim the Bulls injuries weren't worse than anyone else's (and I would disagree), but you can't say that if they had been healthy all season they wouldn't have won at least one more game FFS. Didn't they win 39 out of their first 60 before the injuries piled up?

But I didn't say anything about being healthy. And I will take the over.

StunnerKO · Post #445 » by **StunnerKO** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 3:38 pm

weneeda2guard · Post #446 » by **weneeda2guard** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 4:23 pm

Demar derozan for Durant makes a ton of sense for both sides. Derozan not exactly chop liver here he did just make 2nd team all nba and if the nets are concerned with remaining competitive, demar does more to keep the nets competitive than bam adebayo or deandre ayton or pascal siakam does. In time bam ayton etc might serve to be better but right now derozan keeps you competitive.

You won't get this historic haul for Durant but I doubt you were getting that anyway. Derozan, Patrick Williams, ayo donsumu, Portland pick, our next pick and 2 pick swaps is a great haul for a 34 year old Durant.

sco · Post #447 » by **sco** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 5:05 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:Demar derozan for Durant makes a ton of sense for both sides. Derozan not exactly chop liver here he did just make 2nd team all nba and if the nets are concerned with remaining competitive, demar does more to keep the nets competitive than bam adebayo or deandre ayton or pascal siakam does. In time bam ayton etc might serve to be better but right now derozan keeps you competitive.

You won't get this historic haul for Durant but I doubt you were getting that anyway. Derozan, Patrick Williams, ayo donsumu, Portland pick, our next pick and 2 pick swaps is a great haul for a 34 year old Durant.

BKN by trading KD is rebuilding...a 32 year old Derozan plus the other pieces aren't as much as they'll get from other teams.

the ultimates · Post #448 » by **the ultimates** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 5:57 pm

Who are the Bulls trading for KD and what's the leadership of the team going to look like? He can be the best player and lead you on the court but he can't lead or hold players accountable behind the scenes. He, Russ, and Harden got to a final and lost to Lebron. He and Russ blew a 3-1 to GSW. He and Kyrie were involved in player decisions and coaching decisions. When Harden left the Nets I didn't hear anything about KD trying to convince him to stay. I don't want the Bulls to trade for guy who messed up Brooklyn and then want's to look for the first train out of dodge.

TheStig · Post #449 » by **TheStig** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 6:07 pm

Am I crazy but does a KD and Kyrie for DDR, Vuc, Ball, White and picks/Swaps make sense.

Net's are left with a playoff team with Ball, DDR, Simmoms, Vuc, Harris, Mills, Oneal, Mills, Claxton.

We have Kyrie, Lavine, KD, Pwill, Drummond, Caruso, Dragic, Ayo, DJ and Bradley. Probably want to sign some bigs.

We contend, they make the playoffs with a hard working and competitive team.

MisterRoy · Post #450 » by **MisterRoy** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 6:09 pm

I think if the FO wants to make Zach the leader of this team, KD and Kyrie together need to stay away. KD by himself maybe but that's it.

Sent from somewhere you've never been.

TheStig · Post #451 » by **TheStig** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 6:21 pm

MisterRoy wrote:I think if the FO wants to make Zach the leader of this team, KD and Kyrie together need to stay away. KD by himself maybe but that's it.

Sent from somewhere you've never been.

Zach is not the leader now. He's behind DDR now. KD is a real superstar and Kyrie is part of the price to get him. Even if he doesn't play, you just slide in Caruso or Ayo.

dice · Post #452 » by **dice** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 6:52 pm

TheStig wrote:Am I crazy but does a KD and Kyrie for DDR, Vuc, Ball, White and picks/Swaps make sense.

Net's are left with a playoff team with Ball, DDR, Simmoms, Vuc, Harris, Mills, Oneal, Mills, Claxton.

We have Kyrie, Lavine, KD, Pwill, Drummond, Caruso, Dragic, Ayo, DJ and Bradley. Probably want to sign some bigs.

We contend, they make the playoffs with a hard working and competitive team.

i don't think the nets are interested in trading a contending team for a mere playoff team. if they sell the farm it will very likely be for a haul of draft picks and a rebuild

TheStig · Post #453 » by **TheStig** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 8:02 pm

dice wrote:
TheStig wrote:Am I crazy but does a KD and Kyrie for DDR, Vuc, Ball, White and picks/Swaps make sense.

Net's are left with a playoff team with Ball, DDR, Simmoms, Vuc, Harris, Mills, Oneal, Mills, Claxton.

We have Kyrie, Lavine, KD, Pwill, Drummond, Caruso, Dragic, Ayo, DJ and Bradley. Probably want to sign some bigs.

We contend, they make the playoffs with a hard working and competitive team.

i don't think the nets are interested in trading a contending team for a mere playoff team. if they sell the farm it will very likely be for a haul of draft picks and a rebuild

Remember the Nets lose their draft pick for years to Houston. This deal will get them in the playoffs for a few years, give them a good young player too and by picks and swaps, we are giving up our draft to them. So it's a competitive package.

Chi town · Post #454 » by **Chi town** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 9:10 pm

Whoever takes on that Simmons contract is going to get Durant.

WindyCityBorn · Post #455 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 9:29 pm

Bulls are not getting Durant.

dribble1614 · Post #456 » by **dribble1614** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 9:55 pm

bulls have nothing to lose by giving the nets the best offer possible. what’s the worst that happens if you give up the farm? you make some deep playoffs runs and narrowly miss winning titles. it’s not like developing homegrown talent and using FRPs since the jordan era has resulted in anything better. durant on the bulls i would guess leads to at least a title.

the ultimates · Post #457 » by **the ultimates** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 11:00 pm

dribble1614 wrote:bulls have nothing to lose by giving the nets the best offer possible. what’s the worst that happens if you give up the farm? you make some deep playoffs runs and narrowly miss winning titles. it’s not like developing homegrown talent and using FRPs since the jordan era has resulted in anything better. durant on the bulls i would guess leads to at least a title.

Brooklyn didn't make any deep playoff runs and definitely didn't narrowly miss any titles that's with Durant influencing coaching and personnel decisions. So if the Bulls trade the farm for him why should I assume they'll be better than one second-around appearance like KD did with the Nets.

dribble1614 · Post #458 » by **dribble1614** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 11:06 pm

the ultimates wrote:
dribble1614 wrote:bulls have nothing to lose by giving the nets the best offer possible. what’s the worst that happens if you give up the farm? you make some deep playoffs runs and narrowly miss winning titles. it’s not like developing homegrown talent and using FRPs since the jordan era has resulted in anything better. durant on the bulls i would guess leads to at least a title.

Brooklyn didn't make any deep playoff runs and definitely didn't narrowly miss any titles that's with Durant influencing coaching and personnel decisions. So if the Bulls trade the farm for him why should I assume they'll be better than one second-around appearance like KD did with the Nets.

that was in large part to the loony kyrie getting injured and sitting out games inexplicably creating all kinds of chemistry issues and chaos.

basically there's probably about 6-7 players currently who can be the best player on a win-it-all team and durant is in that rare category. it's an obvious risk worth taking to me, especially if the alternative doesn't suggest much more than 5-8 seeds annually.

the ultimates · Post #459 » by **the ultimates** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 11:26 pm

dribble1614 wrote:
the ultimates wrote:
dribble1614 wrote:bulls have nothing to lose by giving the nets the best offer possible. what’s the worst that happens if you give up the farm? you make some deep playoffs runs and narrowly miss winning titles. it’s not like developing homegrown talent and using FRPs since the jordan era has resulted in anything better. durant on the bulls i would guess leads to at least a title.

Brooklyn didn't make any deep playoff runs and definitely didn't narrowly miss any titles that's with Durant influencing coaching and personnel decisions. So if the Bulls trade the farm for him why should I assume they'll be better than one second-around appearance like KD did with the Nets.

that was in large part to the loony kyrie getting injured and sitting out games inexplicably creating all kinds of chemistry issues and chaos.

basically there's probably about 6-7 players currently who can be the best player on a win-it-all team and durant is in that rare category. it's an obvious risk worth taking to me, especially if the alternative doesn't suggest much more than 5-8 seeds annually.

KD knew exactly how unreliable Kyrie was when they both signed with the Nets. KD doesn't get a pass for that. What about KD wanting the trade for Harden and then not trying to convince James another friend to stay instead of demanding a trade when things got tough?

You are right KD can be the best player on a championship team like he did in GSW but he was never a team leader in Golden State and never influenced coaching or personnel decisions. I would rather be 5-8 seed than rely on a guy who got everything he wanted in Brooklyn messed everything up and then bounced when the going got tough.

WindyCityBorn · Post #460 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Tue Jul 5, 2022 12:16 am

dribble1614 wrote:
the ultimates wrote:
dribble1614 wrote:bulls have nothing to lose by giving the nets the best offer possible. what’s the worst that happens if you give up the farm? you make some deep playoffs runs and narrowly miss winning titles. it’s not like developing homegrown talent and using FRPs since the jordan era has resulted in anything better. durant on the bulls i would guess leads to at least a title.

Brooklyn didn't make any deep playoff runs and definitely didn't narrowly miss any titles that's with Durant influencing coaching and personnel decisions. So if the Bulls trade the farm for him why should I assume they'll be better than one second-around appearance like KD did with the Nets.

that was in large part to the loony kyrie getting injured and sitting out games inexplicably creating all kinds of chemistry issues and chaos.

basically there's probably about 6-7 players currently who can be the best player on a win-it-all team and durant is in that rare category. it's an obvious risk worth taking to me, especially if the alternative doesn't suggest much more than 5-8 seeds annually.

KD is not a leader and has never led a team to win anything. He only has one Finals appearance without being a coattail rider with GS.