NBA Trade Thread #12

[Donkedave]

Vucevic traded for 2nd rounder/s - one spot opens
Carter not picking up his p.o. or eventually streched, two spots open
THT not resigned - third spot opens
We can use trade exception worth around 17M..

We currently have 11 players signed, Giddey, Jones, draft pick would put as at 14.

One team that probably nobody watches as probable Vucevic destination is Milwaukee I think. Brook is already 37 and with Giannis at PF, they can have a bit more offensive center. Just imho.. team to watch

You really think that Vucevic gets traded to Atlanta or Brooklyn for 2 2nds?

They are the only ones that have cap and TPE big enough to take his salary. Get a grip dude, we are taking 1 or 2 players in return unless it’s a 2 for 1 the other way.

Vucevic and Carter for Rozier type deal!

[sco]

Vucevic traded for 2nd rounder/s - one spot opens
Carter not picking up his p.o. or eventually streched, two spots open
THT not resigned - third spot opens
We can use trade exception worth around 17M..

We currently have 11 players signed, Giddey, Jones, draft pick would put as at 14.

One team that probably nobody watches as probable Vucevic destination is Milwaukee I think. Brook is already 37 and with Giannis at PF, they can have a bit more offensive center. Just imho.. team to watch

You are right. I must have been counting our 2nd round pick. Made my day!

I love your optimism but I struggle to think of a team that will be willing/able to absorb Vuc's salary, much less give us 2nd round picks. Can you?
I wouldn't bother stretching Carter next season, better to have more space in future seasons.

[sco]

Not that I think our FO would do it, but I would like to see a Smith for Gafford trade straight up. Saves DAL $5.3M and gives them room to work with under the cap. They need to move on from Gafford with Lively starting. Smith would be good for them. And if we aren't willing to play Smith, I'd prefer Gafford.

[sco]

With DEN's struggles when Joker is off the court, I wonder if they'd consider:

Vuc/PWill for Porter Jr. - Saves them money on his bad deal. PWill could be a reclaimation project for them. Porter is overpaid but is at least a starting level player and rolls-forward some of our expirings, while shortening our PWill exposure. Opens a roster spot for us.

[Infinity2152]

Vucevic traded for 2nd rounder/s - one spot opens
Carter not picking up his p.o. or eventually streched, two spots open
THT not resigned - third spot opens
We can use trade exception worth around 17M..

We currently have 11 players signed, Giddey, Jones, draft pick would put as at 14.

One team that probably nobody watches as probable Vucevic destination is Milwaukee I think. Brook is already 37 and with Giannis at PF, they can have a bit more offensive center. Just imho.. team to watch

Damn good point about Milwaukee. Hadn't considered them. Brook is not only 37, but a free agent this summer. No way he's getting a starting center contract, if he doesn't just retire.

Be pretty hard to do contract wise with Bucks, without taking an expiring Portis or Pat Connaughton in the deal. Wouldn't mind taking Portis's 13.4 mill expiring at all for Vuc, no picks needed. Portis is 30, not much younger than Vuc but fits our needs way more. He can play PF.

[WesPeace]

Vucevic traded for 2nd rounder/s - one spot opens
Carter not picking up his p.o. or eventually streched, two spots open
THT not resigned - third spot opens
We can use trade exception worth around 17M..

We currently have 11 players signed, Giddey, Jones, draft pick would put as at 14.

One team that probably nobody watches as probable Vucevic destination is Milwaukee I think. Brook is already 37 and with Giannis at PF, they can have a bit more offensive center. Just imho.. team to watch

You are right. I must have been counting our 2nd round pick. Made my day!

I love your optimism but I struggle to think of a team that will be willing/able to absorb Vuc's salary, much less give us 2nd round picks. Can you?
I wouldn't bother stretching Carter next season, better to have more space in future seasons.

Unlikely yes, but hope never dies lol..

You can see one big trade happening and then the snowball effect takes place and chairs gets moved as on sinking Titanic

[WesPeace]

Cleveland is in trouble salary wise with their big contracts roster and Mobley DPOY bonus puts them in even tougher spot.

Hunter with 23M and Okoro at 11M for defensive SF spot would be good pickups in a trade for PWill, Phillips and 2nd rounder. We get two defensive wings and Cavs get worse defensive wings back, but save 14M. Cavs will need to trim down salaries and will be in no place to demand much in trades than to be happy to shed salary.
Imagine then even getting Gafford back for Vucevic in a trade with Dallas.

That would be one hellava offseason.
We get 3 defensive great players and we round up roster pretty nicely.

Giddey, Jones, Ball
White, Huerter, Ayo
Hunter, Okoro, Terry
Buzelis, Smith, Liddell
Gafford, Collins,
Plus #12

[Ccwatercraft]

Buls will have some exceptions to play with this offseason without taking on long term cap. Should be able to fill the roster nicely with vets. There's no cap space in the league, so there should be some great mid-range, low range deals this summer.

can we waive & stretch carter, save 4 mil and a roster spot, then do Terry as well? That opens two spots and 8 million more to absorb in a trade.

[Ccwatercraft]

Cleveland is in trouble salary wise with their big contracts roster and Mobley DPOY bonus puts them in even tougher spot.

Hunter with 23M and Okoro at 11M for defensive SF spot would be good pickups in a trade for PWill, Phillips and 2nd rounder. We get two defensive wings and Cavs get worse defensive wings back, but save 14M. Cavs will need to trim down salaries and will be in no place to demand much in trades than to be happy to shed salary.
Imagine then even getting Gafford back for Vucevic in a trade with Dallas.

That would be one hellava offseason.
We get 3 defensive great players and we round up roster pretty nicely.

Giddey, Jones, Ball
White, Huerter, Ayo
Hunter, Okoro, Terry
Buzelis, Smith, Liddell
Gafford, Collins,
Plus #12

Mobley gets like 7 extra million, and I think I read it was automatic. They are over 2nd apron and no draft pick

[Chi town]

Naz playing well in the playoffs and only 25.

He doesn’t give rim big protection but he does score and space the floor. Can really score and plays PNR D.

Jalen Smith and a 2nd for Naz and our TPE?

Don’t think Wolves can resign him and will need a big to replace him.

[Infinity2152]

Thoughts: Naz Reid is great. Most of us I think would like to have him, lot think Minny won't let him go. There are several ways we could clear enough cap to make a legit offer Minny has to think hard to match, but the further they go in the playoffs, the less ikely they let him go.

No way Brook Lopez is the starting center for the Bucks next year. He's 37, playing 17 minutes in the playoffs, and shooting 22% from three. Vucevic to the Bucks could really happen. Doesn't provide the paint protection of Lopez, but don't think 37 yr old Lopez is scaring teams as a defender. Vucevic is younger, better scorer, rebounder, and important with a player like Giannis, a solid three point shooter. Kuzma makes 22 mill next year, a PF on a team with Giannis. Thoughts about Kuzma for Vuc swap, given Lopez is probably out? Kuzma's 29, has one extra year on his contract, and could slide in at starter next to Matas and Colins/Smith.

Possible trade of Huerter or Collins to Nets could be interesting. Nets can't hit on what they want this off season, usable players with expiring contract lets them use the money and get the cap space back in the summer. We could easily make a legit offer to Turner or Reid for instance this summer. Compensation might be the determining factor, don't know what we would ask for.

[Chi town]

Thoughts: Naz Reid is great. Most of us I think would like to have him, lot think Minny won't let him go. There are several ways we could clear enough cap to make a legit offer Minny has to think hard to match, but the further they go in the playoffs, the less ikely they let him go.

No way Brook Lopez is the starting center for the Bucks next year. He's 37, playing 17 minutes in the playoffs, and shooting 22% from three. Vucevic to the Bucks could really happen. Doesn't provide the paint protection of Lopez, but don't think 37 yr old Lopez is scaring teams as a defender. Vucevic is younger, better scorer, rebounder, and important with a player like Giannis, a solid three point shooter. Kuzma makes 22 mill next year, a PF on a team with Giannis. Thoughts about Kuzma for Vuc swap, given Lopez is probably out? Kuzma's 29, has one extra year on his contract, and could slide in at starter next to Matas and Colins/Smith.

Possible trade of Huerter or Collins to Nets could be interesting. Nets can't hit on what they want this off season, usable players with expiring contract lets them use the money and get the cap space back in the summer. We could easily make a legit offer to Turner or Reid for instance this summer. Compensation might be the determining factor, don't know what we would ask for.

No to Kuzma. Loser. Plays the wrong way. He can’t even pop on a vet team where he’s set ip to succeed.

I do think Vuc has landing spots if AK will accept expirings and not a 1st

[sco]

Thoughts: Naz Reid is great. Most of us I think would like to have him, lot think Minny won't let him go. There are several ways we could clear enough cap to make a legit offer Minny has to think hard to match, but the further they go in the playoffs, the less ikely they let him go.

No way Brook Lopez is the starting center for the Bucks next year. He's 37, playing 17 minutes in the playoffs, and shooting 22% from three. Vucevic to the Bucks could really happen. Doesn't provide the paint protection of Lopez, but don't think 37 yr old Lopez is scaring teams as a defender. Vucevic is younger, better scorer, rebounder, and important with a player like Giannis, a solid three point shooter. Kuzma makes 22 mill next year, a PF on a team with Giannis. Thoughts about Kuzma for Vuc swap, given Lopez is probably out? Kuzma's 29, has one extra year on his contract, and could slide in at starter next to Matas and Colins/Smith.

Possible trade of Huerter or Collins to Nets could be interesting. Nets can't hit on what they want this off season, usable players with expiring contract lets them use the money and get the cap space back in the summer. We could easily make a legit offer to Turner or Reid for instance this summer. Compensation might be the determining factor, don't know what we would ask for.

No to Kuzma. Loser. Plays the wrong way. He can’t even pop on a vet team where he’s set ip to succeed.

I do think Vuc has landing spots if AK will accept expirings and not a 1st

Agree on Kuzma. I think there will be teams who are able to find the cap space to get Reid for more than Minny will match who will have the edge over us (who can't offer more than the MLE, which won't be enough for Minny not to match...if only to be able to trade him later).

I want you to be right about Vuc (so much!), but I just can't see any team who would both want him and has the cap/contracts to trade for him (even without any picks coming back).

[Infinity2152]

Thoughts: Naz Reid is great. Most of us I think would like to have him, lot think Minny won't let him go. There are several ways we could clear enough cap to make a legit offer Minny has to think hard to match, but the further they go in the playoffs, the less ikely they let him go.

No way Brook Lopez is the starting center for the Bucks next year. He's 37, playing 17 minutes in the playoffs, and shooting 22% from three. Vucevic to the Bucks could really happen. Doesn't provide the paint protection of Lopez, but don't think 37 yr old Lopez is scaring teams as a defender. Vucevic is younger, better scorer, rebounder, and important with a player like Giannis, a solid three point shooter. Kuzma makes 22 mill next year, a PF on a team with Giannis. Thoughts about Kuzma for Vuc swap, given Lopez is probably out? Kuzma's 29, has one extra year on his contract, and could slide in at starter next to Matas and Colins/Smith.

Possible trade of Huerter or Collins to Nets could be interesting. Nets can't hit on what they want this off season, usable players with expiring contract lets them use the money and get the cap space back in the summer. We could easily make a legit offer to Turner or Reid for instance this summer. Compensation might be the determining factor, don't know what we would ask for.

No to Kuzma. Loser. Plays the wrong way. He can’t even pop on a vet team where he’s set ip to succeed.

I do think Vuc has landing spots if AK will accept expirings and not a 1st

Got you. Don't know if he's set up to succeed in Milwaukee, though. He plays the same position as Giannis, meaning one is always playing out of position when they play together. You have Damian Lillard as the POA defender and 37 yr old Lopez as the back wall and having to cover on switches. Kuzma's a horrible fit as a Middleton replacement, and the Wizards team was disjointed all around. Don't think Kuzma's been in a good situation since the Lakers, tbh.

Not the only way Bucks could get Vuc, though it would be the easiest. We have a center surplus, they almost certainly will be looking for a starting center, and don't have many assets to be picky. Maybe they add a first for us taking on the extra year of Kuzma's contract.

The bar is pretty low for a Vucevic trade: better fit than Vucevic for this current roster. Not expecting to get a great player in a Vuc trade, but addition by subtraction is a thing. Just spit balling ideas. So no to Kuzma for Patrick Williams too?

Kuzma's contract is two years shorter than Williams, Williams fits what they lost in Middleton (SF perimeter defender, good 3pt shooter) way more than Kuzma and they don't need the scoring.

[kodo]

Thoughts: Naz Reid is great. Most of us I think would like to have him, lot think Minny won't let him go. There are several ways we could clear enough cap to make a legit offer Minny has to think hard to match, but the further they go in the playoffs, the less ikely they let him go.

No way Brook Lopez is the starting center for the Bucks next year. He's 37, playing 17 minutes in the playoffs, and shooting 22% from three. Vucevic to the Bucks could really happen. Doesn't provide the paint protection of Lopez, but don't think 37 yr old Lopez is scaring teams as a defender. Vucevic is younger, better scorer, rebounder, and important with a player like Giannis, a solid three point shooter. Kuzma makes 22 mill next year, a PF on a team with Giannis. Thoughts about Kuzma for Vuc swap, given Lopez is probably out? Kuzma's 29, has one extra year on his contract, and could slide in at starter next to Matas and Colins/Smith.

Possible trade of Huerter or Collins to Nets could be interesting. Nets can't hit on what they want this off season, usable players with expiring contract lets them use the money and get the cap space back in the summer. We could easily make a legit offer to Turner or Reid for instance this summer. Compensation might be the determining factor, don't know what we would ask for.

I don't see why MIL would have any interest in Vuc, if they were OK with a non-defender at the 5 they would just play Portis. Bobby per 36 has the same stats as Vuc, a good 37% 3P shooter, a better defender, only costs $12M, is younger, and a known quantity and was there to win a championship.

[Infinity2152]

Thoughts: Naz Reid is great. Most of us I think would like to have him, lot think Minny won't let him go. There are several ways we could clear enough cap to make a legit offer Minny has to think hard to match, but the further they go in the playoffs, the less ikely they let him go.

No way Brook Lopez is the starting center for the Bucks next year. He's 37, playing 17 minutes in the playoffs, and shooting 22% from three. Vucevic to the Bucks could really happen. Doesn't provide the paint protection of Lopez, but don't think 37 yr old Lopez is scaring teams as a defender. Vucevic is younger, better scorer, rebounder, and important with a player like Giannis, a solid three point shooter. Kuzma makes 22 mill next year, a PF on a team with Giannis. Thoughts about Kuzma for Vuc swap, given Lopez is probably out? Kuzma's 29, has one extra year on his contract, and could slide in at starter next to Matas and Colins/Smith.

Possible trade of Huerter or Collins to Nets could be interesting. Nets can't hit on what they want this off season, usable players with expiring contract lets them use the money and get the cap space back in the summer. We could easily make a legit offer to Turner or Reid for instance this summer. Compensation might be the determining factor, don't know what we would ask for.

I don't see why MIL would have any interest in Vuc, if they were OK with a non-defender at the 5 they would just play Portis. Bobby per 36 has the same stats as Vuc, a good 37% 3P shooter, a better defender, only costs $12M, is younger, and a known quantity and was there to win a championship.

They already have Portis, have had him for years. He's averaged like 25-27 minutes. If Portis replaces Lopez's minutes at starter (although he's never played 28 minutes in his career) somebody still has to replace Portis's minutes. I'm not saying they will do it, but I can clearly see why they might replace a 37 yr old free agent Lopez with a much younger Vuc on an expiring if it doesn't cost them much. They will have a need and not many resources to fill it. Not like better, easily attainable centers just grow on trees.

Using advanced metrics for the past season:
Portis VORP .7, BPM .2, DBPM -.04, Win Share 2.7, DWS 1.9, TS% 54

Vucevic VORP 2.7, BPM 2.6, DPBM 0.1, Win Share 7.3, DWS 2.6, TS% 61

Far better than Portis in more minutes. Plus Portis only played 49 games.

[Ccwatercraft]

Thoughts: Naz Reid is great. Most of us I think would like to have him, lot think Minny won't let him go. There are several ways we could clear enough cap to make a legit offer Minny has to think hard to match, but the further they go in the playoffs, the less ikely they let him go.

No way Brook Lopez is the starting center for the Bucks next year. He's 37, playing 17 minutes in the playoffs, and shooting 22% from three. Vucevic to the Bucks could really happen. Doesn't provide the paint protection of Lopez, but don't think 37 yr old Lopez is scaring teams as a defender. Vucevic is younger, better scorer, rebounder, and important with a player like Giannis, a solid three point shooter. Kuzma makes 22 mill next year, a PF on a team with Giannis. Thoughts about Kuzma for Vuc swap, given Lopez is probably out? Kuzma's 29, has one extra year on his contract, and could slide in at starter next to Matas and Colins/Smith.

Possible trade of Huerter or Collins to Nets could be interesting. Nets can't hit on what they want this off season, usable players with expiring contract lets them use the money and get the cap space back in the summer. We could easily make a legit offer to Turner or Reid for instance this summer. Compensation might be the determining factor, don't know what we would ask for.

I don't see why MIL would have any interest in Vuc, if they were OK with a non-defender at the 5 they would just play Portis. Bobby per 36 has the same stats as Vuc, a good 37% 3P shooter, a better defender, only costs $12M, is younger, and a known quantity and was there to win a championship.

They already have Portis, have had him for years. He's averaged like 25-27 minutes. If Portis replaces Lopez's minutes at starter (although he's never played 28 minutes in his career) somebody still has to replace Portis's minutes. I'm not saying they will do it, but I can clearly see why they might replace a 37 yr old free agent Lopez with a much younger Vuc on an expiring if it doesn't cost them much. They will have a need and not many resources to fill it. Not like better, easily attainable centers just grow on trees.

Carter on an expiring might interest them, if Lillard is out they need something

[Infinity2152]

I don't see why MIL would have any interest in Vuc, if they were OK with a non-defender at the 5 they would just play Portis. Bobby per 36 has the same stats as Vuc, a good 37% 3P shooter, a better defender, only costs $12M, is younger, and a known quantity and was there to win a championship.

They already have Portis, have had him for years. He's averaged like 25-27 minutes. If Portis replaces Lopez's minutes at starter (although he's never played 28 minutes in his career) somebody still has to replace Portis's minutes. I'm not saying they will do it, but I can clearly see why they might replace a 37 yr old free agent Lopez with a much younger Vuc on an expiring if it doesn't cost them much. They will have a need and not many resources to fill it. Not like better, easily attainable centers just grow on trees.

Carter on an expiring might interest them, if Lillard is out they need something

Don't think they have the contracts or exceptions to do it straight up. Might help with a buyout though, if he knows he has a vet min contract already set up. They have history, he'd be a good deal at vet min at least.

[WesPeace]

Carter still has to pickup his player option.. he might decline that 6M, if someone else offers him 4-5M deal and playing time.

The idea for Vucevic came for that reason yes, they need to replace aging Brook and Portis really never established himself as a starter there.

But for Kuzma, I would say no,even tho he is not on such a horrible contract and shorter than PWill,but my hope for Patrick didnt completely die yet, one more season,last try.. unless he could be packaged for Giannis!

I would rather take Connaughton as expiring at 9M if he picks it up.

Portis 13.4M, Pat 9.4M and Porter 2M all have player options for next season with Bucks.
Gary Trent will for sure get paid, his current contract is only 2.6M, he is UFA, T.Prince is UFA.

With Lillard's injury we might see completely different Bucks team next season, Giannis even could demand a trade.

Would Bucks take Vucevic, Huerter, PWill and 28,29',30' 1st rounders for Giannis?
Why those 1st rounders instead of 25',26',27'? Because Bulls will compete these years..

But very doubtful Bucks dont get much better offers! Unless Giannis demands trade to specific 2-3 teams and we have upper hand on that if we are on that short list!

Giddey, White, Buzelis, Giannis, Collins
Ball, Jones, Ayo, Terry, Phillips, Smith

Young, Liddell, #12 DP plus 1 cheap vet..

[Ccwatercraft]

They already have Portis, have had him for years. He's averaged like 25-27 minutes. If Portis replaces Lopez's minutes at starter (although he's never played 28 minutes in his career) somebody still has to replace Portis's minutes. I'm not saying they will do it, but I can clearly see why they might replace a 37 yr old free agent Lopez with a much younger Vuc on an expiring if it doesn't cost them much. They will have a need and not many resources to fill it. Not like better, easily attainable centers just grow on trees.

Carter on an expiring might interest them, if Lillard is out they need something

Don't think they have the contracts or exceptions to do it straight up. Might help with a buyout though, if he knows he has a vet min contract already set up. They have history, he'd be a good deal at vet min at least.

Jesus, I just looked at their roster, those 60mil contracts really wreck the cap fast