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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#461 » by MrSparkle » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:07 am

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waffle wrote:I don't think that is the case. Democrats now are what Republicans USED to strive for, centrist. Our country is based on 2 basic principles, capitalism and democracy. When both are strong we are strong.

Hillary has ALWAYS championed the little guy (and gal, of course. Regardless of their color). I think she believes that government can make a difference. Looks like we'll find out, he?


This country was built of free market capitalism, not crony capitalism which extracts rents via legislation. Very different. When you have free markets, the wealth spreads around and everybody gets to enjoy it. When you have congress legislating laws that favor a few corporations, you get a handful of people who control 99% of the wealth.

It's kind of sad that there are people who still think Hillary cares about anything other than her power-hungry self. Even sadder that people believe she will do anything to help the "little guy". I can understand (though I don't agree) somebody who says Hillary is the lesser of two evils. That's a legitimate debate. I can't understand anybody who thinks Hillary is "good" or well intentioned in any way, shape or form. I suggest you read some of the tens of thousands of wikileaks emails. It doesn't get more corrupt than the Clintons.


Please show me a few examples of a few emails that incriminate Hillary, and let's talk about how bad they are.

I've read through a lot of them and haven't seen anything criminally damning.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#462 » by TimRobbins » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:26 am

the ultimates wrote:Yeah who cares if they get their hands on top secret documents, defense plans, military strategy or troop placement in case of a conflict who cares about safeguarding that. Crimea is a part of the Ukraine. It matters because Ukraine has seriously considered becoming a NATO member. Although not an official member it has a partnership with NATO. That's why the U.S. is involved. Would you just let them take the rest of Ukraine and them turn its eye towards an actual NATO member in Latvia?


We do the exact same to them. We hack their systems and we get our hands on their secret documents and defense plans. Don't make it as if it's one sided. Nobody does more espionage than us.

As for Crimea - you are dead wrong. It's actually Russian territory. Khrushchev gave it to the Ukraine in 1954 during the days of the Soviet Union, but the Russians only gave it out since they knew they could use the port at will. Crimea has 90% Russian population. The Russians have a legitimate claim to it and we have no business interfering there.

Russia has no expansionist aspirations. They do not have the military or economic power to wage large scale wars. The threat from Russia is vastly overstated.

We also have no business adding former soviet republics to NATO. That's a clear act to aggression. What does NATO mean these days anyway? Nobody in this ridiculous treaty has an army anyway outside the US (and the UK and France a little). NATO should be dismantled. It serves no purpose at this point.

You've been listening to way too much Obama/Hillary propaganda. We're not the "good guys" in this conflict and we should stop this "world cop" mentality.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#463 » by TimRobbins » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:31 am

MrSparkle wrote:Please show me a few examples of a few emails that incriminate Hillary, and let's talk about how bad they are.

I've read through a lot of them and haven't seen anything criminally damning.


http://www.businessinsider.com/hacked-emails-appear-to-show-qatar-pledging-to-donate-1-million-to-the-clinton-foundation-2016-10

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/10/10/wikileaks-bill-and-chelsea-clinton-drove-foundation-coo-suicidal-n2230578

I'm not a lawyer and I don't care about what's legally "criminal" or not. Hillary is corrupt. Probably the most corrupt politician in the history of this country. Seriously. Money form Qatar? Have we come to that? What did she give in return?

There are endless examples. Why did she delete the emails again?
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#464 » by MrSparkle » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:22 am

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MrSparkle wrote:Please show me a few examples of a few emails that incriminate Hillary, and let's talk about how bad they are.[list=][/list]

I've read through a lot of them and haven't seen anything criminally damning.


http://www.businessinsider.com/hacked-emails-appear-to-show-qatar-pledging-to-donate-1-million-to-the-clinton-foundation-2016-10

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/10/10/wikileaks-bill-and-chelsea-clinton-drove-foundation-coo-suicidal-n2230578

I'm not a lawyer and I don't care about what's legally "criminal" or not. Hillary is corrupt. Probably the most corrupt politician in the history of this country. Seriously. Money form Qatar? Have we come to that? What did she give in return?

There are endless examples. Why did she delete the emails again?


You need to raise your standards for journalism. Come on -- honestly? 1 of your 2 links , the Townhall site, is INFERRING that Chelsea caused so much stress to a lady (that neither of us have ever heard of before) that she want to commit suicide. And I quote, here's the direct email quoted from the site:

Late last night, laura graham called me as she couldn't reach my brother >>> or her shrink. She was on staten island in her car parked a few feet from >>> the waters edge with her foot on the gas pedal and the car in park. She >>> called me to tell me the stress of all of this office crap with wjc and cvc >>> as well as that of her family had driven her to the edge and she couldn't >>> take it anymore. I spent a while on the phone with her preventing her from >>> doing that, as I have a few times in the past few months, and was able to >>> reach roger and her shrink

And therefore, we conclude that Hillary is the most corrupt politician in America.

This is what I mean. I've gone through countless amounts of these, and the "corruption" claim is as applicable as it is to anybody in public office. It's as concrete as saying that America's hiding aliens on Mars. The business insider article goes on to say that there's no actual evidence/trail of the money from Qatar, it's simply inferred from the emails. For all we know it's a fund from a company loosely tied with another international company that donates.

Or maybe you're right. Hillary is Bin Ladin 2.0 after all. Because that sounds so plausible. Hillary tries to be nice on the outside, so she must be a reptilian on the inside. Meanwhile, Trump is a **** on the outside, so he must be a good guy on the inside. Even though he's openly ****ed up every business he ever ran and simply made money off crooked side deals and exploitation and his daddy's money that got him started to begin with.

And I quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/politics/wikileaks-bill-clinton-foundation.html?_r=0

In April 2012, representatives from Qatar were apparently hoping to get “five minutes” with former President Bill Clinton while in New York to present him with a $1 million check for his foundation as a birthday gift from the previous year.

While it is unclear whether that meeting ever took place, the offer, mentioned in one of thousands of hacked Clinton campaign emails released by WikiLeaks last week, was an example of the complex ethical issues the Clinton Foundation faced in managing relationships with foreign governments when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. It also raised questions about whether the foundation had fully followed procedures it had voluntarily agreed to in order to avoid those very issues.

The foundation’s ties to foreign governments and financiers have long been fodder for Mrs. Clinton’s critics — chief among them Donald J. Trump — who contend that foreigners used donations to the foundation to curry favor with the Clintons while Mrs. Clinton was the country’s top diplomat.

Emails released this year from Mrs. Clinton’s time at the State Department showed that foundation donors sought and in some cases obtained meetings with department officials. None showed that Mrs. Clinton made decisions based on contributions to the foundation, and the Clinton campaign has said she never did.


Between the amount of crappy blogging online, the senseless paranoia, and the racism -- it's been really hard talking to neocon/libertarians/conservatives the last 25 years of my life. It's madness really. Stop listening to Fox News, stop believing whatever article pops up on Google, and start investigating your sources. I recommend diversifying as much as possible, even other countries (BBC, RT, Al Jazeera). You get everybody's bias and outlook, and can compare what's objective and what's not. The funny thing is the Russian news happens to be more accurate than Fox and all the neo-con think tanks.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#465 » by TimRobbins » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:44 am

MrSparkle wrote:Between the amount of crappy blogging online, the senseless paranoia, and the racism -- it's been really hard talking to neocon/libertarians/conservatives the last 25 years of my life. It's madness really. Stop listening to Fox News, stop believing whatever article pops up on Google, and start investigating your sources. I recommend diversifying as much as possible, even other countries (BBC, RT, Al Jazeera). You get everybody's bias and outlook, and can compare what's objective and what's not. The funny thing is the Russian news happens to be more accurate than Fox and all the neo-con think tanks.


This is kind of a waste of time. If you believe that hundreds of millions of dollar flow into the "Clinton Foundation" from all sort of private, corporate and international sources without them getting any return then more power to you. I guess you also believe that the emails were deleted "by accident" and that Hillary used a private server because she was afraid of "hacking".

I doubt many people would share this kind of denial.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#466 » by MrSparkle » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:00 pm

I'm always skeptical of everybody, and the Clintons obviously have questionable operations, but show me some firm evidence of serious wrong-doing before "throwing her in jail." As I stated, all these articles on the wikileaks seem to draw grander conclusions than the evidence provides, and there is a hell of a lot of evidence.

I'd like to hack and release whatever emails are left of Bush/Cheney and other present GOP candidates. I wonder how clean and sweet those would taste. Let alone Trump's.

If anything i'm completely baffled that Hillary's massive wikiLeak publicization has revealed nothing entirely controversial.

As I stated directly from your articles you linked, drawing conclusions from those is ridiculous. That Clinton's daughter caused a staff-person to stress out and want to jump off a bridge? Come on.

The Clinton Foundation like all other humanitarian corporations exist paradoxically, but they've been a hell of a lot more transparent than Red Cross and the World Bank. As for the conspiracy theory that they're doing way more bad than good by accepting donations from shady sources -- it's just that. A conspiracy theory with no grounding in facts, just speculation and paranoia. Every one's got something to gain by helping somebody. The US military/CIA complex is the shadiest most influential empire in history.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#467 » by I_Never Lied » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:35 pm

MrSparkle wrote:I'm always skeptical of everybody, and the Clintons obviously have questionable operations, but show me some firm evidence of serious wrong-doing before "throwing her in jail." As I stated, all these articles on the wikileaks seem to draw grander conclusions than the evidence provides, and there is a hell of a lot of evidence.

I'd like to hack and release whatever emails are left of Bush/Cheney and other present GOP candidates. I wonder how clean and sweet those would taste. Let alone Trump's.

If anything i'm completely baffled that Hillary's massive wikiLeak publicization has revealed nothing entirely controversial.

As I stated directly from your articles you linked, drawing conclusions from those is ridiculous. That Clinton's daughter caused a staff-person to stress out and want to jump off a bridge? Come on.

The Clinton Foundation like all other humanitarian corporations exist paradoxically, but they've been a hell of a lot more transparent than Red Cross and the World Bank. As for the conspiracy theory that they're doing way more bad than good by accepting donations from shady sources -- it's just that. A conspiracy theory with no grounding in facts, just speculation and paranoia. Every one's got something to gain by helping somebody. The US military/CIA complex is the shadiest most influential empire in history.


Hilary is a known criminal who had to have the laws that she broke with her email's re-written by the FBI so they could make an excuse not to charge her.

any person “entrusted with… information relating to the national defense” to allow that information to be “removed from its proper place of custody” through “gross negligence.”

“through gross negligence permits” information “to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, to be lost, stolen, abstracted or destroyed.”

giving “false statements.”


The FBI said they found no intent even though what she did was stupid. But the law says negligence not intent to do something stupid. Hillary broke so many laws by

-Using a PERSONAL non-government approved server
-Sending CLASSIFIED materials over said personal unclassified server
-Stripping Classification Markings from documents so she could claimed the emails weren’t classified when they were sent
- LYING about it during her disposition with the FBI

What more do you want before you realize?
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#468 » by the ultimates » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:45 pm

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the ultimates wrote:Yeah who cares if they get their hands on top secret documents, defense plans, military strategy or troop placement in case of a conflict who cares about safeguarding that. Crimea is a part of the Ukraine. It matters because Ukraine has seriously considered becoming a NATO member. Although not an official member it has a partnership with NATO. That's why the U.S. is involved. Would you just let them take the rest of Ukraine and them turn its eye towards an actual NATO member in Latvia?


We do the exact same to them. We hack their systems and we get our hands on their secret documents and defense plans. Don't make it as if it's one sided. Nobody does more espionage than us.

As for Crimea - you are dead wrong. It's actually Russian territory. Khrushchev gave it to the Ukraine in 1954 during the days of the Soviet Union, but the Russians only gave it out since they knew they could use the port at will. Crimea has 90% Russian population. The Russians have a legitimate claim to it and we have no business interfering there.

Russia has no expansionist aspirations. They do not have the military or economic power to wage large scale wars. The threat from Russia is vastly overstated.

We also have no business adding former soviet republics to NATO. That's a clear act to aggression. What does NATO mean these days anyway? Nobody in this ridiculous treaty has an army anyway outside the US (and the UK and France a little). NATO should be dismantled. It serves no purpose at this point.

You've been listening to way too much Obama/Hillary propaganda. We're not the "good guys" in this conflict and we should stop this "world cop" mentality.


The fact that many people are of Russian descent means nothing. In the coming years California will have a Hispanic majority does that give Mexico the right to annex San Diego? Like you said it was given to the Ukraine, Russia uses the port why take over the city if not for expansion purposes. Yes we hack them and they hack us. They make a big deal about it as well they should but apparently we can't in your mind because that increases tension. Its not an act of aggression for an independent country in the Ukraine to make deals or become a NATO member.

I agree we should stop the world police mentality. The problem is when the country doesn't act internationally we get blamed. Boko Haram slaughtering villages in Nigeria, Rwanda, Darfur, the ethic cleansing by Slobodan Milosevic in the Balkans. The U.S. was either late to react or had to be practically begged to intervene in those atrocities. I've never heard of countries asking Russia or China for that kind of help or those countries willingly offering it.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#469 » by I_Never Lied » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:49 pm

League Circles wrote:When people claim things like Obama is a closet muslim, the funniest part about it is not even that they believe it honestly without evidence, but that they believe that if others knew that alleged truth also, that those others would and or should be outraged at it. SMH



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Post#470 » by AKfanatic » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:01 pm

I_Never Lied wrote:
League Circles wrote:When people claim things like Obama is a closet muslim, the funniest part about it is not even that they believe it honestly without evidence, but that they believe that if others knew that alleged truth also, that those others would and or should be outraged at it. SMH





I once saw George W. Bush bow to Japanese leaders...

George W. Bush is closet Japanese..



Even if Obama practiced the Muslim faith, who gives an ish....other than the racist xenophopes that believe being Muslim makes one a terrorist of course
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#471 » by I_Never Lied » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:17 pm

AKfanatic wrote:
I_Never Lied wrote:
League Circles wrote:When people claim things like Obama is a closet muslim, the funniest part about it is not even that they believe it honestly without evidence, but that they believe that if others knew that alleged truth also, that those others would and or should be outraged at it. SMH





I once saw George W. Bush bow to Japanese leaders...

George W. Bush is closet Japanese..



Even if Obama practiced the Muslim faith, who gives an ish....other than the racist xenophopes that believe being Muslim makes one a terrorist of course


The Japanese bow. Its a known part of their culture. Obama and the Saudi King is not the same and you know it.

Obama would never been elected President if he was an out an open Muslim.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#472 » by AKfanatic » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:30 pm

I_Never Lied wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
I_Never Lied wrote:



I once saw George W. Bush bow to Japanese leaders...

George W. Bush is closet Japanese..



Even if Obama practiced the Muslim faith, who gives an ish....other than the racist xenophopes that believe being Muslim makes one a terrorist of course


The Japanese bow. Its a known part of their culture. Obama and the Saudi King is not the same and you know it.

Obama would never been elected President if he was an out an open Muslim.


I think your tin foil is too tight. You should loosen that thing and let some oxygen in.

Any answers to my questions earlier for you about "plundering the oil"? Or is it just a "hey trump said it would be easy" sorta thing.

I suppose we shouldn't be concerned about the election, we'll be taken out by planet nibiru before then anyways....right?
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#473 » by I_Never Lied » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:20 pm

AKfanatic wrote:
I_Never Lied wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
I once saw George W. Bush bow to Japanese leaders...

George W. Bush is closet Japanese..



Even if Obama practiced the Muslim faith, who gives an ish....other than the racist xenophopes that believe being Muslim makes one a terrorist of course


The Japanese bow. Its a known part of their culture. Obama and the Saudi King is not the same and you know it.

Obama would never been elected President if he was an out an open Muslim.


I think your tin foil is too tight. You should loosen that thing and let some oxygen in.

Any answers to my questions earlier for you about "plundering the oil"? Or is it just a "hey trump said it would be easy" sorta thing.

I suppose we shouldn't be concerned about the election, we'll be taken out by planet nibiru before then anyways....right?


LOL. The invasion itself was illegal! There were also many MANY war crimes committed while the U.S. was there. Plundering the oil while there so that we didn't have to spend 1 TRILLION DOLLARS on this stupid illegal war is not some radical position.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#474 » by AKfanatic » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:24 pm

I_Never Lied wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
I_Never Lied wrote:
The Japanese bow. Its a known part of their culture. Obama and the Saudi King is not the same and you know it.

Obama would never been elected President if he was an out an open Muslim.


I think your tin foil is too tight. You should loosen that thing and let some oxygen in.

Any answers to my questions earlier for you about "plundering the oil"? Or is it just a "hey trump said it would be easy" sorta thing.

I suppose we shouldn't be concerned about the election, we'll be taken out by planet nibiru before then anyways....right?


LOL. The invasion itself was illegal! There were also many MANY war crimes committed while the U.S. was there. Plundering the oil while there so that we didn't have to spend 1 TRILLION DOLLARS on this stupid illegal war is not some radical position.


I was already breaking into their home, what's it matter if I defile their daughter?

Ah, okay...so the answer is as uninformed as the original statement. Carry on.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#475 » by I_Never Lied » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:53 pm

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I_Never Lied wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
I think your tin foil is too tight. You should loosen that thing and let some oxygen in.

Any answers to my questions earlier for you about "plundering the oil"? Or is it just a "hey trump said it would be easy" sorta thing.

I suppose we shouldn't be concerned about the election, we'll be taken out by planet nibiru before then anyways....right?


LOL. The invasion itself was illegal! There were also many MANY war crimes committed while the U.S. was there. Plundering the oil while there so that we didn't have to spend 1 TRILLION DOLLARS on this stupid illegal war is not some radical position.


I was already breaking into their home, what's it matter if I defile their daughter?

Ah, okay...so the answer is as uninformed as the original statement. Carry on.


Oh, so let me leave the oil behind so some make-shift phony democratic government can "control" it and let it fall into the hands of various militias/ISIS.

Sometimes the morally "right" thing to do is also the most stupid thing to do.
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Post#476 » by AKfanatic » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:06 pm

I_Never Lied wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
I_Never Lied wrote:
LOL. The invasion itself was illegal! There were also many MANY war crimes committed while the U.S. was there. Plundering the oil while there so that we didn't have to spend 1 TRILLION DOLLARS on this stupid illegal war is not some radical position.


I was already breaking into their home, what's it matter if I defile their daughter?

Ah, okay...so the answer is as uninformed as the original statement. Carry on.


Oh, so let me leave the oil behind so some make-shift phony democratic government can "control" it and let it fall into the hands of various militias/ISIS.

Sometimes the morally "right" thing to do is also the most stupid thing to do.


Last reply...you believe what you want, I'm not trying to change your mind.....

Again though, how do you think the international community would respond to us "plundering the oil"?

Do you not think rivals such as Russia would use (rightly so) our "plundering of oil" to push the UN for sanctions against the US?

Let's pretend Obama had the lack of brain cells to come to the decision to "plunder the oil"...do you honestly believe his political rivals, as well as citizens, would have signed off on using our military as thiefs? Do you believe our military, which follows the articles of war, would follow such orders from an "undercover Muslim"?

It's easy for a blowhard like Trump to push such moronic ideas to his screaming masses of uninformed fans, but the fact is doing such a thing would lead to an even more dangerous position for the US within the world community, politically, economically, as well as destroy any good will we may have had amoungst long time allies.

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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#477 » by TimRobbins » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:31 pm

the ultimates wrote:The fact that many people are of Russian descent means nothing. In the coming years California will have a Hispanic majority does that give Mexico the right to annex San Diego? Like you said it was given to the Ukraine, Russia uses the port why take over the city if not for expansion purposes. Yes we hack them and they hack us. They make a big deal about it as well they should but apparently we can't in your mind because that increases tension. Its not an act of aggression for an independent country in the Ukraine to make deals or become a NATO member.

I agree we should stop the world police mentality. The problem is when the country doesn't act internationally we get blamed. Boko Haram slaughtering villages in Nigeria, Rwanda, Darfur, the ethic cleansing by Slobodan Milosevic in the Balkans. The U.S. was either late to react or had to be practically begged to intervene in those atrocities. I've never heard of countries asking Russia or China for that kind of help or those countries willingly offering it.


The first sentence is false. It means a lot. Russia didn't just Annex Crimea against the people's will. The people of Crimea fully support it and this fact cannot be ignored. As for the California example - if the majority of people living in California want to be annexed to Mexico and if Mexico wants them, then yes, Mexico would have a claim to California.

Having a country bordering with Russia join NATO (which is basically and anti-Russian alliance) is an act of aggression which ever way you look at it. NATO should not be expanding there.

As for the world police - nobody can blame the US for not intervening. We control our own destiny and it's time for us to say "this is a local conflict which is none of our business". This world cop role is both idiotic and bound for failure. We do not have the solution for every conflict in the world. If one tribe is killing another in Africa, it's not our problem to solve. If the Serbs and the Bosnians are at war, it's not our problem to solve. If the Shias and Sunnis are fighting a sectarian war, it's not our problem to solve. If the Israelis and the Palestinians don't want to split the country, its not our problem to solve. We force unsustainable solutions on unwilling parties and then get blamed when these "solutions" break down. This needs to stop. Local conflicts need to be resolved locally. The US should stop intervening unless there is a clear and imminent threat to us, such as the nuke situation in Iran.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#478 » by TimRobbins » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:37 pm

MrSparkle wrote:I'm always skeptical of everybody, and the Clintons obviously have questionable operations, but show me some firm evidence of serious wrong-doing before "throwing her in jail." As I stated, all these articles on the wikileaks seem to draw grander conclusions than the evidence provides, and there is a hell of a lot of evidence.

I'd like to hack and release whatever emails are left of Bush/Cheney and other present GOP candidates. I wonder how clean and sweet those would taste. Let alone Trump's.

If anything i'm completely baffled that Hillary's massive wikiLeak publicization has revealed nothing entirely controversial.

As I stated directly from your articles you linked, drawing conclusions from those is ridiculous. That Clinton's daughter caused a staff-person to stress out and want to jump off a bridge? Come on.

The Clinton Foundation like all other humanitarian corporations exist paradoxically, but they've been a hell of a lot more transparent than Red Cross and the World Bank. As for the conspiracy theory that they're doing way more bad than good by accepting donations from shady sources -- it's just that. A conspiracy theory with no grounding in facts, just speculation and paranoia. Every one's got something to gain by helping somebody. The US military/CIA complex is the shadiest most influential empire in history.


Come on. You're not seriously comparing an established NGO like the red cross to a sham like the Clinton Foundation. Just look at the list of donors to the Clinton Foundation. It's not your average Joe who gives $1K to the red cross. These are groups of interests and you have to be willingly blind to believe these transactions are about philanthropy. "Conspiracy Theory"? Paranoia? come on. Do you seriously believe Hillary Clinton cares about "humanitarian causes"? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.

I have no doubt the ex-presidents were also corrupt (though nobody reaches the Clintons' current level). This is exactly why we need a change.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#479 » by League Circles » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:44 pm

I_Never Lied wrote:
League Circles wrote:When people claim things like Obama is a closet muslim, the funniest part about it is not even that they believe it honestly without evidence, but that they believe that if others knew that alleged truth also, that those others would and or should be outraged at it. SMH




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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#480 » by I_Never Lied » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:48 pm

AKfanatic wrote:
I_Never Lied wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
I was already breaking into their home, what's it matter if I defile their daughter?

Ah, okay...so the answer is as uninformed as the original statement. Carry on.


Oh, so let me leave the oil behind so some make-shift phony democratic government can "control" it and let it fall into the hands of various militias/ISIS.

Sometimes the morally "right" thing to do is also the most stupid thing to do.


Last reply...you believe what you want, I'm not trying to change your mind.....

Again though, how do you think the international community would respond to us "plundering the oil"?

Do you not think rivals such as Russia would use (rightly so) our "plundering of oil" to push the UN for sanctions against the US?

Let's pretend Obama had the lack of brain cells to come to the decision to "plunder the oil"...do you honestly believe his political rivals, as well as citizens, would have signed off on using our military as thiefs? Do you believe our military, which follows the articles of war, would follow such orders from an "undercover Muslim"?

It's easy for a blowhard like Trump to push such moronic ideas to his screaming masses of uninformed fans, but the fact is doing such a thing would lead to an even more dangerous position for the US within the world community, politically, economically, as well as destroy any good will we may have had amoungst long time allies.

enjoy your bubble...you should avoid sharp objects.


You are trying to frame your argument under the pretense that America has NEVER broken any international law or has EVER committed a war crime; therefore plundering Iraq's oil would make Russia see America in a different light and garner support from the international community for sanctions against the U.S.

The REALITY is that when America invaded Iraq (illegally BTW) Russia and dozens of other countries frowned upon it. America has violated international laws DOZENS of times and committed War Crimes on numerous occasions. You'll never hear about them because you watch CNN. Do you know how many innocent civilians our drones KILL every month?

So please stop pretending like taking the oil would be some big deal that would turn the whole world against America, when we already do way worse things.

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