NBA Trade Thread # 3

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Yeah - pass on a guy who hasn't suffered a chronic injury but is only available to play in 72% of his games during the first 3.3 years in the NBA. That stat won't get better with age.

Centers round up their bodies later than guards. Opposite to guards centers plays longer. Lot of examples of centers who got more durable and stronger when they hit their physicall prime. If Lauri went all 4 years to college this would be his rookie season.

So, count me out on wanting "Lauri the center" on the Bulls...him banging down low is a recipe for DNP's and losses. As for "if Lauri were a rookie", I'd be fine because he'd be worth the risk on a rookie pay scale, but resigning him just seems like a losing proposition vs. alternatives.

Well i am sticking with Lauri despite all flaws because alternatives are not good enough both short or long term.

[sco]

Centers round up their bodies later than guards. Opposite to guards centers plays longer. Lot of examples of centers who got more durable and stronger when they hit their physicall prime. If Lauri went all 4 years to college this would be his rookie season.

So, count me out on wanting "Lauri the center" on the Bulls...him banging down low is a recipe for DNP's and losses. As for "if Lauri were a rookie", I'd be fine because he'd be worth the risk on a rookie pay scale, but resigning him just seems like a losing proposition vs. alternatives.

Well i am sticking with Lauri despite all flaws because alternatives are not good enough both short or long term.

Respect

[Dez]

Blockbuster Zach Lavine, Thaddeus Young and Daniel Gafford for M.Porter Jr., Garry Harris, Rj Hampton, Zeke Naji, Bol Bol and future first round pick from Denver. Denver goes all in for win now with Murray,Lavine,Barton,Young,Jokic. Campazzo,Morris,Ja. Green,Milsap,Gafford/Hartenstain. Bulls look more for better draft position this year and get loaded with talent and upside. White,Harris,Porter,Markkanen,Carter. Satoransky,Hampton,Williams,Bol,Nnaji. Bulls with two max slots in free agency, all future firsts and one extra first from Nuggets.

That is god-awful for Chicago.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Just have to note that if the Bulls keep Thad and Sato, keep their pick and sign Lauri to his $20m deal, they will have like $8m in capspace.

That’s not getting better - that’s staying the same. IMO, that would be a complete FLOP of an offseason.

Obviously I want to see the team get better but the free agent situation this summer is going to be terrible. Teams are going to be paying big bucks for scrubs and immediately regretting it.

I hope people weren't planning on remaking the team with free agency.

Aren't you pretty anti tank?

So you think the front office is going to run it back for 2 straight years with the same group? A group they had very little input on creating?

I mean, let's not pretend this team is good. For all it's 'improvement', it's a mediocre to bad team. Not making improvements next offseason in free agency or banking on a high draft pick and keeping this core seems like the worst possible path.

I guess there are trades, but the NBA isn't exactly a league that is trade heavy. And you're hoping a high end player is available in a short window, AND that player is interested in the Bulls, AND the Bulls have the asset to get that player. That's a less likely outcome than lottery odds.

[coldfish]

That’s not getting better - that’s staying the same. IMO, that would be a complete FLOP of an offseason.

Obviously I want to see the team get better but the free agent situation this summer is going to be terrible. Teams are going to be paying big bucks for scrubs and immediately regretting it.

I hope people weren't planning on remaking the team with free agency.

The free agent situation is what it is. You either add talent or don’t.

What are you suggesting they do with that cap space?

1. Use existing assets plus capspace to trade for a star
2. Trade for a guy where a team is having financial trouble or needs capspace
3. Just give it to vet fillers in short term deals to have space again the following season

Signing crappy players to huge contracts ends up hurting the team in the long term. If this team is going to improve, its going to be via trade.

[coldfish]

That’s not getting better - that’s staying the same. IMO, that would be a complete FLOP of an offseason.

Obviously I want to see the team get better but the free agent situation this summer is going to be terrible. Teams are going to be paying big bucks for scrubs and immediately regretting it.

I hope people weren't planning on remaking the team with free agency.

Aren't you pretty anti tank?

So you think the front office is going to run it back for 2 straight years with the same group? A group they had very little input on creating?

I mean, let's not pretend this team is good. For all it's 'improvement', it's a mediocre to bad team. Not making improvements next offseason in free agency or banking on a high draft pick and keeping this core seems like the worst possible path.

I guess there are trades, but the NBA isn't exactly a league that is trade heavy. And you're hoping a high end player is available in a short window, AND that player is interested in the Bulls, AND the Bulls have the asset to get that player. That's a less likely outcome than lottery odds.

As I said above, I'm strongly pro-trade. If you look at how most top teams are built, its using trade or capspace to acquire elite players. Unless Kawhi is coming, I'm not going to advocate paying massive money to a guy who will immediately be a bad contract and prevent future trades.

If the Bulls have to be patient, then so be it. In the mean time I would just make small deals to try to acquire more assets.

In general, the odds of a team winning built around a top 3 pick of their own are significantly less than winning by acquiring a player someone else drafted and developed.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Obviously I want to see the team get better but the free agent situation this summer is going to be terrible. Teams are going to be paying big bucks for scrubs and immediately regretting it.

I hope people weren't planning on remaking the team with free agency.

Aren't you pretty anti tank?

So you think the front office is going to run it back for 2 straight years with the same group? A group they had very little input on creating?

I mean, let's not pretend this team is good. For all it's 'improvement', it's a mediocre to bad team. Not making improvements next offseason in free agency or banking on a high draft pick and keeping this core seems like the worst possible path.

I guess there are trades, but the NBA isn't exactly a league that is trade heavy. And you're hoping a high end player is available in a short window, AND that player is interested in the Bulls, AND the Bulls have the asset to get that player. That's a less likely outcome than lottery odds.

As I said above, I'm strongly pro-trade. If you look at how most top teams are built, its using trade or capspace to acquire elite players. Unless Kawhi is coming, I'm not going to advocate paying massive money to a guy who will immediately be a bad contract and prevent future trades.

If the Bulls have to be patient, then so be it. In the mean time I would just make small deals to try to acquire more assets.

In general, the odds of a team winning built around a top 3 pick of their own are significantly less than winning by acquiring a player someone else drafted and developed.

I guess I fail to see why a top player is coming to Chicago in a trade. At this point, when guys want to get dealt, they give their current teams preferred destinations, like Harden did.

I think you need to pick up a guy like Collins in free agency, get to a 4-6 seed, and then trade for a star. No one is coming here when the winning percentage is .400 and there are no allstars on the roster.

I guess Phx got Paul, but I'd argue the foundation was much stronger there. They had the top pick in the draft AND a player better than Lavine was.

I don't agree with the sequence of events you're suggesting.

[coldfish]

Aren't you pretty anti tank?

So you think the front office is going to run it back for 2 straight years with the same group? A group they had very little input on creating?

I mean, let's not pretend this team is good. For all it's 'improvement', it's a mediocre to bad team. Not making improvements next offseason in free agency or banking on a high draft pick and keeping this core seems like the worst possible path.

I guess there are trades, but the NBA isn't exactly a league that is trade heavy. And you're hoping a high end player is available in a short window, AND that player is interested in the Bulls, AND the Bulls have the asset to get that player. That's a less likely outcome than lottery odds.

As I said above, I'm strongly pro-trade. If you look at how most top teams are built, its using trade or capspace to acquire elite players. Unless Kawhi is coming, I'm not going to advocate paying massive money to a guy who will immediately be a bad contract and prevent future trades.

If the Bulls have to be patient, then so be it. In the mean time I would just make small deals to try to acquire more assets.

In general, the odds of a team winning built around a top 3 pick of their own are significantly less than winning by acquiring a player someone else drafted and developed.

I guess I fail to see why a top player is coming to Chicago in a trade. At this point, when guys want to get dealt, they give their current teams preferred destinations, like Harden did.

I think you need to pick up a guy like Collins in free agency, get to a 4-6 seed, and then trade for a star. No one is coming here when the winning percentage is .400 and there are no allstars on the roster.

I guess Phx got Paul, but I'd argue the foundation was much stronger there. They had the top pick in the draft AND a player better than Lavine was.

I don't agree with the sequence of events you're suggesting.

IMO the Bulls could get to a 4-6 seed with some small moves and just trying to win. Start Sato and Young and you are a clear playoff team. You are likely right that the Bulls are at least a year or two away from being a trade destination.

To some degree, I'm not really sure what the Bulls are doing. They just seem to be all in on player development. We shall see how far that gets them.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Blockbuster Zach Lavine, Thaddeus Young and Daniel Gafford for M.Porter Jr., Garry Harris, Rj Hampton, Zeke Naji, Bol Bol and future first round pick from Denver. Denver goes all in for win now with Murray,Lavine,Barton,Young,Jokic. Campazzo,Morris,Ja. Green,Milsap,Gafford/Hartenstain. Bulls look more for better draft position this year and get loaded with talent and upside. White,Harris,Porter,Markkanen,Carter. Satoransky,Hampton,Williams,Bol,Nnaji. Bulls with two max slots in free agency, all future firsts and one extra first from Nuggets.

That is god-awful for Chicago.

Highly doubt so. Porter alone is more valuable asset then Lavine probably even now, not to talk about in the future.

[StunnerKO]

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[skywalker33]

Blockbuster Zach Lavine, Thaddeus Young and Daniel Gafford for M.Porter Jr., Garry Harris, Rj Hampton, Zeke Naji, Bol Bol and future first round pick from Denver. Denver goes all in for win now with Murray,Lavine,Barton,Young,Jokic. Campazzo,Morris,Ja. Green,Milsap,Gafford/Hartenstain. Bulls look more for better draft position this year and get loaded with talent and upside. White,Harris,Porter,Markkanen,Carter. Satoransky,Hampton,Williams,Bol,Nnaji. Bulls with two max slots in free agency, all future firsts and one extra first from Nuggets.

That is god-awful for Chicago.

Highly doubt so. Porter alone is more valuable asset then Lavine probably even now, not to talk about in the future.

Which is why Denver laughs and hangs up on that proposal

[gobullschi]

That is god-awful for Chicago.

Highly doubt so. Porter alone is more valuable asset then Lavine probably even now, not to talk about in the future.

Which is why Denver laughs and hangs up on that proposal

LOL. MPJ is not more valuable than LaVine. Just stop.

[sco]

I am even more crazed to try to nab Grant. I'll take Griffin's contract and give anyone not named Zach or Pat plus our 2021 unprotected 1st.

[WindyCityBorn]

Highly doubt so. Porter alone is more valuable asset then Lavine probably even now, not to talk about in the future.

Which is why Denver laughs and hangs up on that proposal

LOL. MPJ is not more valuable than LaVine. Just stop.

Porter’s absolute best case scenario is to have a trajectory like Zach’s.

[Dez]

Blockbuster Zach Lavine, Thaddeus Young and Daniel Gafford for M.Porter Jr., Garry Harris, Rj Hampton, Zeke Naji, Bol Bol and future first round pick from Denver. Denver goes all in for win now with Murray,Lavine,Barton,Young,Jokic. Campazzo,Morris,Ja. Green,Milsap,Gafford/Hartenstain. Bulls look more for better draft position this year and get loaded with talent and upside. White,Harris,Porter,Markkanen,Carter. Satoransky,Hampton,Williams,Bol,Nnaji. Bulls with two max slots in free agency, all future firsts and one extra first from Nuggets.

That is god-awful for Chicago.

Highly doubt so. Porter alone is more valuable asset then Lavine probably even now, not to talk about in the future.

Please stop with this nonsense, the proven and still improving commodity in LaVine over the unproven kid who already called out his superior teammates for not giving him more shots in his first playoff series despite being a no defense playing blackhole.

Just stop.

[gobullschi]

Obviously I want to see the team get better but the free agent situation this summer is going to be terrible. Teams are going to be paying big bucks for scrubs and immediately regretting it.

I hope people weren't planning on remaking the team with free agency.

The free agent situation is what it is. You either add talent or don’t.

What are you suggesting they do with that cap space?

1. Use existing assets plus capspace to trade for a star
2. Trade for a guy where a team is having financial trouble or needs capspace
3. Just give it to vet fillers in short term deals to have space again the following season

Signing crappy players to huge contracts ends up hurting the team in the long term. If this team is going to improve, its going to be via trade.

1. Who?
2. Who?
3. The following season for who?

[Kukoc-Lauri]

That is god-awful for Chicago.

Highly doubt so. Porter alone is more valuable asset then Lavine probably even now, not to talk about in the future.

Please stop with this nonsense, the proven and still improving commodity in LaVine over the unproven kid who already called out his superior teammates for not giving him more shots in his first playoff series despite being a no defense playing blackhole.

Just stop.

all true, but half of the Nba world have Porter as new Kd and future best scorer in the league, while they see Zach as third option on contender. From my knowledge that is how they are percieved around Nba.

[MalagaBulls]

I'd try like hell to include Lauri ++ for John Collins. ++ could mean our 2022 FRP and another player like Denzel. Or add a 2023 FRP top 10 protected. A core of Zach, Collins, PWill, WCJ, & our 2021 FRP is pretty tantalizing

[Dez]

Highly doubt so. Porter alone is more valuable asset then Lavine probably even now, not to talk about in the future.

Please stop with this nonsense, the proven and still improving commodity in LaVine over the unproven kid who already called out his superior teammates for not giving him more shots in his first playoff series despite being a no defense playing blackhole.

Just stop.

all true, but half of the Nba world have Porter as new Kd and future best scorer in the league, while they see Zach as third option on contender. From my knowledge that is how they are percieved around Nba.

You don't have knowledge of how they are perceived, you're literally pulling things out of thin air.

[coldfish]

The free agent situation is what it is. You either add talent or don’t.

What are you suggesting they do with that cap space?

1. Use existing assets plus capspace to trade for a star
2. Trade for a guy where a team is having financial trouble or needs capspace
3. Just give it to vet fillers in short term deals to have space again the following season

Signing crappy players to huge contracts ends up hurting the team in the long term. If this team is going to improve, its going to be via trade.

1. Who?
2. Who?
3. The following season for who?

In the past three years, the following stars have changed teams: Kawhi x2, Lebron, AD, Butler x2, Durant, Kyrie, Harden

Top level players changing teams is so common now you can basically expect it. Who is next, I don't know but the fact that several will is almost undeniable. IMO, the Bulls need to put themselves in a position to be on the receiving end of one of those transactions. You do that by:
- Being competitive enough to be attractive to the player
- Not giving away picks cheaply and drafting well
- Not having long term badly overpaid people on the roster that act like salary roadblocks