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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#461 » by Jcool0 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:57 pm

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I guess that depends on how high the number for Monk will actually be (for, say, 20 mil AAV I'd rather have Monk, for example). In general, though, I think that where Monk ends up could really impact Zach's future. If the Kings can't keep Monk, they might be more willing to go after Zach because Monk was really important for that team. And if the Magic try to go after Monk (who should be their #1 FA priority IMO) and can't get him, that might make the Magic more willing to talk about Zach.


If you are trying to compete for a title signing Monk to be the 3rd guy isn't going to work out very well no matter how good the contract looks.


Okay?

Where did I say that anybody should sign Monk as "the 3rd guy"?


You are the one who highlighted that portion of what i said.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#462 » by Andi Obst » Tue Jun 4, 2024 2:03 pm

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If you are trying to compete for a title signing Monk to be the 3rd guy isn't going to work out very well no matter how good the contract looks.


Okay?

Where did I say that anybody should sign Monk as "the 3rd guy"?


You are the one who highlighted that portion of what i said.


It doesn't say anything about signing Monk as your 3rd guy in the highlighted portion???

It's about signing Monk. That's all I'm talking about.
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Post#463 » by jnrjr79 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 2:03 pm

Jcool0 wrote:Zach's market will pick up when LeBron resigns with the Lakers and George resigns with the Clippers. Then all theses teams that think they are getting a top 5 player will reevaluated what they can realistically get and you will probably get a small bidding war for his services because its 100x better to trade for LaVine then signing Malik Monk to a big contract. Once LeBron resigns and Atlanta wont trade Trae Young for Austin Reaves and 3 1sts makes sense to make a similar offer to the Bulls.


Yeah, this is what I suspect. At least for the good teams, the market for the top dogs needs to get settled before someone strikes on Zach. I think the only way it doesn't go that way is if some non-competitive team tries to make a splash and trade for him.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#464 » by Jcool0 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 2:23 pm

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Okay?

Where did I say that anybody should sign Monk as "the 3rd guy"?


You are the one who highlighted that portion of what i said.


It doesn't say anything about signing Monk as your 3rd guy in the highlighted portion???

It's about signing Monk. That's all I'm talking about.


This is the Zach trade thread not the NBA FA thread. Everything is about LaVine, so when Monk is brought up its not a one off about his value its about comparing him to LaVine. Teams wanting LaVine are looking for a #2 or #3 player which there aren't that many. A healthy Zach fits that. Monk is never going to be that. Which was the point i was making.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#465 » by Muzbar » Thu Jun 6, 2024 4:03 am

As far as the Bulls trading Zach into space, these are a few trades I came up with:

Magic: Isaac, Ingles, #18, Den '25 FRP

76ers: #16, '26 FRP, LAC '28 FRP (unlikely as they want to test free agency, maybe after they strike out)

Pistons: Fournier, Ivey or #5

Spurs: Johnson, Graham, Chi '25 FRP, Atl '25 FRP

Most of these preserves some capspace for the team taking Zach into their capspace, allowing them to make other signings to fill out their roster.

I'm being very optimistic, I know.
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Post#467 » by drosestruts » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:06 pm

Zach's been posting some workout clips on his Instagram lately. Looks like his usual spry, agile, athletic self which is nice to see.

One of the clips include him boxing on a heavy bag and let's just say it's good he's a basketball player and not a boxer.

Obviously workout out clips whether Zach or Lonzo are all going to look good, we know Zach has worked very hard in past offseasons so it's good to see him seemingly back at it again this offseason post-surgery.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#468 » by MalagaBulls » Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:13 pm

drosestruts wrote:Zach's been posting some workout clips on his Instagram lately. Looks like his usual spry, agile, athletic self which is nice to see.

One of the clips include him boxing on a heavy bag and let's just say it's good he's a basketball player and not a boxer.

Obviously workout out clips whether Zach or Lonzo are all going to look good, we know Zach has worked very hard in past offseasons so it's good to see him seemingly back at it again this offseason post-surgery.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#469 » by PaKii94 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:42 pm

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drosestruts wrote:Zach's been posting some workout clips on his Instagram lately. Looks like his usual spry, agile, athletic self which is nice to see.

One of the clips include him boxing on a heavy bag and let's just say it's good he's a basketball player and not a boxer.

Obviously workout out clips whether Zach or Lonzo are all going to look good, we know Zach has worked very hard in past offseasons so it's good to see him seemingly back at it again this offseason post-surgery.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#470 » by drosestruts » Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:43 pm

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drosestruts wrote:Zach's been posting some workout clips on his Instagram lately. Looks like his usual spry, agile, athletic self which is nice to see.

One of the clips include him boxing on a heavy bag and let's just say it's good he's a basketball player and not a boxer.

Obviously workout out clips whether Zach or Lonzo are all going to look good, we know Zach has worked very hard in past offseasons so it's good to see him seemingly back at it again this offseason post-surgery.
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Thanks for finding and posting. I saw another one that was all about him working on "escape dribbles" which I liked seeing him work on. Zach being able to tigthen up those handles would be great, and if he can better read when he is in trouble and have some go-to move for getting out of trouble, while maintaining possession it would be a big boost for him as an already very good player.
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Post#471 » by Chi town » Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:28 pm

Muzbar wrote:As far as the Bulls trading Zach into space, these are a few trades I came up with:

Magic: Isaac, Ingles, #18, Den '25 FRP

76ers: #16, '26 FRP, LAC '28 FRP (unlikely as they want to test free agency, maybe after they strike out)

Pistons: Fournier, Ivey or #5

Spurs: Johnson, Graham, Chi '25 FRP, Atl '25 FRP

Most of these preserves some capspace for the team taking Zach into their capspace, allowing them to make other signings to fill out their roster.

I'm being very optimistic, I know.


I’d take all of the above trades for Zach but I don’t anticipate them coming. No to Ivey though.
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Post#472 » by jnrjr79 » Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:10 pm

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The article notes Sacramento has interest in both LaVine and Caruso.
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Post#473 » by Red8911 » Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:17 am

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The article notes Sacramento has interest in both LaVine and Caruso.

Huerter, Vezenkov, and #13 pick for Zach.
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Post#474 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:21 am

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drosestruts wrote:Zach's been posting some workout clips on his Instagram lately. Looks like his usual spry, agile, athletic self which is nice to see.

One of the clips include him boxing on a heavy bag and let's just say it's good he's a basketball player and not a boxer.

Obviously workout out clips whether Zach or Lonzo are all going to look good, we know Zach has worked very hard in past offseasons so it's good to see him seemingly back at it again this offseason post-surgery.
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I have no doubt he will have great season if he can stay healthy. That’s been the problem the last two seasons. And I think trading him for whatever we can get if it ends up being basically both will up be looked back on as peak stupidity. How else could it play out for Chicago?

Also nice to see he still has that hunger through all the adversity even though he got his payday.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#475 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:25 am

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The article notes Sacramento has interest in both LaVine and Caruso.


All these trade proposals are awful and we will regret it.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#476 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:25 am

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The article notes Sacramento has interest in both LaVine and Caruso.

Huerter, Vezenkov, and #13 pick for Zach.


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Post#477 » by kodo » Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:26 pm

Lavine's long term contract may actually be a benefit to his trade value due to the new TV deal which dramatically increases the cap, making all current long contracts a bargain. Siakam's new deal pays him almost $50M a year, but by 2028 he will be actually making less % of the cap than he is now at $37M. It's considered a great deal from a team perspective. Lavine doesn't make anything close to that and goes to 2027.

In 2028 the cap is expected to be $206M, Lavine ~$44M next 4 years, or 21% of a $206M cap. 21% of the current cap would be $30M, which is what Jordan Poole makes ($27M-$34M) as a starting SG. If he stays healthy his contract is going to look more normal year after year...although that's a big "if."

TBH, it's a bad time to trade him. Not only is his on-court value at his lowest, but in a year or two his contract has both less money owed and the amount will look smaller & smaller as we approach the $206M cap. But when have we ever traded players at the right time.
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Post#478 » by MrSparkle » Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:32 pm

Capela? I would hope that would be a straight Vuc swap, at worst.

I don’t know why the pendulum swings so comically with certain players. Arturas should resign if his Zach haul is an injured Huertas, #13 in a bad draft and a guy who’s being waived by (er leaving?) his team. Atleast get another future pick out of that.
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Post#479 » by CROBulls » Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:48 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Capela? I would hope that would be a straight Vuc swap, at worst.

I don’t know why the pendulum swings so comically with certain players. Arturas should resign if his Zach haul is an injured Huertas, #13 in a bad draft and a guy who’s being waived by (er leaving?) his team. Atleast get another future pick out of that.

Bad GM's get swindled a lot. Other GM's with this offers are just testing how bad they can swindle them.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? Playoff Edition. 

Post#480 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:12 pm

An alleged rumors is that the Kings are in the mix for both Zach and Alex, for the typical offer of Barnes, Heurter and picks (including this years 13th pick). I'd probably want some additional seconds if I'm being honest, but it does several things, saves money (not that we share care as fans, but ownership would like that), Barnes and Heurters contract has 2 years left, which currently aligns with Vuc's contract, and possibly DeMar's if they can convince him on a 2 year extension, but more importantly, we can replenish some of our draft assets if the Kings are willing to offer several picks which most teams don't seem to want to offer (which I understand).

Yeah, it's not the best deal, and it would set us back some, but as a franchise that is going nowhere, taking a few steps back, knowing that we now have draft capital wouldn't be the worst plan moving forward.
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