Bears 11.0: Free Agency, College Pro days, Draft & beyond

[patryk7754]

The 49'ers really got gutted- losing their starting safety Hufunga, plus a very good CB in Ward, and a very good LB in Greenlaw.

What’s crazy is that they still have a handful of blue chip guys. If I put my conspiracy theory hat on, the plan might be see if purdy can carry a team instead of just being a product of the system. If he’s great, great, you pay him. If he’s bad, you tank for manning

I think they are working on his contract this offseason though. They haven't lost many guys on offense, other than Debo, who was losing effectiveness anyway. But their defense has taken a big hit. Kittle isn't getting any younger either. They made a big mistake with Ayuik- he held out, they eventually gave him a big contract, he was rusty, and then got hurt.

Yeah, it’s unlikely but I don’t think it’s the worst strategy for any team without a sure fire franchise qb to target manning. And yeah, the ayuik deal was a bad deal but I did see that they were open to trading him.

I think the 49ers biggest problem is that all their stars that are left are the most injury prone and old (other than bosa and warner). So they might just tank in accident due to injury

[sco]

Any word on resigning Keenan Allen?

[Betta Bulleavit]

It’s super interesting that Bosa got substantially less than Mack and many others. Has he fallen off that much??

[Almost Retired]

https://youtu.be/nJ6DLdmHUcE?si=Rx0Q5K3DMNmx-cEE

I'd like Donte Thorton in the draft. He's almost a carbon copy of Jameson Williams. Thorton is 6'5 and ran a 4.30. He's projected to go in the 5th, but I would be happy with drafting him as high as the 3rd. Thorton and a vet min WR like Tim Patrick and our WR room is set.

He was not on my radar. With that size and speed he won't last until the 5th. I'd be OK taking him in the 3rd round as you said.

[Almost Retired]

I'm excited, and I think Poles did the main thing I wanted which was to free us up in the draft so we can react to who is falling or what is available. I am kind of worried to hear that Graham is small for the way the position is going as that was one guy I was hoping would be a good pick up if he fell but I actually agree there I do want size in the lines. OT all have short arms except the one guy with the significant sounding injury and picking a guard there seems kind of a waste since we have 2 second round picks which is prime guard area of the draft. I watched Stewart tape and he looked good but people have pointed out that he's still pretty raw but it's after 3 years he shouldn't be as much of a project he should be pretty polished at this point. Maybe I'm missing something I did like the video but that is kind of concerning.

I don't think I'm sold on any of the top guys being a LT. I just don't see any of them be a cornerstone LT. Banks out of Texas seems to be the most likely candidate for that, to me. And even heard things about him possibly being a better fit at OG. Simmons out of ohio st is my favorite OT, but he has some bad injury concerns. I'd draft him in the second in a heart beat. But, I wonder if it would be better to just trade for a LT. Someone like Armstead from the dolphins could be "easy' to get. They could use some cap relief and if we package Braxton with a mid round pick, they still get a starting caliber LT while adding a decent pick. For the right LT, i'd be willing to trade our 1st (after a trade back). I would imagine we could get a top 10-ish LT for the 20ish pick and Jones. And if it's an older guy (wouldn't trade a 1st for an older guy) we could still draft out LT of the future in the second

I like Armand Membou but I wouldn't take him at #10, and he might not even last until then. I prefer a trade down into the 15-20 range. And my target would be Nick Emmanwori the Safety out of South Carolina. He's one of those physical freaks. Built like a linebacker but with DB speed. Dennis Allen likes to put pressure on QBs. We now have 2 EDGE rushers that will command attention. Emmanwori. His combine numbers were stellar. 6'3", 220 lbs, 4.38 in the 40 (96 percentile) , 43" vertical (99 percentile) broad jump 138 in (100th percentile). Under Allen he would be a weapon. He's a run stopping force. A sure tackler. And he could be used to cover tight ends. His 10 yard burst time is 1.49. He can blitz. Stop the run, Cover in space. Jaquan Brisker is good, when he's available. But he's had too many concussions. His longevity is questionable. We can keep him for depth but I'd do the upgrade now. With a first round pick you want difference makers. Emmanwori is going to be a difference maker. We can get EDGE, O-LIne, D-Line or RB help in the 2nd round, especially if we can get another Day 2 pick from trading down.

[Almost Retired]

Any word on resigning Keenan Allen?

I hope we don't resign him. I'd rather draft Restrepo in the 3rd and get a younger guy on a cheap rookie deal.

[patryk7754]

https://youtu.be/nJ6DLdmHUcE?si=Rx0Q5K3DMNmx-cEE

I'd like Donte Thorton in the draft. He's almost a carbon copy of Jameson Williams. Thorton is 6'5 and ran a 4.30. He's projected to go in the 5th, but I would be happy with drafting him as high as the 3rd. Thorton and a vet min WR like Tim Patrick and our WR room is set.

He was not on my radar. With that size and speed he won't last until the 5th. I'd be OK taking him in the 3rd round as you said.

I think he’s projected so low because he’s kind of a “one trick pony” and not a great route runner. But he can be a crazy deep threat. Kinda reminds me of Will fuller (I think that’s his name). He played for the Texans and was a deadly deep threat but injuries killed his career

[patryk7754]

I'm excited, and I think Poles did the main thing I wanted which was to free us up in the draft so we can react to who is falling or what is available. I am kind of worried to hear that Graham is small for the way the position is going as that was one guy I was hoping would be a good pick up if he fell but I actually agree there I do want size in the lines. OT all have short arms except the one guy with the significant sounding injury and picking a guard there seems kind of a waste since we have 2 second round picks which is prime guard area of the draft. I watched Stewart tape and he looked good but people have pointed out that he's still pretty raw but it's after 3 years he shouldn't be as much of a project he should be pretty polished at this point. Maybe I'm missing something I did like the video but that is kind of concerning.

I don't think I'm sold on any of the top guys being a LT. I just don't see any of them be a cornerstone LT. Banks out of Texas seems to be the most likely candidate for that, to me. And even heard things about him possibly being a better fit at OG. Simmons out of ohio st is my favorite OT, but he has some bad injury concerns. I'd draft him in the second in a heart beat. But, I wonder if it would be better to just trade for a LT. Someone like Armstead from the dolphins could be "easy' to get. They could use some cap relief and if we package Braxton with a mid round pick, they still get a starting caliber LT while adding a decent pick. For the right LT, i'd be willing to trade our 1st (after a trade back). I would imagine we could get a top 10-ish LT for the 20ish pick and Jones. And if it's an older guy (wouldn't trade a 1st for an older guy) we could still draft out LT of the future in the second

I like Armand Membou but I wouldn't take him at #10, and he might not even last until then. I prefer a trade down into the 15-20 range. And my target would be Nick Emmanwori the Safety out of South Carolina. He's one of those physical freaks. Built like a linebacker but with DB speed. Dennis Allen likes to put pressure on QBs. We now have 2 EDGE rushers that will command attention. Emmanwori. His combine numbers were stellar. 6'3", 220 lbs, 4.38 in the 40 (96 percentile) , 43" vertical (99 percentile) broad jump 138 in (100th percentile). Under Allen he would be a weapon. He's a run stopping force. A sure tackler. And he could be used to cover tight ends. His 10 yard burst time is 1.49. He can blitz. Stop the run, Cover in space. Jaquan Brisker is good, when he's available. But he's had too many concussions. His longevity is questionable. We can keep him for depth but I'd do the upgrade now. With a first round pick you want difference makers. Emmanwori is going to be a difference maker. We can get EDGE, O-LIne, D-Line or RB help in the 2nd round, especially if we can get another Day 2 pick from trading down.

I like membou a lot but having him move from right to left is a major ask. Not impossible, especially if we give him time to develop. I think he’d be a great guard but kind of a waste since he’s so good at OT. I’m not really interested in drafting a OG of the future in the first, and that goes for any of these OTs that are maybe OGs.

Emmanwori Is a freak. He’s build in the mold of Derwin James and Cj garner Johnson. I’d hesitate to draft a safety in the first, but poles has put us in a position that taking best player available is maybe the best move in the first and if that happens to be Emmanwori, I wouldn’t be mad at it. Never a bad thing to add top notch talent. Someone I’ve hyped up lately is Billy Bowman jr out of Oklahoma. He reminds me a lot of Brian branch (who Ben Johnson is obviously familiar with). He has the versatility to play both safety spots (which Allen likes a lot), can play in the slot, in the box, he’s a middle, and makes plays on the ball. I’m hopeful he’s there in the third, but more like end of the second.

[patryk7754]

I think if free agency is an indication of anything, poles will be targeting scheme fit guys in the draft, which can give us a decent idea of who would be on the board

[molepharmer]

It’s super interesting that Bosa got substantially less than Mack and many others. Has he fallen off that much??

Bosa's issue is availability. Think I read somewhere that he was considering even retiring because of his injuries.

[patryk7754]

It’s super interesting that Bosa got substantially less than Mack and many others. Has he fallen off that much??

Bosa's issue is availability. Think I read somewhere that he was considering even retiring because of his injuries.

He’s also just not as good as Mack, even with the age difference. But it is kinda low

[Chi town]

Any word on resigning Keenan Allen?

I hope we don't resign him. I'd rather draft Restrepo in the 3rd and get a younger guy on a cheap rookie deal.

That’s exactly my plan.

We need a shifty slot that gets open and moved the chains.

Want nothing to do with Allen.

[fleet]

My thing with DT is there seems like two definitive body types guys that are 300lbs and guys that are 330lbs and all of these 330 guys are either coming at the end of the first round (1) or there is 3 of these guys right around where we pick in the 2nd round. I agree I want size on both lines so I would rather pick up one of these DT in that second round than try and pick one up at 10. I feel similarly about the offensive line I'd rather pick up a guard in that second round than try and take a tackle in the first and move them to IOL or deal with that one OT's knee. To me that second round seems like the perfect place to pick up both an IOL and DT.

Edge is one that I could probably go either way but it doesn't feel like any of those guys are really standing out and they all have something concerning. To me this feels like reaching for something we want to be there rather than taking advantage of what is there. Stewart does look pretty good to me on tape and I like his size but that part about his skills still being raw after 3 years has me a little concerned. I feel like what it could be is he's physically dominant at the college level so he doesn't have to work on his skills but that is going to change in the NFL and is he going to be able to progress is the question I would need to get to with him. I do like the way he moves on tape though and he does seem to react well to what is happening in front of him so I definitely wouldn't rule him out.

I don't mind getting an edge this year though I'm fine playing out the year and seeing how that young edge we picked up looks and then see how Kiran/Jones look at OT and if one of those positions look good and the other is struggling I maybe use the second to trade up in the first round next year and pick up whichever one we need more. We have too many holes to fill this year for me to want to trade up but next year it may make sense if we find that we do need to make a move at OT or Edge and then we have the benefit of seeing what we actually need. I think this year so far I would like Jeanty, Zabel, Williams and then the rest would be a mix of fast WR and defensive secondary guys because our secondary fell off last year after some injuries.

Stewart was the best player at the Senior Bowl. That indicates his flashes will translate on some level against better competition. He had a lot of pressures in school, but just didn’t finish for some reason. I wonder if he was playing too fast and also wasn’t coached to read the play and find the football, rather just get up the field. He’s gonna set the edge with that body. It’s just difficult for me to imagine that he would be the type of player that simply disappears on the field. Unless we find out he’s like really stupid or something. Or uncoachable. If he’s smart enough and coachable, he’s draft able.

[Dresden]

Any word on resigning Keenan Allen?

I hope we don't resign him. I'd rather draft Restrepo in the 3rd and get a younger guy on a cheap rookie deal.

Depends on price. I've heard his price tag could fall to under 10 M, in which case I'd consider it. Tyler Lockett is also out there, and I think Tim Patrick of the Lions is a FA too.

[nomorezorro]

i would keep an eye out for josh reynolds as our wr signing. should be cheap, did really well with johnson in detroit, and wouldn't count against the comp pick formula

[sco]

Any word on resigning Keenan Allen?

I hope we don't resign him. I'd rather draft Restrepo in the 3rd and get a younger guy on a cheap rookie deal.

Depends on price. I've heard his price tag could fall to under 10 M, in which case I'd consider it. Tyler Lockett is also out there, and I think Tim Patrick of the Lions is a FA too.

Should he command more than the $5M DHop just got?

[patryk7754]

I can understand wanting to move on from Allen because you prefer to get a younger guy in there, some of you are acting like he was pure trash. He had 70 catches, over 700 yards and 7TDs. And that’s after starting the season hurt, a wildly inconsistent QB, and an absolutely horrid OC.

He’s still pretty damn good and 10m will be a bargain. At worst he’s a WR2 so maybe that doesn’t fit in the bears plans for the offense and Odunze, but it’ll never be a bad thing to have him on your team

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I can understand wanting to move on from Allen because you prefer to get a younger guy in there, some of you are acting like he was pure trash. He had 70 catches, over 700 yards and 7TDs. And that’s after starting the season hurt, a wildly inconsistent QB, and an absolutely horrid OC.

He’s still pretty damn good and 10m will be a bargain. At worst he’s a WR2 so maybe that doesn’t fit in the bears plans for the offense and Odunze, but it’ll never be a bad thing to have him on your team

I don’t think anything would say he was trash. A shifty speed slot WR would probably round out our WR room better. I think that’s more of what BJ wants. We could also get one that is younger and cheaper and still provide a lot of what Keenan was bringing.

[Almost Retired]

My thing with DT is there seems like two definitive body types guys that are 300lbs and guys that are 330lbs and all of these 330 guys are either coming at the end of the first round (1) or there is 3 of these guys right around where we pick in the 2nd round. I agree I want size on both lines so I would rather pick up one of these DT in that second round than try and pick one up at 10. I feel similarly about the offensive line I'd rather pick up a guard in that second round than try and take a tackle in the first and move them to IOL or deal with that one OT's knee. To me that second round seems like the perfect place to pick up both an IOL and DT.

Edge is one that I could probably go either way but it doesn't feel like any of those guys are really standing out and they all have something concerning. To me this feels like reaching for something we want to be there rather than taking advantage of what is there. Stewart does look pretty good to me on tape and I like his size but that part about his skills still being raw after 3 years has me a little concerned. I feel like what it could be is he's physically dominant at the college level so he doesn't have to work on his skills but that is going to change in the NFL and is he going to be able to progress is the question I would need to get to with him. I do like the way he moves on tape though and he does seem to react well to what is happening in front of him so I definitely wouldn't rule him out.

I don't mind getting an edge this year though I'm fine playing out the year and seeing how that young edge we picked up looks and then see how Kiran/Jones look at OT and if one of those positions look good and the other is struggling I maybe use the second to trade up in the first round next year and pick up whichever one we need more. We have too many holes to fill this year for me to want to trade up but next year it may make sense if we find that we do need to make a move at OT or Edge and then we have the benefit of seeing what we actually need. I think this year so far I would like Jeanty, Zabel, Williams and then the rest would be a mix of fast WR and defensive secondary guys because our secondary fell off last year after some injuries.

Stewart was the best player at the Senior Bowl. That indicates his flashes will translate on some level against better competition. He had a lot of pressures in school, but just didn’t finish for some reason. I wonder if he was playing too fast and also wasn’t coached to read the play and find the football, rather just get up the field. He’s gonna set the edge with that body. It’s just difficult for me to imagine that he would be the type of player that simply disappears on the field. Unless we find out he’s like really stupid or something. Or uncoachable. If he’s smart enough and coachable, he’s draft able.

The beauty of adding Stewart would be that he would not have to start right away. He could share the duties with Sweat and Dayo, maybe with a little Austin Booker thrown in as well. Keep them all fresh through a long season by rotating them in and out. If we can pick up a big DT in the 2nd round I'd do the same thing. A four man rotation with Dexter, Billings, Jarrett and a 2nd rounder (someone like Tyliek Williams, Alfred Collins or Deone Walker).

[nitetrain8603]

Agreed on not bringing Keenan back. Don't want any of the Lions receivers either. I would actually prefer Cooper Kupp tbh. I think he could be had.

I didn't like how Caleb would ignore open receivers to try to force feed Keenan. That wasn't a coaching thing, that was a CW/KA thing.

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