Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

[jl342323]

boozer is a bad defender.

taj is 1000 times a defender than boozer is.
asik is a better paint protection than noah.
brewer is better than rip.
deng plays with the bench mob.
and the cj watson isnt that bad.

that would equate to better points per 100 possessions on defense.

the bulls were only second worst to bobcats in points per 100 possessions (offense) in the nba. the bulls lived off on the defense and they were **** on offense. it says alot b/c the game plan was a part of the problem offensively.

[mrlancers]

Deng and 2 1st round picks (late 1st rounders) for Devin Harris, Dorell Wright, the #7 pick and maybe a 2nd rounder.

I actually am ok with that deal.

Noah / Asik
Boozer / Gibson
Wright / Butler
Harris / Lucas
Hamilton / #7

That roster keeps them in playoff contention once Rose returns around All-Star break. Bulls decline the options of Watson / Korver / Brewer which that money goes to keeping Asik and Gibson, who are more important. Contracts of Wright and Harris come off the books next summer, and Hamilton's option will be declined.

Yeah. I think I would pull the trigger on that deal.

[jl342323]

Deng and 2 1st round picks (late 1st rounders) for Devin Harris, Dorell Wright, the #7 pick and maybe a 2nd rounder.

I actually am ok with that deal.

Noah / Asik
Boozer / Gibson
Wright / Butler
Harris / Lucas
Hamilton / #7

That roster keeps them in playoff contention once Rose returns around All-Star break. Bulls decline the options of Watson / Korver / Brewer which that money goes to keeping Asik and Gibson, who are more important. Contracts of Wright and Harris come off the books next summer, and Hamilton's option will be declined.

Yeah. I think I would pull the trigger on that deal.

that would give us some pretty nice 3pt threats in the starting unit to start the season.
wright career 36% 3pt shooter. shot better than 36% past two seasons while attempting more than 5 per game. devin harris has been shooting it at 36% also while attempting about 4 per game past 2 seasons.

i would keep korver if possible. + trade away 1 of 4 front court players and go with 3 man rotation in the pf/c position. (spot minutes for the 4th big)

[mrlancers]

I'd rather have a four big man rotation because I don't trust Boozer and Noah staying healthy for a full season. If the Bulls can coerce the 35th pick from GS, they could theoretically go for a big man, but he'll probably be too raw to do anything but play Jimmy Butler minutes from this past season.

[jl342323]

I'd rather have a four big man rotation because I don't trust Boozer and Noah staying healthy for a full season. If the Bulls can coerce the 35th pick from GS, they could theoretically go for a big man, but he'll probably be too raw to do anything but play Jimmy Butler minutes from this past season.

if you truly want to see who taj is, then you would want him to play about 27-30 minutes per game. that is not gonna happen if you go with 4 man rotation. (for example, utah went three deep and boozer, okur, AND milsap were all able to play 28+ minutes per game.)

i just dont like the idea of going 4 deep. i would rather sacrifice this asset for better offensive talent. these bigs need minutes for them to get going. if you believe taj is best utilized in the bench role providing the spark off the bench, then i would agree with you. i want to see what he can do when he gets 28 minutes per game

[Blue Note]

i just dont like the idea of going 4 deep. i would rather sacrifice this asset for better offensive talent.

Measured against trading Deng, I agree. You're investing a lot of the cap in the four. Are both a backup 4 and 5 so valuable?

The group of four is so fascinating though, especially when Rose is in. You would like more from the lead guy, but his role seems to be as placeholder for Mirotic. The distribution of skills among the four spots makes a lot of sense to have.

[jl342323]

The group of four is so fascinating though, especially when Rose is in. You would like more from the lead guy, but his role seems to be as placeholder for Mirotic. The distribution of skills among the four spots makes a lot of sense to have.

it would be alot more fascinating and make alot more sense if the cost of having these 4 guys was less than 28 million per year. (i think i can safely assume that the duo of taj and asik after their next deal would be atleast 10 million.) add 10+15+12= 37. that is alot of dough to throw at 4 guys.

you really shouldnt have a guy making 15 mil bucks if you are going to go 4 deep. thibs would much rather have bass than boozer. trends continue that boozer in pressured playoff games booz isnt playing in the 4th. for many reasons.

[fleet]

Sorry guys, I've been trying to get the details and it's still kind of shaky right now but here's what I got

Bulls get- Wright, Harris, #7 and 2nd rd pick or picks not fully sure on the 2nd rd stuff yet

Jazz get- Bieds, 29, 30, Bulls 2013 1st and another Bulls player (in the past I know Utah like Watson)

Warriors- Deng

Other things could be involved but this is what I got so far

Ehh, kind of a poor deal to give up Deng and 2 1st rounders to get #7, Dorrell Wright, and Devin Harris.

true. it sets up upcoming salary relief for its own value or for future deals. Which apparently is what the Bulls are interested in, moving in another direction. I view it as an opening chess move seting up what they really want down the line

[boogydown]

Dengs Agent said the Bulls have no intentions to trade him.

Link: http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22166 ... mid_Rumors

[step]

I keep wondering if there's some way of trading Boozer to Charlotte

Well their asking price for the #2 wasn't that high in my view.

If the rumour had any weight to it I would do it in a heartbeat, even adding a future pick / Taj or Asik. Then still look to move Deng to Sac for the #5 if they're still interested.

My random pipe dream atm is to walk out of this with Robinson & Barnes. Improbable I know.

[thedarkstark]

Dengs Agent said the Bulls have no intentions to trade him.

Link: http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22166 ... mid_Rumors

That isn't at all what he said.


“The Bulls have indicated to me that they do not plan to trade him"

Don't plan to =/= no intentions

Why wouldn't you just copy and paste the exact quote instead of putting your own little spin on it?

[fleet]

“The Bulls have indicated to me that they do not plan to trade him,” Rudoy said. “But as we know, anything is possible.”

whether or not they do, its weird having an agent being the one doing the denials

[kulaz3000]

Dengs Agent said the Bulls have no intentions to trade him.

Link: http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22166 ... mid_Rumors

That isn't at all what he said.


“The Bulls have indicated to me that they do not plan to trade him"

Don't plan to =/= no intentions

Why wouldn't you just copy and paste the exact quote instead of putting your own little spin on it?

It clearly states, Deng's agent said that Bulls have no intention to trade him; his AGENT. You'd hardly consider that as concrete evidence as to whether a player is going to be traded or not.

Not exactly sure what you mean by the poster "spinning" the story. Not sure what you think he gets out of it, even if it were to he were to be spinning a story, when in this case he clearly was not.

People not to stop being so overly anal and sensitive. We are all on the same team, and I realize we're all anxious and excited about what may or may not happen leading up to the draft and during, but lets just all calm down and just enjoy it. Because soon after, it's going to be a long wait until the season starts.

[kulaz3000]

“The Bulls have indicated to me that they do not plan to trade him,” Rudoy said. “But as we know, anything is possible.”

whether or not they do, its weird having and agent being the one doing the denials

Not really, if you think of it from Deng's point of view, going from a strong team like the Bulls to going to a likely crappy team. Deng though saying the right things publically, may be livid behind closed doors, and the agent may be standing up for his guy publically to hopefully burn down any rumors.

[thedarkstark]

Dengs Agent said the Bulls have no intentions to trade him.

Link: http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22166 ... mid_Rumors

That isn't at all what he said.


“The Bulls have indicated to me that they do not plan to trade him"

Don't plan to =/= no intentions

Why wouldn't you just copy and paste the exact quote instead of putting your own little spin on it?

It clearly states, Deng's agent said that Bulls have no intention to trade him; his AGENT. You'd hardly consider that as concrete evidence as to whether a player is going to be traded or not.

Not exactly sure what you mean by the poster "spinning" the story. Not sure what you think he gets out of it, even if it were to he were to be spinning a story, when in this case he clearly was not.

People not to stop being so overly anal and sensitive. We are all on the same team, and I realize we're all anxious and excited about what may or may not happen leading up to the draft and during, but lets just all calm down and just enjoy it. Because soon after, it's going to be a long wait until the season starts.

No it doesn't. No intention isn't the same as no plans.

I can INTEND on becoming a billionaire, without having a plan on how to do it.

Just like the Bulls may INTEND to trade Deng, but they may not have a plan to do it unless a deal falls into place.

No intention is a firm denial. While no plans isn't.

Again why not use the guys actual words instead of putting your own spin on it. Misinterpretation leads to misinformation. And I realize it's Deng's agent, but that isn't relevant to what I'm talking about.

[fleet]

"No plans" is a fairly standard stance to trading players. And exactly when that "indication" to Rudoy took place is relevant. Yesterday? Post Heat win or Pre Heat win? Before the playoffs?

They don't plan to trade a guy, but they will do their due diligence and are open to it for the right deal. Typical stance yes? Sometimes teams (often the Bulls) will be in the mode that the offer would need to blow their socks off. Just a wild guess, but I'm not sure the Bulls are in that mode. In order to set up whatever possible game changing moves they have in mind, They just might do a fair deal in order to facilitate those moves if a fair deal shows up..... instead of trying to win the trade under normal socks blowing off circumstances. Especially given all the circumstances Deng, Rose and the Bulls are dealing with at the moment. In new light of the Heat winning it all, maybe they aren't as high on the team as they were before the playoffs, and see some possible moves they can make down the line to deal with a new perspective. Bare minimum, they carve out some space for new additions like Mirotic and perhaps Gibson and Asik.

No plans. Possibly true. And, is this a new stance or and older stance? Herb has to give us a time reference in order to judge his comment fully.

[pb-ceo]

the agent basically said that Deng could be traded. That's the bottom line. If he really believed there was no chance, he never would have qualified his statement. intention is a term lawyers use all the time.

[pb-ceo]

Per Gar, "Bulls won't do anything short term". Acquiring Harris I would think would be a long term thing. We'd possibly play him some minutes beside Rose.

that's classic GM speak. you can justify any move as being long term. one move sets up another. Gar gives away nothing. I never even listen to his interviews because he's so practiced at saying exactly what you expect him too.

[pb-ceo]

This trade would make us players in FA or absorbing the salary of an all star in the summer of 2013 wouldn't it? James Harden anyone?

JH just said he is reupping with OKC. He doesn't sound like he is holding out for every last penny because at 22 he is going to have another massive deal after this one if he continues to progress. Now why would he want to leave a situation like OKC? he's almost a lock to be on the big stage for years to come with OKC.

[revredbird23]

This trade is likely on hold until the Warriors are on the clock on draft night with the Bulls "guy" sitting there. Should make for an exciting night. Oh and I'm in favor of Jeremy Lamb as the pick.