Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Rerisen]

I disagree that this is a side of Derrick or his camp that we haven't seen before. Rose from Day 1 has had a Kobe Bryant-esque obsession with winning. Every player wants to win or "sacrifice" something to win. Rose takes it much further than most players in the league aside from a few. K.C.'s tweet acting like Rose is some lighthearted snowbunny is full of naive bull.

If Reggie is saying this publicly imagine how others in Rose's camp feel. Hell, you know Reggie's probably told this to Derrick too. Rose wants to win and if the Bulls are more content doing **** they did in 2004-2008 that was financial related, he's not going to stand for it and this will be a lingering issue over the course of his five year contract.

Reggie's lighting a **** inferno and declaring this big boy basketball, and it's about time someone did it. Yes he could have done a better job at it, but this was well-needed. This front office needs to act more like a big market team. The Bulls are that one team that just doesn't have that same aura as an NY, Boston, LA even **** Brooklyn.

Kobe acted like a huge D-bag, and 'ruined the locker room' when he stood in a parking lot and told the Lakers to ship Bynum's ass out of town. As well as saying 'get your Bulls jerseys ready'. One year later they were holding up the Larry O'Brien trophy...

Now how are fans supposed to reconcile that? Hate Kobe, or like the end result. Only mistake Derrick and his crew might have made here, Bulls aren't the Lakers.

[msbulls29]

I have to agree with Reggie here. Lets look at the "star" talent around Noah and Deng are good most nights but not great. They are players that can really help Rose take this team to a title. But outside of that what do they have? Boozer can't be relied on to play D most the time. When one of your "stars" has to be off the floor at the end of games when you really need to relay on your starters because he's so bad on one side of the floor that's not going to take you very far. Rip is on the bench most the game. At one time he really would be a great part of what the Bulls want but he's not that player anymore. He would be better served coming off the bench with his minutes more spread out. So that leaves the Bulls 2 starters down. They have a really good bench with Marco Jimmy Taji and Kirk would be on the bench when Rose comes back. But when you're 2 starters down really the bench isn't going to be able to pick up all that slack.

I don't think they needed to pick up anther all star player but they needed to grab anther reliable starter IMO. The fact that they have been saying for a while now that they weren't really going to add much to this team tells me they weren't really working the phones today. I was not surprised they didn't make a move but I was disappointed in what I've heard from this team for the last few weeks that there wasn't going to be anyone added to this team. Just my thoughts on it

[BeKuK]

But behind the scenes, this tension will remain.

Uh yeah....Radmanovic and Mohammed will probably go crazy as hell!

[nitetrain8603]

BTW, this really started with them losing against Miami in the ECF and LeBron telling Rose he needs 1 more player while dapping him up. Rose didn't want to pay attention and he was hurt they loss. Then his eyes really opened last year when the team went completely down after he tore his ACL in last years playoffs against the 8th seed.

[WinCity]

Yeah, I'm really afraid you're right. This is pretty inexcusable. Even if you have an issue with management, there's no excusing throwing his teammates under the bus. There's really little justification for it when you consider how competitive they've been without him. I don't like this side of Derrick at all. And the thing that really gets me about this stuff is it is so passive aggressive. It's the kind of bitch move guys like Lebron and Carmelo pull and I thought he was better than that. This really makes me appreciate MJ even more. He'd trash his teammates, but he'd do it like a man to their faces.

Exactly. I think the posters who are saying "I agree with him, Rose just wants to win!" and "I can't believe posters are turning their back on him" (which I'm not doing, by the way) are misunderstanding the concern here.

I don't have a problem with Rose or his people at all expressing these views to Bulls management. None. I don't even know that I'd have a problem with Reggie saying this at a different point in time.

But Jesus Christ, the season isn't over. These team is playing their hearts out like wounded warriors trying to keep it afloat in the hope Rose can return. The Bulls have been contenders for two straight years. Have two additional allstars to Rose. Are only not contending right now because of Rose himself.

And you come out and suggest that he might not return this season because his teammates aren't good enough, and he might embarrass himself by not playing great? When a guy like Luol Deng refused SURGERY so he could compete this year?

The point is that a camp that is willing to do that, under these circumstances, is basically standing there with a barrell full of red flags, throwing one after another into the air while shining a spotlight on them.

+2 (one for each poster)

Here is the thing DUCK Rose has the leverage now. The Bulls arent winning a title this year. The timing is ripe for taking this stand, and frankly JR needs that kick in the pants. Rose is seizing the opportunity to up the pressure.

[nwasquad]

For those using "management let Asik walk for nothing" as an argument to show ownership is too cheap/incompetent and failed to capitalize on an opportunity to use Asik as an asset and improve the team need to remember something:

No one knew or even thought that he would be offered a "poison pill" contract which, if we matched, would cost us $15 million in Year 3. FIFTEEN million.

I firmly believe that management was ready to pay Asik a decently sized, if not slightly overpaid contract for what would have amounted to a back-up center role on the team. They didn't want to bid against themselves so they told Asik he was free to look for an offer, and they probably were going to simply match any reasonably sized deal. This is why I don't understand how people can retrospectively say, "we should've traded him for Mayo if we were going to let him walk anyway." To let him walk, IMO, was never the plan. We planned to match but got screwed by the "poison pill" provision.

Even though Asik has blossomed in a starting role in Houston, he wouldn't be getting that kind of consistent playing time here (even factoring in Noah and Boozer's propensity to injuries), and it made sense not to match the offer sheet at the time.

Finally, people on this forum would likely complain (a lot more than they already are now) if we matched the offer sheet and had to pay Asik roughly 20-25% of the team's salary cap to fill the role of a back-up center in Year 3; not a superstar, like Rose, who can play on both sides of the ball, but an offensively challenged backup center. It wouldn't make sense to tie up that much money in a one-way player like Asik when there are many other holes to fill on our roster and much more efficient ways of spending that money and spreading it across several players to better fill out and balance the roster.

[waffle]

the mindset that the bulls brain trust is not interested in winning is insane

This isn't fantasy basketball. you have to make choices, and yes, finances MATTER

Overall I can see why they have made pretty much every choice they have made, including not signing Mr. Asik, whom I loved.

Remember IT ISN"T PAX"S MONEY

Overall this FO has done a terrific job.

[panthermark]

IMHO, a lot of posters don't get the league right now. A single star by himself isn't winning a title. We have one superstar with decent role players but we don't have any game changers. Guys that can get a decent shot on their own, draw a foul and get the line during an offensive drought.

It doesn't matter how .any decent guys you surround your star player with. The NBA especially is a game where the stars get special treatment. DRose started to finally earn that respect but he is just one guy to Miami's 3. I love Deng and Noah but not like the FO does. Something has to change. The Pistons got lucky, you can't count on that business model succeeding repeadtly in this game.

All in all the FO wants to compete for a title as long as it is profitable... That's as plain as it can be put

Dirk says

I get your point...but the Bulls TRIED to Bron/Wade/Bosh. They just picked another location. Once those three signed on the dotted line, it all went downhill from there. This would be much easier if a team would have "gifted" us a Pau Gasol in his prime (for Marc...err...Asik)...but it did not happen.

[BullsGate]

NOW I KNOW....IT'S JUST A TYPICAL BULLS PHENOMENON:

First - how quickly Scottie forgot about Jordan's greatness

and now

How quickly BULLS FANS FORGOT about Derrick. Man, he allowed us to join the great ride. He took us back in basketball Heaven ....!

I can't believe what happend tonight here on the Board.

+ Trillionaire

[League Circles]

Can everyone who wants the Bulls to get better (because they think they aren't good enough to win despite so much evidence to the contrary) possibly shut up now that we're paying the tax AND pressure is clearly being put on management to win?

Who gives a **** what anyone not named Rose, Thibbs, Noah, and Deng think about what Reggie thinks about the team?

Do we seriously care that RIP, Boozer, Marco and Kirk are going to be too butthurt? If they were playing better and were better players, this wouldn't be an issue. I kinda wish Reggie had mentioned Taj too, but other than that, he's spot on.

If anything, this was as much a challenge to our poor players as it was to the FO.

But I maintain, these comments were almost surely made BEFORE the deadline, and were likely to serve as a warning not to dump Boozer, etc.

Reggie and Derrick know damn well there is no way the Bulls could add another elite player right now without giving up Noah.

[DuckIII]

What has Derrick done to attract other SUPERSTARS? Didn't he want to be the MAN?

What hasn't he done to attract other superstars?

Um, talk to them and recruit them like everyone else in the NBA does?

What has the Bulls FO done to attract other superstars?

Other than meeting with them and their agents and offering them max contracts?

[Mr Funk]

Uhh... How about Joakim Noah and Luol Deng for Carmelo Anthony? And he was willing to come here so don't say he wasn't.

Yeah.

Melo would have no problem playing second fiddle to Rose.

He would've been perfect for the locker room, and team culture of hard work and sacrifice, seeing as he doesn't have a colossal ego, isn't a whiner, and has a Deng-like reputation for being a warrior.

[DRoseChiCity420]

Sadly this is the **** thats being filled in Rose head on a daily basis an its by his family otherwise Rose wouldnt even think of this stuff its his brother thinking this cause of the $$$...remember rose dont care about recruiting never did but now his brother comes out an says this...this seems to be more of his thoughts then what rose thinks an sadly we wont hear about what rose thinks about this cause he never speaks

In fact i think Rose can be playing right now but is being held back

[DASMACKDOWN]

Some of you guys are totally ridiculous in this thread.

[Pnjguy]

Didn't Reinsdorf, ya know the owner of the team, basically say that Rose should probably take the year off? Hasn't the whole approach of the FO been that sentiment as well by basically giving away the bench mob? For the people that are getting pissed at Reggie, looks like you've been played the whole year.

[johnnyvann840]

at the end of the day drose is payed well to play.

I don't think there is a single player in the NBA who doesn't wish that his team could be upgraded.

OKC traded Harden, is Durant going to throw it in this year because his roster was worsened?

Does KOBE take days off because he is part of a dysfunctional mess not of his own making?

EVERY PLAYER HAS RESERVATION. EVERY PLAYER IS PAYED TO PLAY

Don't start thinking your run things Derrick and Co. Do what you are payed well to do

And I still say THIS TEAM as constituted could beat the Heat.

And the one thing I love about Kobe is he calls his teammates out right to their face and he does it himself... just like MJ did.

[waffle]

Mr Funk, you need to put that in green font. Some folks here won't figure out that you are being <sarcastic>

[ChicagoStrong]

Some of you guys are totally ridiculous in this thread.

[Jeffster81]

Whose to say if Reggie is right or not, but the fact remains you address these concerns behind close doors. You don't air this out in public. Shut....the....****...up, Reggie Rose. I refused to believe this is what Derrick truly believes, I think this is more on Reggie thinking he knows what Derrick wants. But who knows.

[organix85]

- He should have been putting on public pressure this summer or before the trade deadline (you know, when the Bulls could have done something) and done so in a constructive fashion. His quotes sound less intelligent and informed than my 10 year old son.

What says he didn't?