Melo #13: Believe in Joakim Noah & Crew

[red222]

via the score Marc Berman states that Anthony's wife wants him to return to NY.

[MrSparkle]

Does anyone else think it'd be ridiculous if Chicago pitched $16m to Melo? I mean, honestly, I'm not surprised if Hayward gets that much on this market. Too much cap-space. We're not the Miami situation, and you gotta throw those Wade/Bosh numbers out the window.

Anyone who reports that Bulls are looking for Melo to take a pay-cut like that, they're either blowing air... OR, the Chicago FO is dumb as rocks.

You need to find a way to get Melo in the $20m ball-park annual, even with Taj. IMO the pay-cut stuff has to do with his tail-end 4th/5th year options and the max salary NYK can offer vs. a team signing him as an unrestricted FA. He's not gonna jump-ship for $16m unless it's Lebron making the pitch of his life.

Booze, Dunleavy, Randolph + multiple 1sts/Mirotic should be able to net a $20m TPE.

[WindyCityBorn]

If the Bulls don't sign Carmelo, what scoring wings could possibly be available in free agency or by trade? I would hope the Bulls would still amnesty or trade Boozer and use that $11 million or so to improve the team.

[DuckIII]

Nobody is saying it because it isn't true. Broussard is spouting BS. The Knicks aren't giving him the max. The hyperbole of going from 22 to 15 (which isn't even the Bulls max) is ridiculous.

well, somebody on our board said Windhorst said it on Sportscenter. Then....silence in the media world. Needs to be clarified. Did one of our people hear that wrong and report it wrong?

Windhorst did report that. I saw it.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

via the score Marc Berman states that Anthony's wife wants him to return to NY.

Berman reported that in a story yesterday. We've all decided that Melo don't care.

[coldfish]

seems to me the fact that melo is even CONSIDERING returning to the knicks makes it a longshot he takes a steep paycut

Quite frankly, we have no idea what Carmelo is actually considering. The rumors coming out right now don't seem to be particularly well sourced or strong. For all we know, he could be 100% set on Chicago or 100% set on NY.

During the draft Simmons blurted out something to the effect of "its our job at ESPN to push the big story!" I always thought that but was surprised to hear it so blatantly. I would not be surprised if ESPN is intentionally pushing rumors of Melo going to every team and changing the story daily just to drive interest and ratings.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Does anyone else think it'd be ridiculous if Chicago pitched $16m to Melo? I mean, honestly, I'm not surprised if Hayward gets that much on this market. Too much cap-space. We're not the Miami situation, and you gotta throw those Wade/Bosh numbers out the window.

Anyone who reports that Bulls are looking for Melo to take a pay-cut like that, they're either blowing air... OR, the Chicago FO is dumb as rocks.

You need to find a way to get Melo in the $20m ball-park annual, even with Taj. IMO the pay-cut stuff has to do with his tail-end 4th/5th year options and the max salary NYK can offer vs. a team signing him as an unrestricted FA. He's not gonna jump-ship for $16m unless it's Lebron making the pitch of his life.

Booze, Dunleavy, Randolph + multiple 1sts/Mirotic should be able to net a $20m TPE.

Both Melo and the Bulls knew what numbers the other was looking for before the meeting took place. There weren't going to be any surprises - all of the team info is publicly available. Melo took the meeting because he likes what the Bulls are selling.

[RyGuy24]

Their graphic artists ain't got nothin on us.

[bad knees]

There's been a lot of talk about the option of amnestying Boozer and then doing a S&T to get Melo, and a lot of numbers thrown around, but I haven't seen a post that breaks it all down player by player. Below is my effort. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see how this approach allows us to pay Melo his max.

Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,700,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Taj - $8,000,000
Snell- $1,472,400
Amundson - $1,310,286
Brewer - $1,310,286
James - $1,445,490
MDJ - $3,326,235
Smith - $915,243
McDermott - $1,898,300
Randolph - $1,825,329
Rip* - $333,334

Total: $55,407,527

Under the $63.2M cap: $7,792,473

Trade MDJ, Snell, Amundson, James, Brewer, Randolph = total salary of $10,690,026

Total amount of Melo salary we can take back: 7,792,473 + 10,690,026 + 100,000 = $18,582,499

The only way that I can see getting higher would be to keep Nazr's cap hold of 915,243 (which would reduce the cap space to 6,877,230), and then sign him to a Bogans-like contract at the max of $5.3M, and trade him, which would create outgoing salary of half of that ($2.65M) because of BYC issues. That would increase the total amount that we can take back in Melo salary to: 6,877,230 + 10,690026 + 100,000 + 2,650,000 = $20,317,256.

I see other people with higher numbers. Am I missing something?

[Droseisthe1]

Their graphic artists ain't got nothin on us.

Wow, copy Chicago much, Houston?

[ATRAIN53]

The one thing that really worries me about Carmelo's decision is what the effect of leaving would have to the viewpoint of him from fans of NY.

NY was his most preferred destination back in 2011... he was able to successfully get his way to that team. He then energized the fan base.

If he chooses the Bulls... wouldn't the NYK fans boo him the rest of his career? Does he really want to deal with that...?


I'm worried. In the end, I think he would probably take not getting booed from his hometown fans.

That's what Lebron dealt with 2010 - Present. He gave up playing for his hometown to contend and now he's a 2 time champ.

The differnece here is that LeBron tried for a few years to recruit his buddies to Cleveland. No one wanted to come. The closet he got was a broken down Shaq who was too far past his prime. But he made serious pitches to every FA in 2008 and 2009 to crickets.

This is actually the time Melo should be recruiting for the Knicks, and he's doing some 'spying' on the other top orgainzations which might be his version of recruiting for Phil.

But I agree that becoming a pariah in NYC and turning down a MAX deal seems insane for Melo.
The NYC media will destroy those guys if he leaves. I just can't see the wife and kid being OK with that, becoming pariahs in the city they seem to love. Would you want that?

I think yesterday was basically Melo giving Joakim the curteosy of a Bulls pitch but this was also his chance to explain to all those guys why he needs to stay in NYC despite the fact this would be a good fit. Instead of them reading stories in the press if/why he resigns in NYC - they will know exactly why and heard it from him directly yesteday.

The NBA has changed. Jo, Rose and Melo might be hanging at ASG for years to come. Carmelo will be in USA basketball with Thibs in a few weeks.

[Chitownbulls]

Their graphic artists ain't got nothin on us.

They ain't got nothing on ours lol I doubt Cuban does the same thing

[dice]

Their graphic artists ain't got nothin on us.

at least we're not the only cheap prostitutes...

[Magilla_Gorilla]

If the Bulls don't sign Carmelo, what scoring wings could possibly be available in free agency or by trade? I would hope the Bulls would still amnesty or trade Boozer and use that $11 million or so to improve the team.

Chandler Parsons & Lance Stephenson, then Paul Pierce, then Ariza, then whole load of crap. (Hayward is getting matched by Utah - he isn't available.

[bledredwine]

How will Melo feel ending his career knowing he never put himself in the position to win a championship. He's coming to Chicago. He's most likely thinking these things.

[Bondo]

Their graphic artists ain't got nothin on us.

at least we're not the only cheap prostitutes...

I mean of course we've seen this type of work in the past trying to lure FAs.....but you'd think Houston would have come up with something different directly after the Bulls doing it.
Im sure Melo thought it was clever yesterday....

[WindyCityBorn]

via the score Marc Berman states that Anthony's wife wants him to return to NY.

She doesn't care about him winning anything. She just wants the money(understandable) and to maintain her NYC socialite status. I don't think Melo is turning down max money from the Knicks. Hopefully we get this out of the way by Monday. Gonna be a long week. Hope the Bulls give Minnesota a call today...

[kurtatx]

If the Bulls don't sign Carmelo, what scoring wings could possibly be available in free agency or by trade? I would hope the Bulls would still amnesty or trade Boozer and use that $11 million or so to improve the team.

Chandler Parsons & Lance Stephenson, then Paul Pierce, then Ariza, then whole load of crap. (Hayward is getting matched by Utah - he isn't available.

I would certainly take a flier on Lance Stephenson, but I think the Bulls would have to overpay to get him because the Pacers offering is good.

[MGB8]

Does anyone else think it'd be ridiculous if Chicago pitched $16m to Melo? I mean, honestly, I'm not surprised if Hayward gets that much on this market. Too much cap-space. We're not the Miami situation, and you gotta throw those Wade/Bosh numbers out the window.

Anyone who reports that Bulls are looking for Melo to take a pay-cut like that, they're either blowing air... OR, the Chicago FO is dumb as rocks.

You need to find a way to get Melo in the $20m ball-park annual, even with Taj. IMO the pay-cut stuff has to do with his tail-end 4th/5th year options and the max salary NYK can offer vs. a team signing him as an unrestricted FA. He's not gonna jump-ship for $16m unless it's Lebron making the pitch of his life.

Booze, Dunleavy, Randolph + multiple 1sts/Mirotic should be able to net a $20m TPE.

No, I don't think it's that ridiculous.


16.4 or whatnot (with Jimmy) in year one, 17.1 year 2, 17.9 year 3, and 18.7 year 4 adds up to a bit over 70 million over 4 years. That's a lot less than what he could get with NY (near 100 million).

BUT, you have the Miami example, and he has no shot of competing with them for a ring UNLESS he takes that kind of paycut, whether with us or Houston.

You also have the fact that he'll probably be making another 50 million or more over those 4 years outside of his contract just with endoresements and other deals, regardless of which team. In fact, I think he'd make more in Chicago because of the buzz from the move, the fact that it's not that much smaller a market than NY, and the fact that he'd likely have more success.

Then you have some relatively insignificant playoff money that he's more likely to make with the Bulls than NY.

Finally, New York City is terrible tax wise (affecting 50% of games) - 5% in IL vs. a whopping combined 12.6% top bracket in NYC (State tax 8.8, city tax 3.8).

Oh, and cost of living at even the high end is WAY lower in Chicago than NYC (I lived in Chicago 4 years, and split time in NYC for a few). Pretty much double costs for NYC at most levels.

I think the Bulls are fine.

[Chitownbulls]

Tom Penn is the man! Same with Legler!! Talking the Bulls up!