Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[DroseReturnChi]

I'd trade Jimmy Butler. Time to cash in.

He's not Michael Jordan. Hell, he's not even Pippen and the Bulls were going to trade Pip to Seattle for Kemp. Do it in the summer though, not now. So we can possibly get Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball for Butler, Niko, McDermott, his mom, Benny the Bull, and our first rounders? I'm in.

It would be a dream to keep Butler and be bad enough to get a top 3 pick without trading though.

Scottie's best season (while Jordan was retired) was 22 pts/ 8.1 r/5.2 ast w/a PER of 23.2 and TS% of .544. Butler is currently doing 25.2 its/6.8 r/4.5 ast w/ a PER of 26.3 and TS$ of .590. Those performances aren't super distinguishable.

I still take Scottie since he's the best wing defender of all time. Guy like Scottie and now Lebron dont need to score all the time to prove they are one of the best players in the league.

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Why are people bothering with this rumor? The tweet says: "A 52-point game may not be enough to keep this star guard in Chicago for long.." See that? MAY NOT BE ENOUGH.. . That is about as vague a statement as one can make. Bucher could make this up and it would be true, but it still wouldn't have any significance. In fact, this entire board has been talking about the possibility, or the desire, to trade Butler since the end of last season. Bucher is saying absolutely nothing. So why is everyone treating this as any more of a possibility than it was one day ago? This is as empty as fake news.

[BigSleep333]

Here's a trade that I would do for Butler.

Butler and 2017 first to Philly for Simmons, Okafor and Philly 2017 first.

Yes, I know that sounds ludicrous af and that's because it's supposed to. We shouldn't be taking anything for Butler that doesn't clearly lay a legit foundation for the future. Next year this time might be a different situation. But as of now, Jimmy "statistically" is a top ten guy. We may not be that great. But we certainly aren't a team in turmoil to the extent where we should be gift wrapping that type of player.

no chance adding simmons there. he and embiid are untouchable

okafor+PHI17+PHI18+OKC20 and other lower assets like luwawu would be fair value.

[Betta Bulleavit]

No chance Philly offer that.

You're probably right. Hence the reason why we shouldn't really be giving any serious thought to trading Jimmy at this point. There's really no one that would be willing to part with what it SHOULD take to get him.

As a side note though, it should be considered that a player of Butlers caliber could expedite their rebuild given his quality of production and his very reasonable salary. They'd become free agent payers all of a sudden.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Here's a trade that I would do for Butler.

Butler and 2017 first to Philly for Simmons, Okafor and Philly 2017 first.

Yes, I know that sounds ludicrous af and that's because it's supposed to. We shouldn't be taking anything for Butler that doesn't clearly lay a legit foundation for the future. Next year this time might be a different situation. But as of now, Jimmy "statistically" is a top ten guy. We may not be that great. But we certainly aren't a team in turmoil to the extent where we should be gift wrapping that type of player.

no chance adding simmons there. he and embiid are untouchable

okafor+PHI17+PHI18+OKC20 and other lower assets like luwawu would be fair value.

Again, I can respect that. But what you are proposing isn't even close to fair value. Okafor...sure. The 2017 pick. I like. But beyond that, nothing else is worth getting excited about in terms of the other picks because Philly would become so good that most of them would likely be low picks. That's not how you rebuild.

[BigSleep333]

only other posibilities are lal17 or a 3 teamer where we would trade noel and you get the return for him, instead of the future pick...no simmons

both addons feels like massive overpays. i know you guys want to squeeze every drop out of the fruit , but philly is not close to win-now mode. would we, i think it would be possible

[GimmeDat]

Side note - Okafor is a net negative player. Someone I'd take a flyer on, not someone I'd have as a major piece to any return.

[HoopsterJones]

Here's a trade that I would do for Butler.

Butler and 2017 first to Philly for Simmons, Okafor and Philly 2017 first.

Yes, I know that sounds ludicrous af and that's because it's supposed to. We shouldn't be taking anything for Butler that doesn't clearly lay a legit foundation for the future. Next year this time might be a different situation. But as of now, Jimmy "statistically" is a top ten guy. We may not be that great. But we certainly aren't a team in turmoil to the extent where we should be gift wrapping that type of player.

no chance adding simmons there. he and embiid are untouchable

okafor+PHI17+PHI18+OKC20 and other lower assets like luwawu would be fair value.

Again, I can respect that. But what you are proposing isn't even close to fair value. Okafor...sure. The 2017 pick. I like. But beyond that, nothing else is worth getting excited about in terms of the other picks because Philly would become so good that most of them would likely be low picks. That's not how you rebuild.

Lakers top 3 protected pick in this year's draft. Right now it's 7th.

[RedBulls23]

Isn't the trade deadline like a month away?

Could be Bucher just trying to garner hits from a big market.

[DarthDiggler69]

I'd trade Jimmy Butler. Time to cash in.

He's not Michael Jordan. Hell, he's not even Pippen and the Bulls were going to trade Pip to Seattle for Kemp. Do it in the summer though, not now. So we can possibly get Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball for Butler, Niko, McDermott, his mom, Benny the Bull, and our first rounders? I'm in.

It would be a dream to keep Butler and be bad enough to get a top 3 pick without trading though.

Scottie's best season (while Jordan was retired) was 22 pts/ 8.1 r/5.2 ast w/a PER of 23.2 and TS% of .544. Butler is currently doing 25.2 its/6.8 r/4.5 ast w/ a PER of 26.3 and TS$ of .590. Those performances aren't super distinguishable.

Jimmy is no Scottie but he's probably the closest Bulls player to him since. Scottie was just better overall, had better control over the team and was a great leader.

[kulaz3000]

I'd trade Jimmy Butler. Time to cash in.

He's not Michael Jordan. Hell, he's not even Pippen and the Bulls were going to trade Pip to Seattle for Kemp. Do it in the summer though, not now. So we can possibly get Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball for Butler, Niko, McDermott, his mom, Benny the Bull, and our first rounders? I'm in.

It would be a dream to keep Butler and be bad enough to get a top 3 pick without trading though.

Scottie's best season (while Jordan was retired) was 22 pts/ 8.1 r/5.2 ast w/a PER of 23.2 and TS% of .544. Butler is currently doing 25.2 its/6.8 r/4.5 ast w/ a PER of 26.3 and TS$ of .590. Those performances aren't super distinguishable.

Jimmy is no Scottie but he's probably the closest Bulls player to him since. Scottie was just better overall, had better control over the team and was a great leader.

The guy willed an average team almost to the ECF if it wasn't for one of the worst calls in NBA history. Yes, we had Horace and rookie Kukoc but the rest of the player were scrubs. The guy was just a true leader.

There are two things that Jimmy is better than Pippen, scoring and getting to the line, but Pippen has him in every other category.

[JordansBulls]

I'd trade Jimmy Butler. Time to cash in.

He's not Michael Jordan. Hell, he's not even Pippen and the Bulls were going to trade Pip to Seattle for Kemp. Do it in the summer though, not now. So we can possibly get Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball for Butler, Niko, McDermott, his mom, Benny the Bull, and our first rounders? I'm in.

It would be a dream to keep Butler and be bad enough to get a top 3 pick without trading though.

Scottie's best season (while Jordan was retired) was 22 pts/ 8.1 r/5.2 ast w/a PER of 23.2 and TS% of .544. Butler is currently doing 25.2 its/6.8 r/4.5 ast w/ a PER of 26.3 and TS$ of .590. Those performances aren't super distinguishable.

I still take Scottie since he's the best wing defender of all time. Guy like Scottie and now Lebron dont need to score all the time to prove they are one of the best players in the league.

Scottie wasn't even the best defender on the wing on his team unless you are looking from 1996-1998 and even then not much difference between he and MJ on that end.

[JordansBulls]

I'd trade Jimmy Butler. Time to cash in.

He's not Michael Jordan. Hell, he's not even Pippen and the Bulls were going to trade Pip to Seattle for Kemp. Do it in the summer though, not now. So we can possibly get Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball for Butler, Niko, McDermott, his mom, Benny the Bull, and our first rounders? I'm in.

It would be a dream to keep Butler and be bad enough to get a top 3 pick without trading though.

Not to object to what you said, just for sake of it, but lets be real for a moment. If we are looking for a Michael Jordan, Lebron type of player every single season, we would need to go the Sixers route and suck for basically a decade.

We may not even see another MJ or LBJ.

Won't see a MJ that is for sure. Undefeated in series with HCA as the man

[JordansBulls]

What's the point of trading a 27 year old player who plays both ends and clutch and averages 25/7/5 on 46% FG?

[The Box Office]

Butler is not MJ/Pip in terms of leadership. He doesn't inspire his teammates to match his level of play. He doesn't even inspire me to watch him play. I don't see it. We missed the playoffs last season and we have a good chance of missing it again this year with him as the top guy on the team. He's 27 years old. Will be 28 in September.

These are his prime years. I'd trade him if the right package comes along. Also, back in 1994 as a kid, when I heard that Krause wanted to trade Pip for Kemp, I absolutely did not want that to happen.

I know that my opinion is hated, but oh well.

[Alcatraz17]

Jimmy is a top 10 player in the league...and climbing

Jimmy is on a good...soon to be really good..relatively speaking...contract money wise

Jimmy improved his game during a time when their was tension among who was the "goto" guy (Rose, Last year)

Jimmy IS still improving his game in his first year of being 'the guy'

Jimmy probably has another season or two of physical skill improvements before he hits a ceiling. This does not include IQ and feel for the game, ability to make teammates better. That area hasn't even started yet...but it will

Jimmy is 27 freakin years old....

My point....I really hope we DONT TOUCH JIMMMY (see what I did there?)

Siiigh...Im gonna be stressed till Feb 23rd...

[erlim]

I'd trade Jimmy Butler. Time to cash in.

He's not Michael Jordan. Hell, he's not even Pippen and the Bulls were going to trade Pip to Seattle for Kemp. Do it in the summer though, not now. So we can possibly get Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball for Butler, Niko, McDermott, his mom, Benny the Bull, and our first rounders? I'm in.

It would be a dream to keep Butler and be bad enough to get a top 3 pick without trading though.

Scottie's best season (while Jordan was retired) was 22 pts/ 8.1 r/5.2 ast w/a PER of 23.2 and TS% of .544. Butler is currently doing 25.2 its/6.8 r/4.5 ast w/ a PER of 26.3 and TS$ of .590. Those performances aren't super distinguishable.

I still take Scottie since he's the best wing defender of all time. Guy like Scottie and now Lebron dont need to score all the time to prove they are one of the best players in the league.

I don't know how to feel about this.

[JordansBulls]

Butler is not MJ/Pip in terms of leadership. He doesn't inspire his teammates to match his level of play. He doesn't even inspire me to watch him play. I don't see it. We missed the playoffs last season and we have a good chance of missing it again this year with him as the top guy on the team. He's 27 years old. Will be 28 in September.

These are his prime years. I'd trade him if the right package comes along. Also, back in 1994 as a kid, when I heard that Krause wanted to trade Pip for Kemp, I absolutely did not want that to happen.

I know that my opinion is hated, but oh well.

Butler did not win 3 titles in a row with MJ and then was in his prime as well like Pippen was.

[MrSparkle]

Scottie's best season (while Jordan was retired) was 22 pts/ 8.1 r/5.2 ast w/a PER of 23.2 and TS% of .544. Butler is currently doing 25.2 its/6.8 r/4.5 ast w/ a PER of 26.3 and TS$ of .590. Those performances aren't super distinguishable.

I still take Scottie since he's the best wing defender of all time. Guy like Scottie and now Lebron dont need to score all the time to prove they are one of the best players in the league.

I don't know how to feel about this.

Scottie's stats in the final 3 games of the '94 2nd round NYK series (4-3 Knicks):

23 pt / 44% / 4 rb / 4 as / 1 st / 0 bl / 5 TO
13 pt / 31% / 11 rb / 5 as / 4 st / 2 bl / 4 TO
20 pt / 36% / 16 rb / 5 as / 1 st / 1 bl / 3 TO

Should've traded Scottie after that 2nd round disappointment.

Solid but not stellar numbers. I think the block/lock-down department is where Scottie had Jimmy's number. Big time advantage was his wing-span.

Also Pippen just knew how to play within the offense, a lot better. Kind of unfair/premature to judge that though, because "Hoiball" is a laugh compared to Phil and Tex's Triangle.

I always thought Jimmy would look good in the post, against guards (exploiting mis-matches). Post-ups are obviously not on Hoiberg's menu (nor the rest of today's league, to be fair).

Anyway, as we've noticed -- Jimmy is getting a bit of disrespect here and there. No one's rating him as the 2nd coming of Jordan, we're just excited to have a great player on the team, especially since he was manufactured out of a 30th pick and resigned at the cheaper pre-CBA max.

I don't blame Chicago for "testing the market". But come on -- try to top the Harden or Melo trades. Those were "treasure-chest" trades and both OKC/DEN lost those trades.

Avery Bradley quickly becomes the Kevin Martin of the deal (injury prone, aging small guard who's never made an allstar game, expiring and probably looking for a winning situation or a big pay day next summer). Jaylen Brown is a total project pick. There's really nothing there other than the top-3 BRK pick. You simply have to make that deal knowing what BRK's projected win total will be. If it's deadline day and they make roster upgrades (who knows -- Brook Lopez can be traded for faster, hungrier players) and they push that pick to #6-9, then you're looking really stupid unless you strike luck with the next Lillard or Curry.

I basically expect Grayson Allen to end up in a Bulls jersey. #5 as an ode to Pax.

I still don't get it. Even if they whiff in free agency this summer, then you're still rolling with $60m+ in cap space in summer of 2018.

You can tank with jimmy on the roster. Just keep playing Bobby Portis. That's my 1 really solid take away from this season, besides for the fact that Jimmy is a baller and Fred's a struggling coach.

[HomoSapien]

The chances of getting someone better than Butler are insanely slim. Even if you do find a great prospect, most of them will take 2-3 years to develop. Butler is still only 27, and is going to be an impact player for a long time. Can you imagine what a disaster it would've been if the Celtics prematurely gave up on Paul Pierce for a rebuild?