Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[Ccwatercraft]

What about this, in order to get a better bench:

.Jabari to Jazz for Favors (C) and G.Niang (SF) (they free up space and one SF. They got like 3 more)

.Blakeney to OKC for N.Noel (PF) (OKC needs shooters)

.RoLo and 2nd round pick to MAVS for D.Powell (PF) and DSJ. (They free up space for next year)


WCJ/Favors/Shrek
Lauri/Portis/D.Powell/N.Noel
Hutch/Niang/Selden jr
Zach/Harrison/Alkins
Dunn/DSJ/Arci

We may even send Portis to a contender for a SF and pick.

you really think that dallas would trade dsj and powell for cap space? i think that's a pipe dream, especially smith he's a good player that still has time on a rookie deal and powell isn't terrible, IMO they could do much much better than a bag of chips.

Well it's quite a lot of money and they don't have a back up C right now. They can use RoLo now. Maybe we could include another player.

sorry, just not seeing it, we're literally throwing an average (at best) expiring player at them for two young players that are more talented on pretty much every level. They can do a hell of a lot better if they really wanted to move Smith Jr. I can't see them thinking that having rolo as a backup C is better than losing a starting Guard in smith.

[sco]

Starting to see more chatter on what the Wizards might want for Beal. They seem to want 2 1sts, a player+. Would anyone from their armchair POV offer Zach as the centerpiece plus one 1st and other pieces?

Read on Twitter

LaVine has very similar offensive stats and advanced stats to Beal this year and also last year (when Beal was an All Star). TS%, TRB%, AST%, USG% are very close. LaVine is more turnover prone and his contribution to winning is inferior (OffRtg of 102 vs. 110). While intuitively you would think that Beal is a better defender, numbers suggests that Beal's defensive efficiency is overrated and similar to worse than Zach's, + block/steals numbers are similar. Obviously both offensive and defensive efficiency numbers depend on the people around you, and it's hard to contest that Beal has had a better "supporting cast" than Zach (or at least with more NBA experience).
Bottom line, I don't think I'd trade Zach for Beal as Zach is younger and has shown signs of improving efficiency this season, while Beal is pretty much stagnating.

I would consider Beal for Zach straight-up, but not interested if it costs a 1st.

[sh0ck]

I got a crazy idea

Trade Zach LaVine for Jimmy Butler. Then use Jimmy to lure a big free agent next year (while maxing him out after securing a second star).

Carter/Lauri are the perfect big men next to Jimmy. And they would probably be able to fill the roster with more 3-n-D players around him.

[WindyCityBorn]

I got a crazy idea

Trade Zach LaVine for Jimmy Butler. Then use Jimmy to lure a big free agent next year (while maxing him out after securing a second star).

Carter/Lauri are the perfect big men next to Jimmy. And they would probably be able to fill the roster with more 3-n-D players around him.

You are right that is crazy. Keep the cancer away from this team.

[dpucane]

I got a crazy idea

Trade Zach LaVine for Jimmy Butler. Then use Jimmy to lure a big free agent next year (while maxing him out after securing a second star).

Carter/Lauri are the perfect big men next to Jimmy. And they would probably be able to fill the roster with more 3-n-D players around him.

Nephew.

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[gobullschi]

Bulls:
Brandon Knight
1st Round Pick (BKN) top 10 protected

Nets:
Jabari Parker
2 2nd Round Picks (MEM)
1st Round Pick (HOU) top 20 protected

Rockets:
DeMarre Carroll
Bobby Portis

[dpucane]

Wiretap says Cha wants to dump Batum. Adding Kaminsky isn't gonna get that bad contract off the books. I wonder if we could use Jabari to offload Shrek's deal to offset some of that Batum contract ($27M for next 2 seasons). Obviously not enough, but add in their 1st this season and Bridges and I'd be happy.

Bridges would be my goal.

Parker + Portis + brooks + 2 seconds for batum and bridges I’ll be down for.

Same I'd be willing to give up the farm for a guy like Bridges. You can figure out what to do with Batum later.

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[sco]

What about this deal with Wizards (if they are tanking)

Porter/Mahinmi for Parker/RoLo/Felicio/Hutch/2 Second-Rounders

[sco]

Thinking about AD a little more, I'm not sold on Lauri as a future HOF'er and I'm not in love with our chances of getting our #1 stud in this draft. What about Lauri/our #1 (would love top 3 protected - but would accept unprotected)/Rolo/Felicio for AD?

With Dunn, Lavine, TBD, AD, WCJ you don't need to lure a #1 option SF to contend, you could get by with a solid 3-D guy (i.e. Ariza), which is gettable in FA, IMO. But that said, we'd become attractive to FA's to be that final piece too.

[KirkHinrich]

A possible Lopez trade was talked about in the John Paxson thread. Detroit is looking to upgrade at backup C and get off some salary.

Leuer, Khyri Thomas, Protected 1st for Lopez

Gets us a backup PG project and another pick for taking on salary. They should 100% be trying to take on salary with Lopez to maximize the return back.

[DanTown8587]

To Chicago
C Ian Mahimni
F Solomon Hill
F Wes Johnson
F Darius Miller
PG Frank Jackson

To Washington
SF Jabari Parker
C Robin Lopez
SG Denzel Valentine

To New Orleans
SF Otto Porter Jr
SG Antonio Blakeney
G/F Wayne Selden (would be a separate trade for the rights to Latavious Williams for one of the Pelicans TPE)

Why for the Bulls: They take on more 2019 salary in Mahimni and Hill but get to shed the Felicio deal. Sets them up in that 2020 summer to be 2019 + 2020 firsts, Lavine, Lauri, Dunn, Carter. That's two maxes if you either let Dunn go or one + another solid rotation guy if you keep him.

Why for Washington: They save a TON of money. They go from over the tax to fairly safely under (which allows them to try and sign a few developmental guys as the season starts to wind down) as well as cutting down their cap in 2019 by 31 million while still picking up a potentially useful guard in Valentine.

Why for New Orleans: They trade a bunch of non-producing wings out and get back Porter, a guy who can potentially help them keep Davis. Money gets a little tight to keep Porter around next year but you have to try and keep a guy like Davis. Worse case you trade Davis and you just ride out Porter.

[dumbell78]

I would entertain taking on that Parsons contract + sweetener for Felicio and Jabari. Sure we add a huge salary but he's off the books after next year. We shed Felicio moving forward and can have serious CAP space summer of 2020. I doubt we are signing anyone this coming summer.

[RakimAbdulJabar]

LaVine, Valentine and Felicio to Sixers for Butler and Fultz

Have to be done as separate deals but the numbers work

Sixers get a scorer/shooter to replace an unhappy Butler and the mistake of Fultz

Then Portis, Lopez & Hutchison to the Pelicans for Mirotic, Moore & Okafor

Brooks back to Memphis for Noah

Finally Parker and a 2nd round pick via Memphis to the Wolves for Deng, Gibson and Rose



Markkanen/Noah
Carter Jr/Gibson
Mirotic/Deng
Butler/Moore
Dunn/Rose

Sign Boozer, Nocioni, Brewer, Lucas III and Mike James

Trade Okafor, Fultz, Selden, Blakeney, Arcidiacono, Harrison & Alkins for anything

Fire Boylen and re-hire Thibs

Championship!

[NecessaryEvil]

Thinking about AD a little more, I'm not sold on Lauri as a future HOF'er and I'm not in love with our chances of getting our #1 stud in this draft. What about Lauri/our #1 (would love top 3 protected - but would accept unprotected)/Rolo/Felicio for AD?

With Dunn, Lavine, TBD, AD, WCJ you don't need to lure a #1 option SF to contend, you could get by with a solid 3-D guy (i.e. Ariza), which is gettable in FA, IMO. But that said, we'd become attractive to FA's to be that final piece too.

Im definitely all aboard the Lauri for AD train.

[Domejandro]

I posted this over on the Trade Board, I was wondering what you guys think of it. Swap of dead-salary for bloated, functional salary, whilst picking up a First Round Draft Pick.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1788265

Would be completed on January 11th.

CHI: Gorgui Dieng, Jerryd Bayless, and Minnesota's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*
OUT: Robin Lopez, Cristiano Felício, and Detroit's 2022 Second Round Draft Pick

Why for Chicago? Gain a First Round Draft Pick at the cost of taking on Gorgui Dieng's seven million dollars per year (comparative to Cristiano Felício's salary). Gorgui Dieng would effectively eat up Robin Lopez's minutes, making his salary active, compared to Cristino's dead salary. Gorgui also plays oddly well with Zach LaVine in Pick-and-Roll Action, but I am not educated enough on the current Bulls' offense to know if that little factoid would even be interesting or not.

MIN: Robin Lopez and Zach Randolph
OUT: Gorgui Dieng, Jerryd Bayless, Minnesota's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*, and Minnesota's 2022 Second Round Draft Pick**

Why for Minnesota? Completely eliminate Gorgui Dieng's salary over the next three years at the cost of a First Round Draft Pick and Second Round Draft Pick, without completely losing Gorgui's productivity on the court. Pretty self-explanatory.

SAC: Cristiano Felício, Detroit's 2022 Second Round Draft Pick, and Minnesota's 2022 Second Round Draft Pick**
OUT: Zach Randolph

Why for Sacramento? Open up just over three million dollars of cap-space this year for substantially more flexibility in follow up trades (would put them at fourteen million dollars of open space), while being compensated with two solid Second Round Draft Picks for taking on Cristiano Felício's two extra years of dead salary.

*Lottery Protected through 2023, if never conveying becomes two Second Round Draft Picks in 2023 and 2024.
**Sacramento would receive the best Second Round Draft Pick between Denver, Philadelphia, and Minnesota.

[ThreeMileAllan]

LaVine, Valentine and Felicio to Sixers for Butler and Fultz

Have to be done as separate deals but the numbers work

Sixers get a scorer/shooter to replace an unhappy Butler and the mistake of Fultz

Then Portis, Lopez & Hutchison to the Pelicans for Mirotic, Moore & Okafor

Brooks back to Memphis for Noah

Finally Parker and a 2nd round pick via Memphis to the Wolves for Deng, Gibson and Rose



Markkanen/Noah
Carter Jr/Gibson
Mirotic/Deng
Butler/Moore
Dunn/Rose

Sign Boozer, Nocioni, Brewer, Lucas III and Mike James

Trade Okafor, Fultz, Selden, Blakeney, Arcidiacono, Harrison & Alkins for anything

Fire Boylen and re-hire Thibs

Championship!

this would make me so happy. so so so happy. i would ride or die with that team until the end.

too bad it will never ever ever happen.

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[sco]

I posted this over on the Trade Board, I was wondering what you guys think of it. Swap of dead-salary for bloated, functional salary, whilst picking up a First Round Draft Pick.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1788265

Would be completed on January 11th.

CHI: Gorgui Dieng, Jerryd Bayless, and Minnesota's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*
OUT: Robin Lopez, Cristiano Felício, and Detroit's 2022 Second Round Draft Pick

Why for Chicago? Gain a First Round Draft Pick at the cost of taking on Gorgui Dieng's seven million dollars per year (comparative to Cristiano Felício's salary). Gorgui Dieng would effectively eat up Robin Lopez's minutes, making his salary active, compared to Cristino's dead salary. Gorgui also plays oddly well with Zach LaVine in Pick-and-Roll Action, but I am not educated enough on the current Bulls' offense to know if that little factoid would even be interesting or not.

MIN: Robin Lopez and Zach Randolph
OUT: Gorgui Dieng, Jerryd Bayless, Minnesota's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*, and Minnesota's 2022 Second Round Draft Pick**

Why for Minnesota? Completely eliminate Gorgui Dieng's salary over the next three years at the cost of a First Round Draft Pick and Second Round Draft Pick, without completely losing Gorgui's productivity on the court. Pretty self-explanatory.

SAC: Cristiano Felício, Detroit's 2022 Second Round Draft Pick, and Minnesota's 2022 Second Round Draft Pick**
OUT: Zach Randolph

Why for Sacramento? Open up just over three million dollars of cap-space this year for substantially more flexibility in follow up trades (would put them at fourteen million dollars of open space), while being compensated with two solid Second Round Draft Picks for taking on Cristiano Felício's two extra years of dead salary.

*Lottery Protected through 2023, if never conveying becomes two Second Round Draft Picks in 2023 and 2024.
**Sacramento would receive the best Second Round Draft Pick between Denver, Philadelphia, and Minnesota.

I'd do it. Essentially brings in our future back-up C for a net $10M per season for next 2 seasons and a decent shot at a pick.

[sco]

I'm getting fixated on trading Bobby (or Lauri) on the off chance we can land Zion (sure not a given, but fun to think about).

What about trading Portis to Houston for Chriss and their 1st?

Or, Portis, Felicio, Parker to Orlando for Isaac, Ross and Mozgov?

Or, Portis, Felicio, Parker to Atlanta for Prince, Bazemore and Plumlee?

[MrSparkle]

Thinking about AD a little more, I'm not sold on Lauri as a future HOF'er and I'm not in love with our chances of getting our #1 stud in this draft. What about Lauri/our #1 (would love top 3 protected - but would accept unprotected)/Rolo/Felicio for AD?

With Dunn, Lavine, TBD, AD, WCJ you don't need to lure a #1 option SF to contend, you could get by with a solid 3-D guy (i.e. Ariza), which is gettable in FA, IMO. But that said, we'd become attractive to FA's to be that final piece too.

Well while we’re dreaming...

Lauri, Jabari, Dunn, 1st (unprotected) for Davis, Moore

Resign Bobby to $55/4
Sign Kawhi to max
Sign D. Rose to $40/3

Rose Shaq Arci
Zach Moore Blakeney
Kawhi Hutch Val
Davis Portis
Carter Felicio

[Nate3carp]

Thinking about AD a little more, I'm not sold on Lauri as a future HOF'er and I'm not in love with our chances of getting our #1 stud in this draft. What about Lauri/our #1 (would love top 3 protected - but would accept unprotected)/Rolo/Felicio for AD?

With Dunn, Lavine, TBD, AD, WCJ you don't need to lure a #1 option SF to contend, you could get by with a solid 3-D guy (i.e. Ariza), which is gettable in FA, IMO. But that said, we'd become attractive to FA's to be that final piece too.

Well while we’re dreaming...

Lauri, Jabari, Dunn, 1st (unprotected) for Davis, Moore

Resign Bobby to $55/4
Sign Kawhi to max
Sign D. Rose to $40/3

Rose Shaq Arci
Zach Moore Blakeney
Kawhi Hutch Val
Davis Portis
Carter Felicio

We don’t remotely enough cap space to do that. After that trade, and renouncing everyone except Bobby, there’s not even close to enough for a max. Like, we’re still like $12 million short of Kawhi’s max.