NBA Trade Thread # 3

[MalagaBulls]

1. Use existing assets plus capspace to trade for a star
2. Trade for a guy where a team is having financial trouble or needs capspace
3. Just give it to vet fillers in short term deals to have space again the following season

Signing crappy players to huge contracts ends up hurting the team in the long term. If this team is going to improve, its going to be via trade.

1. Who?
2. Who?
3. The following season for who?

In the past three years, the following stars have changed teams: Kawhi x2, Lebron, AD, Butler x2, Durant, Kyrie, Harden

Top level players changing teams is so common now you can basically expect it. Who is next, I don't know but the fact that several will is almost undeniable. IMO, the Bulls need to put themselves in a position to be on the receiving end of one of those transactions. You do that by:
- Being competitive enough to be attractive to the player
- Not giving away picks cheaply and drafting well
- Not having long term badly overpaid people on the roster that act like salary roadblocks

Fish, what´s your opinion of John Collins? His D has improved quite a bit this year and he has some good Drtg numbers with Capela.

[coldfish]

1. Who?
2. Who?
3. The following season for who?

In the past three years, the following stars have changed teams: Kawhi x2, Lebron, AD, Butler x2, Durant, Kyrie, Harden

Top level players changing teams is so common now you can basically expect it. Who is next, I don't know but the fact that several will is almost undeniable. IMO, the Bulls need to put themselves in a position to be on the receiving end of one of those transactions. You do that by:
- Being competitive enough to be attractive to the player
- Not giving away picks cheaply and drafting well
- Not having long term badly overpaid people on the roster that act like salary roadblocks

Fish, what´s your opinion of John Collins? His D has improved quite a bit this year and he has some good Drtg numbers with Capela.

I think he is fine but he is in the category of players who get massively overpaid for how much they move the needle. Personally, I think that he will get a max offer and Atlanta will match while trying to dump some other bad contracts.

I really don't think a Lavine / Collins duo is a title contender and with both of them at their maxes, you wouldn't have a stellar team around them.

[gobullschi]

Please stop with this nonsense, the proven and still improving commodity in LaVine over the unproven kid who already called out his superior teammates for not giving him more shots in his first playoff series despite being a no defense playing blackhole.

Just stop.

all true, but half of the Nba world have Porter as new Kd and future best scorer in the league, while they see Zach as third option on contender. From my knowledge that is how they are percieved around Nba.

You don't have knowledge of how they are perceived, you're literally pulling things out of thin air.

No dude. He has heard from his sources, GMs, scouts, and multiple reports.

[gobullschi]

1. Use existing assets plus capspace to trade for a star
2. Trade for a guy where a team is having financial trouble or needs capspace
3. Just give it to vet fillers in short term deals to have space again the following season

Signing crappy players to huge contracts ends up hurting the team in the long term. If this team is going to improve, its going to be via trade.

1. Who?
2. Who?
3. The following season for who?

In the past three years, the following stars have changed teams: Kawhi x2, Lebron, AD, Butler x2, Durant, Kyrie, Harden

Top level players changing teams is so common now you can basically expect it. Who is next, I don't know but the fact that several will is almost undeniable. IMO, the Bulls need to put themselves in a position to be on the receiving end of one of those transactions. You do that by:
- Being competitive enough to be attractive to the player
- Not giving away picks cheaply and drafting well
- Not having long term badly overpaid people on the roster that act like salary roadblocks

Your logic is on point but it’s very simple to speak in these general terms. There are HUGE franchise altering decisions coming due like Lauri’s extension and all the cap space this offseason. Your not outlining some realistic scenarios/possibilities.

When an all-star does become available do you really think the Bulls have the assets to get them? It’s going to be difficult to compete with New Orleans, who has a young roster and a ton of draft picks.

[WYO]

1. Use existing assets plus capspace to trade for a star
2. Trade for a guy where a team is having financial trouble or needs capspace
3. Just give it to vet fillers in short term deals to have space again the following season

Signing crappy players to huge contracts ends up hurting the team in the long term. If this team is going to improve, its going to be via trade.

1. Who?
2. Who?
3. The following season for who?

In the past three years, the following stars have changed teams: Kawhi x2, Lebron, AD, Butler x2, Durant, Kyrie, Harden

Top level players changing teams is so common now you can basically expect it. Who is next, I don't know but the fact that several will is almost undeniable. IMO, the Bulls need to put themselves in a position to be on the receiving end of one of those transactions. You do that by:
- Being competitive enough to be attractive to the player
- Not giving away picks cheaply and drafting well
- Not having long term badly overpaid people on the roster that act like salary roadblocks

This is the way to go. I wonder if punting OPJ's big contract a year down the road by taking on Griffin's contract and assets will be a possibility. Having a big expiring contract can be useful in case a big money player becomes available.

[ChettheJet]

Fish, what´s your opinion of John Collins? His D has improved quite a bit this year and he has some good Drtg numbers with Capela.

I think he is fine but he is in the category of players who get massively overpaid for how much they move the needle. Personally, I think that he will get a max offer and Atlanta will match while trying to dump some other bad contracts.

I really don't think a Lavine / Collins duo is a title contender and with both of them at their maxes, you wouldn't have a stellar team around them.

First, I don't know how anyone gauges how Collins has improved on defense any more than people want to say Zach has improved on defense. It's not about how many points his opposite number scores, or steals, it comes down to is the team defense better because either isn't a weak link and unless you're sitting next to the coaches breaking down film, it's just propaganda.

I'd pay Collins not to claim he and Lavine are some dynamic duo but a front court for the next 4-5 years of Williams and Collins would make things happen. They could both run and play in the half court inside and out. that helps Carter stay inside the arc and be a defender. Lavine and White in the back court would provide a balanced scoring threat.

I'd leave matching an offer to Collins to ATL and of they want to pay him then I'd go back to them and see about trading for some or all of Huerter, Hunter and Reddish who they no longer can afford since the have previously added Bogdan, Gallanari and Dunn.

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[joncoker22]

What about Hutchison, Gafford, Arcidiacono and the Bulls first round pick (top 3 protected) for Mo Bamba and Orlando's second round pick? I really like Bamba's potential and he would fill the huge void for backup center. I think he is an eventual starter and only 22 years old.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

all true, but half of the Nba world have Porter as new Kd and future best scorer in the league, while they see Zach as third option on contender. From my knowledge that is how they are percieved around Nba.

You don't have knowledge of how they are perceived, you're literally pulling things out of thin air.

No dude. He has heard from his sources, GMs, scouts, and multiple reports.

it is not my sources just listen to low post podcast, hoops collective podcast, ringer, athlethics, woj, gm surveys. Those dudes talk tp gm-s and nba personell. According to the most dellusional people here Zach already won scoring title won championship ,was all first team multiple times. I am routing for Zach but he never was all star and in playoffs, and he is already 25-26 yo. You all need realitty check. He was locked down by Bucks,Celtics and in second game against Laker and Clippers. If you think that Zach and current Bulls team have made respect in Nba you are dead wrong.

[MGB8]

What about Hutchison and the Bulls first round pick (top 3 protected) for Mo Bamba? I really like Bamba's potential and he would fill the huge void for backup center. I think he is an eventual starter and only 22 years old.

Way too much to give up for Bamba, who also doesn't have much time left on his rookie deal, and hasn't shown that much other than "flashes." Look at what Noel is playing for right now.

[Andi Obst]

What about Hutchison and the Bulls first round pick (top 3 protected) for Mo Bamba? I really like Bamba's potential and he would fill the huge void for backup center. I think he is an eventual starter and only 22 years old.

The Magic FO won’t be able to accept that deal because they assume it has to be a prank call.

[joncoker22]

What about Hutchison and the Bulls first round pick (top 3 protected) for Mo Bamba? I really like Bamba's potential and he would fill the huge void for backup center. I think he is an eventual starter and only 22 years old.

Way too much to give up for Bamba, who also doesn't have much time left on his rookie deal, and hasn't shown that much other than "flashes." Look at what Noel is playing for right now.

I think Bamba has a lot more offensive potential than Noel. He has had some injuries and then covid related problems this year. A change of scenery would help him. When he played the Bulls this year he had a very good forth quarter (14 points on 7/8, 7 boards and 3 blocks in 12 minutes) was fluid and had a good shooting touch. Granted his FT% is only 60 so that is a concern.

[joncoker22]

What about Hutchison and the Bulls first round pick (top 3 protected) for Mo Bamba? I really like Bamba's potential and he would fill the huge void for backup center. I think he is an eventual starter and only 22 years old.

The Magic FO won’t be able to accept that deal because they assume it has to be a prank call.

I think the Bulls pick will be 15-17 and I don't see anyone with Bamba's potential in that range.

[sco]

What about Hutchison and the Bulls first round pick (top 3 protected) for Mo Bamba? I really like Bamba's potential and he would fill the huge void for backup center. I think he is an eventual starter and only 22 years old.

Way too much to give up for Bamba, who also doesn't have much time left on his rookie deal, and hasn't shown that much other than "flashes." Look at what Noel is playing for right now.

I think Bamba has a lot more offensive potential than Noel. He has had some injuries and then covid related problems this year. A change of scenery would help him.

I would love Bamba...think he is/will continue to be better than Carter, but I think ORL might be more receptive to a deal centered around getting Gordon off their books. For example, if we can show proof of life, maybe Lauri/Otto for Gordon/Aminu/Bamba could garner interest. If Fournier isn't in their plans, he'd be a guy I would be targeting in FA anyway. I'd be happy to throw Valentine and Carter into the earlier deal to include Fournier.

[MGB8]

What about Hutchison and the Bulls first round pick (top 3 protected) for Mo Bamba? I really like Bamba's potential and he would fill the huge void for backup center. I think he is an eventual starter and only 22 years old.

The Magic FO won’t be able to accept that deal because they assume it has to be a prank call.

I think the Bulls pick will be 15-17 and I don't see anyone with Bamba's potential in that range.

I think the Bulls will have a lotto pick absent a big trade to add talent (and adding Bamba wouldn't do that). But I wouldn't even trade a 15-17 pick for a year and half trial run of Mo Bamba. Center is the easiest position to "stock" in the NBA with passable talent, and the upcoming draft is deep.

Not to mention that the Bulls already have Carter Jr. (despite his limitations) and I think that if the Bulls want to maximize Lauri, that will be as a small-ball 5.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Would you guys consider a trade centred around Powell and Boucher with FRPs involved (the amount and protections can be discussed) for Zach Lavine?

Don't know if the Bulls consider Zach a part of the future given he's going to be entering his prime years during the Bulls rebuilding years

[joncoker22]

The Magic FO won’t be able to accept that deal because they assume it has to be a prank call.

I think the Bulls pick will be 15-17 and I don't see anyone with Bamba's potential in that range.

I think the Bulls will have a lotto pick absent a big trade to add talent (and adding Bamba wouldn't do that). But I wouldn't even trade a 15-17 pick for a year and half trial run of Mo Bamba. Center is the easiest position to "stock" in the NBA with passable talent, and the upcoming draft is deep.

Good point. We could wait for the upcoming free agent market for a backup big. I like Richaun Holmes from Sacramento a lot. He will be unrestricted.

[chefo]

I really don't get why people are lusting over Collins so much. Dude is Thad-sized, and just like Thad, he's probably 6'8 and change with shoes AND hair included. In other words, they're 6'7.5 on a good day. He's mostly a very small rim-running big with short wingspan who can't play 3, or 5 because it becomes a layup line. He's had an elite playmaker spoon-feed him open 3s and layups/dunks his entire post-rookie career.

He has a very valuable skill--he moves well off ball so the ball finds its way to him--but he's nowhere near good enough to be a first banana, or even a second banana that has to score a ton on his own, sans being set up for easy dunks. If you hate the idea of Lauri at 20M per, you'll be burning Collins voodoo dolls 3 months into his stint here at the rookie max.

[gobullschi]

You don't have knowledge of how they are perceived, you're literally pulling things out of thin air.

No dude. He has heard from his sources, GMs, scouts, and multiple reports.

it is not my sources just listen to low post podcast, hoops collective podcast, ringer, athlethics, woj, gm surveys. Those dudes talk tp gm-s and nba personell. According to the most dellusional people here Zach already won scoring title won championship ,was all first team multiple times. I am routing for Zach but he never was all star and in playoffs, and he is already 25-26 yo. You all need realitty check. He was locked down by Bucks,Celtics and in second game against Laker and Clippers. If you think that Zach and current Bulls team have made respect in Nba you are dead wrong.

Until you post links, quotes, or any of the surveys you constantly reference - you have 0 credibility. I’ve asked you multiple times for this info and you continually ignore. Al your arguments against Zach are VERY weak.

You have guys like Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, Gilbert Arenas, & Bradley Beal all saying how incredibly talented Zach LaVine is. You act like 25-26 is old. That’s young AF for a guy scoring 28 PPG.

Jamaal Murray scored 8 points against Cleveland. I guess he sucks now. Guys have bad games. It’s a long season.