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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#481 » by jnrjr79 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:51 pm

panthermark wrote:How the hell does Thomas Brown not get an in person interview?

Well, I guess Vrabel didn't get one and he was available starting December 31st. Carrol didn't get one and we was available any time.

But Rivera and McCarthy will get them?

https://beargoggleson.com/bears-recent-head-coach-interview-failure-thomas-brown-slap-in-the-face-01jhk1zq6hr5

I was reading this article and had almost the same thoughts word for word as what was written.
This is just one more hilarious example of incompetence. It is yet one more piece of evidence that the Bears do not know how to run things properly and why the organization has been behind the 8-ball for years now.

There's a reason other organizations, fans and media laugh at the Bears. In fact, there are several reasons. This is just one more added to the list.

They can't even go through a standard interview process in correct fashion.


Brown has reportedly already gone back to his home in Charlotte. He may not have been too fired up to fly back to Chicago to interview for a job he knows he's not going to get. And, cynically, because he's an internal candidate, he doesn't count toward Rooney Rule compliance, so the Bears might not have been all that interested in flying him in, either.

Rivera was almost certainly brought in for Rooney Rule compliance, since virtual interviews don't count.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#482 » by panthermark » Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:07 pm

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but as we don't really know one way or the other what's going on, why pass judgement on it?

We do know that they didn't interview Kevin O'Connell, and had basically pre-selected Flus.
We do know that they have sucked at hiring coaches for a long time.
We do know that they like to do things their own way, without much success.


I specifically typed "FEELS"...twice.
That isn't passing judgement, that is stating my opinion on how it feels.

They could be nailing the process behind closed doors, but their history says otherwise.


This is Poles's 2nd hire (with the first having been made off a pre-selected menu) and Warren's first. I don't really think "their history" has much to do with the current search, absent some indication McCaskey is directing things.

This is not to say I trust Warren and Poles to get it right - just that we're in mostly unknown territory here.

Fair enough, but given the hiring of Getsy and Waldron, along with the bungled firing of Flus...they are not off to a great start.
If they get it right in the end, that is all that matters...but something something...purely by happenstance.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#483 » by fleet » Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:36 pm

The Bears may abandon their procedural process if the Saints press McCarthy is my guess as well. If, the Bears hand is weak with BJ against the Raiders and Jags. I guess I would not have a lot of problem with it if nothing could be done on BJ, but the hand they play with BJ could be much weaker than it had to be. If the Bears do not focus on hiring BJ, and instead insisted on holding a weaker hand just because they would rather retain their way of doing things, they are Bearsing it.
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Post#486 » by patryk7754 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:01 pm

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Post#487 » by patryk7754 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:02 pm

I believe McCarthy can be hired at anytime. Assuming the hiring fulfilled their Rooney rule obligations. Which doesn’t bode well for someone who wants Ben Johnson
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Post#488 » by nomorezorro » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:07 pm

fleet wrote:The Bears may abandon their procedural process if the Saints press McCarthy is my guess as well. If, the Bears hand is weak with BJ against the Raiders and Jags. I guess I would not have a lot of problem with it if nothing could be done on BJ, but the hand they play with BJ could be much weaker than it had to be. If the Bears do not focus on hiring BJ, and instead insisted on holding a weaker hand just because they would rather retain their way of doing things, they are Bearsing it.


yeah man i agree it would be bad if the bears did that bad stuff you just imagined.

patryk7754 wrote:I believe McCarthy can be hired at anytime. Assuming the hiring fulfilled their Rooney rule obligations. Which doesn’t bode well for someone who wants Ben Johnson


why would this not bode well for someone who wants ben johnson.
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Post#489 » by TheGOATRises007 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:08 pm

I don't want McCarthy at all.

Like at all.
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Post#490 » by patryk7754 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:14 pm

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fleet wrote:The Bears may abandon their procedural process if the Saints press McCarthy is my guess as well. If, the Bears hand is weak with BJ against the Raiders and Jags. I guess I would not have a lot of problem with it if nothing could be done on BJ, but the hand they play with BJ could be much weaker than it had to be. If the Bears do not focus on hiring BJ, and instead insisted on holding a weaker hand just because they would rather retain their way of doing things, they are Bearsing it.


yeah man i agree it would be bad if the bears did that bad stuff you just imagined.

patryk7754 wrote:I believe McCarthy can be hired at anytime. Assuming the hiring fulfilled their Rooney rule obligations. Which doesn’t bode well for someone who wants Ben Johnson


why would this not bode well for someone who wants ben johnson.

Becuase they can hire him right now before Johnson has an opportunity to do an in person interview
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#491 » by panthermark » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:15 pm

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That tweet has two QB's, two WR's, a TE/WR, and a RB.

They represent the #2, #6, #12, #13, #23, and #125 pick in the draft.

Bears took a QB #1 and a WR #9, neither are in that tweet. That is a bit of a bummer. Hopefully they bounce back next year.
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Post#492 » by nomorezorro » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:17 pm

it would be bad news for ben johnson fans if they decided to hire mike mccarthy before ben johnson has an opportunity to do an in-person interview. (but if they do that, it seems like mike mccarthy is probably their favored candidate, or they have reason to believe they are unlikely to hire ben johnson.)

the fact that they can hire mccarthy before johnson is not in and of itself bad news for someone who wants ben johnson, because there's no reason to believe they'd rush to hire someone who's not their top candidate. they could also hire pete carroll or ron rivera or a bunch of other guys right now. until there's any reason to believe otherwise, it seems sensible to assume the bears will not make their decision simply based on who they can hire the earliest.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#493 » by fleet » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:18 pm

Dan Graziano: It’ll be Flores based on NFL people’s predictions

"The Bears' list of candidates is massive, and Flores still hasn't been allowed to interview with Chicago because Minnesota made the playoffs. But this is the name that comes up the most when I ask people around the NFL to make a prediction. Flores led the No. 5 scoring defense (19.5 points allowed per game), and the Vikings finished tied for fourth in sacks with 49...

"There are hurdles for Flores -- who appears to be a strong candidate for the Jets job, as well -- to clear before any team can hire him. That's especially true in Chicago; there will be questions about his past relationship with quarterback Tua Tagovailoa in Miami as the Bears evaluate him as a candidate to shepherd Caleb Williams' development. But by all accounts, it sounds like Flores has made a very different impression on people in Minnesota than he did in
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#494 » by fleet » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:35 pm

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Post#495 » by Jeffster81 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:46 am

fleet wrote:Dan Graziano: It’ll be Flores based on NFL people’s predictions

"The Bears' list of candidates is massive, and Flores still hasn't been allowed to interview with Chicago because Minnesota made the playoffs. But this is the name that comes up the most when I ask people around the NFL to make a prediction. Flores led the No. 5 scoring defense (19.5 points allowed per game), and the Vikings finished tied for fourth in sacks with 49...

"There are hurdles for Flores -- who appears to be a strong candidate for the Jets job, as well -- to clear before any team can hire him. That's especially true in Chicago; there will be questions about his past relationship with quarterback Tua Tagovailoa in Miami as the Bears evaluate him as a candidate to shepherd Caleb Williams' development. But by all accounts, it sounds like Flores has made a very different impression on people in Minnesota than he did in


As much as I don't want McCarthy, I want Flores less. Given the pattern of the HC hiring process they are more likely hire an offensive not defensive.
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Post#496 » by patryk7754 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:33 am

Coaching:
Ben Johnson: HC
Robert Saleh: DC
Will Harriger: OC
John Fassell: ST

Cuts
Walker: Saves 5.25m
Everett: Saves: 5.48m

Trades
Edmonds to the Patriots for 3rd round pick (saves 15m according to spotrac)
Braxton Jones to the Cheifs for 3rd round pick (saves 1.1m)

Cap Space: 100.8m

Resignings
Matt Pryor, OG/OT: 1.255m
Pat Scales, LS: 1.255m
Travis Homer, RB/ST: 1.17m
Amen Ogbongbemiga, LB/ST: 1.17m
Jaylon Jones, DB: 1.1m
Jack Sanborn, LB: 1.1m
Josh Blackwell, DB: 1.1m
Doug Kramer, C: 1.1m
Chris Williams, DT: 1.1m
Daniel Hardy, DE: 1.03m

Cap Space: 88.5m

Free Agency:
Trey Smith, OG: 5/100m
Dre Greenlaw, ILB: 1/12m
Charvarius Ward, CB: 2/24m
Khalil Mack, DE: 1/10m
Ryan Kelly, OC: 3/27m
Tim Patrick, WR: 3/15m
Poona Ford, DT: 2/8m
Kevin Zeitler, OG: 1/4m
Dan Skipper, OT: 2/6m
Teddy Bridgewater, QB: 1/3m
LeRaven Clark, OT: 1/1.255m
Solomon Thomas, DE: 1/1.255m
Jeff Wilson, RB: 1/1.255m
Mo Alie-Cox, TE: 1/1.255m
Irv Smith, TE: 1/1.1255m
Cody Ford, OG/OT: 1.17m
Rondale Moore, WR/KR/PR: 1.17m

Remaining Cap: 14m

Draft:
RD1: Josh Simmons, LT
RD2: Jack Sawyer, DE
RD2: J.T. Tuimoloau, DE
RD3: Jake Majors, C
RD3: Tj Saunders, DT
RD3: Xavier Watts, S
RD5-RD7: DL/OL Depth


Depth Chart:

Offense:
Williams
Swift/Wilson/Johnson
Moore/Odunze/Patrick/Moore
Kmet/Alie-Cox/Smith
Simmons/Smith/Kelly/Zeitler/Wright (Skipper/Pryor/Majors/Ford/Clark)

Defense
Mack/Dexter/Billings/Sweat (Thomas/Ford/JTT/Sawyer/Saunders)
Edwards/Greenlaw/Sanborn
Johnson/Ward/Gordon/Stevenson
Brisker/Byard
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#497 » by dice » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:33 am

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1985Bear wrote:Dice, i like your analytical pragmatic approach, but always based on the past so would love to see your predictive models.

“Purdy is an excellent QB” - so what contract should the 49ers give him? What would your plan be for him?

I think he is totally scheme driven and many QBs would succeed there.

could be, but will the scheme be changing over the course of his next contract?

the reason there is a "next man up" for richest contract for QBs is because QBs are underpaid. if the niners can get away w/ not paying him that much they're ahead of the game

What contract is fair for Purdy?

well...25% of cap 2026-2029 would mean 4/$330. sounds reasonable to me. of course, he won't get that. because, as i said, NFL QBs are underpaid. what WILL he get? here are what comparables got as % of first year cap:

23.4 herbert (5 yrs)
23.1 lamar (5)
22.7 hurts (5)
22.1 kyler (5)
21.5 lawrence (5)

21.5 love (4 years)
20.8 tua (4)

purdy clear to me that brock belongs in the 5 yr category. and given that the upward trend continues, he might get 23% a year from now. which would be 5/$340. low end is 4/$250
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Post#498 » by dice » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:35 am

TheGOATRises007 wrote:I don't want McCarthy at all.

Like at all.

he certainly wouldn't get much rope from fans
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#499 » by panthermark » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:54 am

BJ and Vrabel were my 1a and 1b.

After that, I would probably go Glenn in the #3 spot, and beyond that it is kind of a toss-up.

With Vrabel off the map (without even an in-person interview even though he could have been brought in early), I feel like it is BJ or bust. Not that a few other candidates can't work out, but not landing the top candidates would feel like a loss.

Johnson is still out there, so things can still turn out OK. I do wonder what the Bears big board looks like.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#500 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:23 am

dice wrote:
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dice wrote:could be, but will the scheme be changing over the course of his next contract?

the reason there is a "next man up" for richest contract for QBs is because QBs are underpaid. if the niners can get away w/ not paying him that much they're ahead of the game

What contract is fair for Purdy?

well...25% of cap 2026-2029 would mean 4/$330. sounds reasonable to me. of course, he won't get that. because, as i said, NFL QBs are underpaid. what WILL he get? here are what comparables got as % of first year cap:

23.4 herbert (5 yrs)
23.1 lamar (5)
22.7 hurts (5)
22.1 kyler (5)
21.5 lawrence (5)

21.5 love (4 years)
20.8 tua (4)

purdy clear to me that brock belongs in the 5 yr category. and given that the upward trend continues, he might get 23% a year from now. which would be 5/$340. low end is 4/$250


God speed Brock. And good luck to the 49ers after paying him that much money. Drafting well is the only hope after paying him that much because several key players will not be able to be resigned.

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