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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#501 » by GetOverIt » Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:52 pm

CBS7 wrote:Some schools opened up today. Saw some pictures of ultra crowded hallways with a tiny percentage of kids wearing masks.

I fear for the future. Some of these kids' parents and grandparents will die. Hell some of the kids will die.

All we needed to do was a bona fide shutdown for 2 months. We settled for half measures. Then let up on those half measures too quick and are now settling for what, quarter measures? You think it's out of hand now? It'll only get worse. We're going to lose another couple hundred thousand American lives at least.

I haven't let my elderly parents leave the house since March.
I miss my family (brothers, nieces, nephews, cousins). This is the longest stretch I haven't seen them perhaps ever. Looking like it'll be at least another year before I get to see them the way things are going.


Sounds like a great life for your parents. Sit at home until you die of old age or take the .03% chance of death and leave the house and be around loved ones. I know my answer. God speed to you and your parents. I hope everything turns out how you wanted in the end.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#502 » by CBS7 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:05 pm

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CBS7 wrote:Some schools opened up today. Saw some pictures of ultra crowded hallways with a tiny percentage of kids wearing masks.

I fear for the future. Some of these kids' parents and grandparents will die. Hell some of the kids will die.

All we needed to do was a bona fide shutdown for 2 months. We settled for half measures. Then let up on those half measures too quick and are now settling for what, quarter measures? You think it's out of hand now? It'll only get worse. We're going to lose another couple hundred thousand American lives at least.

I haven't let my elderly parents leave the house since March.
I miss my family (brothers, nieces, nephews, cousins). This is the longest stretch I haven't seen them perhaps ever. Looking like it'll be at least another year before I get to see them the way things are going.


Sounds like a great life for your parents. Sit at home until you die of old age or take the .03% chance of death and leave the house and be around loved ones. I know my answer. God speed to you and your parents. I hope everything turns out how you wanted in the end.


My parents are old. My dad's health is poor enough to where he probably will die if he got it. Definitely not a .03% chance.

My parents and i don't live near our loved ones. They live across the country. Flights are already tough for my dad. Wouldn't be a good idea to do it with the added stress, not to mention the risk.

Floated the idea of renting an RV and driving cross country. but they are incredibly hard to find in my area lately. Plus I've never driven a vehicle bigger than a small pickup, so it would be a bit nerve racking.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#503 » by transplant » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:51 pm

If your #1 priority is to survive the pandemic, you take as close to zero risk as you can. I know some folks like this and I respect them for it. On the other side, there are some who have chosen not to modify their behavior much at all with regard to the virus. I view these people as selfish and irresponsible and avoid them.

Then there’s the majority who wear masks, socially distance and limit their exposure to those they know are like-minded. They take some risk in doing this, but are trying to balance health concerns with quality of life concerns. No one asked to be forced into this balancing act. No one who is trying to act responsibly should be criticized.


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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#504 » by GetOverIt » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:23 pm

CBS7 wrote:
GetOverIt wrote:
CBS7 wrote:Some schools opened up today. Saw some pictures of ultra crowded hallways with a tiny percentage of kids wearing masks.

I fear for the future. Some of these kids' parents and grandparents will die. Hell some of the kids will die.

All we needed to do was a bona fide shutdown for 2 months. We settled for half measures. Then let up on those half measures too quick and are now settling for what, quarter measures? You think it's out of hand now? It'll only get worse. We're going to lose another couple hundred thousand American lives at least.

I haven't let my elderly parents leave the house since March.
I miss my family (brothers, nieces, nephews, cousins). This is the longest stretch I haven't seen them perhaps ever. Looking like it'll be at least another year before I get to see them the way things are going.


Sounds like a great life for your parents. Sit at home until you die of old age or take the .03% chance of death and leave the house and be around loved ones. I know my answer. God speed to you and your parents. I hope everything turns out how you wanted in the end.


My parents are old. My dad's health is poor enough to where he probably will die if he got it. Definitely not a .03% chance.

My parents and i don't live near our loved ones. They live across the country. Flights are already tough for my dad. Wouldn't be a good idea to do it with the added stress, not to mention the risk.

Floated the idea of renting an RV and driving cross country. but they are incredibly hard to find in my area lately. Plus I've never driven a vehicle bigger than a small pickup, so it would be a bit nerve racking.


Yea that's a hard situation you are going through man, especially with your dads health. I just hope all this **** doesn't cause you to miss valuable time with your parents (it sort of sounds like it has already) that you may never have the chance to get back. I am a lot different then most when it comes to this. I'd rather take my chances with the Rona then never see my kids or loved ones for multiple years and depending on my age maybe ever again. I respect your view on it but I will never allow the fear of anything keep me from people I enjoy to be around. Our time here isn't that long to begin with in the grand scheme of things. Like I said. I really hope everything works out for you and yours.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#505 » by _txchilibowl_ » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:19 pm

GetOverIt wrote:
CBS7 wrote:
GetOverIt wrote:
Sounds like a great life for your parents. Sit at home until you die of old age or take the .03% chance of death and leave the house and be around loved ones. I know my answer. God speed to you and your parents. I hope everything turns out how you wanted in the end.


My parents are old. My dad's health is poor enough to where he probably will die if he got it. Definitely not a .03% chance.

My parents and i don't live near our loved ones. They live across the country. Flights are already tough for my dad. Wouldn't be a good idea to do it with the added stress, not to mention the risk.

Floated the idea of renting an RV and driving cross country. but they are incredibly hard to find in my area lately. Plus I've never driven a vehicle bigger than a small pickup, so it would be a bit nerve racking.


Yea that's a hard situation you are going through man, especially with your dads health. I just hope all this **** doesn't cause you to miss valuable time with your parents (it sort of sounds like it has already) that you may never have the chance to get back. I am a lot different then most when it comes to this. I'd rather take my chances with the Rona then never see my kids or loved ones for multiple years and depending on my age maybe ever again. I respect your view on it but I will never allow the fear of anything keep me from people I enjoy to be around. Our time here isn't that long to begin with in the grand scheme of things. Like I said. I really hope everything works out for you and yours.



The rest of us appreciate you throwing caution to the wind. Good looking out for your fellow people... :roll:

Edit: Also, you sort of forfeit the right to "hope everything works out for you and yours" when it's behaviors like yours that prolong this pandemic.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#506 » by ImSlower » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:12 am

GetOverIt wrote:
CBS7 wrote:
GetOverIt wrote:
Sounds like a great life for your parents. Sit at home until you die of old age or take the .03% chance of death and leave the house and be around loved ones. I know my answer. God speed to you and your parents. I hope everything turns out how you wanted in the end.


My parents are old. My dad's health is poor enough to where he probably will die if he got it. Definitely not a .03% chance.

My parents and i don't live near our loved ones. They live across the country. Flights are already tough for my dad. Wouldn't be a good idea to do it with the added stress, not to mention the risk.

Floated the idea of renting an RV and driving cross country. but they are incredibly hard to find in my area lately. Plus I've never driven a vehicle bigger than a small pickup, so it would be a bit nerve racking.


Yea that's a hard situation you are going through man, especially with your dads health. I just hope all this **** doesn't cause you to miss valuable time with your parents (it sort of sounds like it has already) that you may never have the chance to get back. I am a lot different then most when it comes to this. I'd rather take my chances with the Rona then never see my kids or loved ones for multiple years and depending on my age maybe ever again. I respect your view on it but I will never allow the fear of anything keep me from people I enjoy to be around. Our time here isn't that long to begin with in the grand scheme of things. Like I said. I really hope everything works out for you and yours.


It's definitely a hard situation. I understand your opinion, that gambling on ducking the disease or not infecting your high-risk family members trumps avoiding them for all this time. Back when this was ravaging NYC, I had to see the desperate sadness of a great friend not be able to bury his own father, at the height of the fears. He's still in such grief, and just furious at the rest of the country's malaise to respond when it was clear early on it might spread like wildfire through this country, not just China then Italy.

I met my best friend's newborn second daughter all of two times - Day 5 and Month 1 - now she's almost 7 months old and he and I are both limiting our personal interactions to close family. His 3 year old at least recognizes me on a Zoom. My father, like CBS7's, is a very high-risk target. He's already suffered some very threatening health setbacks unrelated to the virus - though likely related to the stress of living a very, very confusing and isolated life. I think a lot of communities and large families will never have a direct, close loss. And, since there's simply no right side to any of this, I know more people whose lives have been completely upturned into catastrophe simply because of the shutdown, not the actual virus.

If I wasn't interacting daily with my parents, and had I not seen the misery of multiple friends who buried parents, I would bet I'd be back bartending (my town is open and the bars are pretty openly flaunting no-masks). There are still a ton of people out having a blast, and I've turned down some pre-covid fantastic bar opportunities now. Turned down so many texts from friends and a couple no-strings hookups. Cancelled what I planned on being the most travel in one year of my life. My lifestyle the last 20 years has come to a crashing end. On my side, though, it's worth it to know that I'm keeping my parents (and everyone else I'd interact with in a busy bar) safer by limiting my own exposure so much as well. Underneath the socialite skin, my inner introvert is doing well and excels at this whole loner thing. I hope you and yours as well come out of this safely, with more new good habits than bad; that's my goal anyway!
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#507 » by wolffy » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:27 am

People like to say the USA is in decline and its leadership is failing us. But times like this prove it isn't really the leadership, its us, the average joes. We are too dumb to understand science. Too misinformed to understand fact from fiction. Too biased to be open to logical but opposing arguments. And too ignorant to know where to find our Information. Idk how we ever get back from these problems either.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#508 » by Dresden » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:37 pm

wolffy wrote:People like to say the USA is in decline and its leadership is failing us. But times like this prove it isn't really the leadership, its us, the average joes. We are too dumb to understand science. Too misinformed to understand fact from fiction. Too biased to be open to logical but opposing arguments. And too ignorant to know where to find our Information. Idk how we ever get back from these problems either.


There's enough blame to go around to everyone. Here is another glaring example of someone in a position of leadership being absolutely reckless with his employees lives:

"On Tuesday, as Florida set a daily record for covid-19 deaths, Marion County (FLA) Sheriff Billy Woods prohibited his deputies from wearing masks at work. His order, which also applies to visitors to the sheriff's office, carves out an exception for officers in some locations, including hospitals, and when dealing with people who are high-risk or suspected of having the novel coronavirus.

"We can debate and argue all day of why and why not. The fact is, the amount of professionals that give the reason why we should, I can find the exact same amount of professionals that say why we shouldn't," Woods wrote in the email."
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#509 » by DorO » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:06 pm

Finally Jimboy fired! , oops wrong thread
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#510 » by Dresden » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:28 pm

Mo Bamba to miss the rest of the season due to COVID. Poor guy- his nba career has not gone as expected.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#511 » by aramada » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:29 pm

Read on Twitter


Full thread mentions the NBA, along with Yale, sponsoring this dirt cheap, open protocol methodology which could change everything... All relevant info is in the thread

I’m obviously biased like all of us here, but when I think about what the NBA has done this year in the face of adversity, I can say that I am proud to be a fan of this league.

Between this, the success of the bubble (so far), and BLM advocacy, it’s fair to say that for the most part the NBA is an agent for good.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#512 » by DuckIII » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:29 pm

aramada wrote:
Read on Twitter


Full thread mentions the NBA, along with Yale, sponsoring this dirt cheap, open protocol methodology which could change everything... All relevant info is in the thread

I’m obviously biased like all of us here, but when I think about what the NBA has done this year in the face of adversity, I can say that I am proud to be a fan of this league.

Between this, the success of the bubble (so far), and BLM advocacy, it’s fair to say that for the most part the NBA is an agent for good.


No league has a perfect history of course, but during my lifetime of fandom, which dates back to 1986, among the major sports leagues the NBA has always been the boundary pushing progressive league as far to the correct side of history as you could reasonably expect a large general consumption entertainment corporation to be.

The NBA has in many ways pushed progressive ideals ahead of general social trends to help change things, not merely react to things that already changed.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#513 » by ImSlower » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:02 pm

Well, down here in the Metro East of St Louis, where everyone decided Covid was fake and/or a joke, Pritzker is moving back our phasing. So my bar friends are furious that as of Tuesday there's no more bar stools, 11pm closing time, no standing for waiting, reservations only.

No. Shildt. Unspaced bar seating is unsafe? Amazing! What a revelatory discovery! My ex-coworkers and friends were upset that I elected not to return to my bar career (and my life has come to a shattering, confusing 90 degree turn, but that's for the best). Now they are furious that their super duper unsafe jobs they came back to after our ill-advised indoor seating re-opening are going to be gutted.

I love bartending. I love crowded, dark Irish pubs and cheering for a Cardinals game in a packed bar. That's also about the single stupidest thing someone can do these days. I've since gone back to my teenage roots as a total introvert, and it's been fantastic. I can only hope that all my friends near me have dodged the virus, because it's just all the heck over the place here.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#514 » by DuckIII » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:08 pm

Yeah the numbers in the Metro East have been booming. This includes in such genius counties like Madison in which the County Board - which hilariously doubles as the board for the county health department - passed a resolution 26-2 to “reopen” in violation of the Governor’s executive orders all the way back in early May!!!

Fortunately the mayors in all but one town over-rode that decision and still passed resolutions to abide by the restrictions in their jurisdictions.

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a region has no boundary in application. In Macoupin County where I live, well north of the Metro East, we have had cases in one town go from 19 to 55 in the last 9 days and the town right next to it go from 20 to 45 during that same time. These two jumps stem almost entirely from people who attended a large indoor wedding reception defiantly held in the Metro East on August 1st.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#515 » by League Circles » Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:40 pm

I've gotta say this somewhere, and nextdoor app isn't safe even though it's more relevant:

If I see you in a store or something with your mask hanging off your face, below your nose, etc, there's a high chance that I'm going to yell at you and humiliate you in front of everyone in public. I'm so **** sick of seeing people do this and thinking they're getting away with something. Don't say I didn't warn you. Don't think you're going to call everyone's bluff just because you're an actual child posing as a grown up.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#516 » by Ben Wilson25 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:51 pm

DuckIII wrote:Yeah the numbers in the Metro East have been booming. This includes in such genius counties like Madison in which the County Board - which hilariously doubles as the board for the county health department - passed a resolution 26-2 to “reopen” in violation of the Governor’s executive orders all the way back in early May!!!

Fortunately the mayors in all but one town over-rode that decision and still passed resolutions to abide by the restrictions in their jurisdictions.

But here’s a story to illustrate how the stupidity of
a region has no boundary in application. In Macoupin County where I live, well north of the Metro East, we have had cases in one town go from 19 to 55 in the last 9 days and the town right next to it go from 20 to 45 during that same time. These two jumps stem almost entirely from people who attended a large indoor wedding reception defiantly held in the Metro East on August 1st.


I had to go to Florida last week and didn’t want to fly so I did the drive. With all the news coming out of Florida I was a little nervous about what I was going to encounter there especially coming from Chicago where pretty much everyone is following the guidelines. We stopped in Benton in Southern IL (home of Doug Collins and John Malkovich) at a WalMart to grab some supplies. It was way worse there than anything I saw in FL. I’d estimate 40% of people were straight up not wearing a mask and 50% of the people who were had them down around their chin. Seeing kids and old people in a crowded store with no mask was jarring. I had my Bulls mask on and it felt like the maskless people would make eye contact in a confrontational way. It was disturbing all around.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#517 » by DuckIII » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:01 pm

In a WalMart even? Wow. That store manager will be in a world of hurt if corporate finds out.

But yeah, large parts of Southern Illinois are “freedom” country.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#518 » by drosestruts » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:43 pm

League Circles wrote:I've gotta say this somewhere, and nextdoor app isn't safe even though it's more relevant:

If I see you in a store or something with your mask hanging off your face, below your nose, etc, there's a high chance that I'm going to yell at you and humiliate you in front of everyone in public. I'm so **** sick of seeing people do this and thinking they're getting away with something. Don't say I didn't warn you. Don't think you're going to call everyone's bluff just because you're an actual child posing as a grown up.


I thought I would do this, then I was at the grocery store and there was some guy there browsing the produce holding his mask in his hand. Did he simply forget and have an airhead moment? Was he defiantly not wearing his mask? I decided not to find out. He wasn't like a physically imposing person or anything, mostly I just didn't want the hassle if he's someone who's going to argue with me about it.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#519 » by Ben Wilson25 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:45 pm

I feel for the employees. Minimum wage isn’t enough to go around stopping 40% of the customers and telling them to wear a mask when most of those people would probably welcome a verbal confrontation about it. Not to mention, in a small town like that you probably are neighbors and acquaintances with a lot of them.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#520 » by transplant » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:01 pm

Ben Wilson25 wrote:I feel for the employees. Minimum wage isn’t enough to go around stopping 40% of the customers and telling them to wear a mask when most of those people would probably welcome a verbal confrontation about it. Not to mention, in a small town like that you probably are neighbors and acquaintances with a lot of them.

Agree. Not only is it unfair to expect minimum wage employees to be the "mask police," those people who don't wear masks or don't wear them properly are endangering those employees (as well as customers).
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