Bump thread for Kevin Durant

[WindyCityBorn]

A ballsy buy-low move would be to trade for Ben Simmons. It would be a complete and utter game-changer that would free up the Nets up on the trade market. You could probably force them to include some picks as well. Of course, it'd be a huge risk as well, but Vuc and Coby for Simmons and two firsts is sort of tempting in a way.

I wouldn’t do Vuc and Coby. However, I would do:

Ball, White, Green and Bradley for Simmons.

I'm not far off here. I feel like it's a crapshoot on picking who will have a more durable career going forward between Ball and Simmons. Honestly, if both healthy, I feel like their value is pretty similar.

That said, I'd rather be rid of Vuc, if such a thing was doable, and I'd include POR 1st, but I doubt BKN does either deal given that they traded Harden to get him...the optics would be bad.

Why are you so anxious to get of Vuc? We can easily do MUCH worse at center, but not easy to do much better.

[d boy gentleman]

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If true, yeah we're not beating that kind of package

I mentioned this exact deal 2 days ago in this very thread.

This THE best deal period. If I’m the nets I pull the trigger.

It doesn’t get better than Ayton Bridges Cam and picks.. the next best deal being Wiggins Kuminga Poole and Moody and picks

Pat Williams injury continues to hurt us. His value is basically nothing because he’s proven nothing in his first two seasons.. he’s not even a young valueable asset when it boils down too it, still a young throw in player. Ayton Bridges and Cam are all more valubele than PWill individually which lets you know the Bulls have no shot via trade at getting a star.

The reason that Rudy Gobert had a press conference in Minnesota instead of Chicago is because the Bulls weren't willing to include Pat in a deal for Rudy. Minnesota came with their deal and that was that.

Brookyln wants to remain competitive; they don't control their next 5 draft picks, so tanking is out of the question. If I'm the Bulls, I would have made my offer and then add if things progress.

[Betta Bulleavit]

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If true, yeah we're not beating that kind of package

I mentioned this exact deal 2 days ago in this very thread.

This THE best deal period. If I’m the nets I pull the trigger.

It doesn’t get better than Ayton Bridges Cam and picks.. the next best deal being Wiggins Kuminga Poole and Moody and picks

Pat Williams injury continues to hurt us. His value is basically nothing because he’s proven nothing in his first two seasons.. he’s not even a young valueable asset when it boils down too it, still a young throw in player. Ayton Bridges and Cam are all more valubele than PWill individually which lets you know the Bulls have no shot via trade at getting a star.

The reason that Rudy Gobert had a press conference in Minnesota instead of Chicago is because the Bulls weren't willing to include Pat in a deal for Rudy. Minnesota came with their deal and that was that.

Brookyln wants to remain competitive; they don't control their next 5 draft picks, so tanking is out of the question. If I'm the Bulls, I would have made my offer and then add if things progress.

Did you not see what Minnesota gave up in that deal?? Do you honestly think that Williams was all it would have taken to get a deal done (again, looking at what the wolves gave up)? Ainge was looking to rob somebody. The reason that press conference was in Minnesota is because they decided to be that somebody while the Bulls weren’t.

So far as KD goes, I don’t believe he’s going to be traded in the off-season at all. Much less to us. Because we don’t have what it’s going to take to get him. And even if we did go full nuclear and deal away major pieces, we’d be no better with him than we’d be without him. The only shot that we have as it concerns KD is to facilitate a trade for Simmons do that the Nets can open up their options with regards to who they can be asking for. Period.

[Rose2Boozer]

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If true, yeah we're not beating that kind of package

The Nets should grab that deal with hands and feet.

[Ctownbulls]

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If true, yeah we're not beating that kind of package

The Nets should grab that deal with hands and feet.

Why? They have a better chance of winning the title in the next 4 years if they keep him and figure out how to make him happy.

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[dougthonus]

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If true, yeah we're not beating that kind of package

Worth noting if you go to the article, this is a comment from a rival GM, not from the Nets and not a package offered.

[dougthonus]

Why? They have a better chance of winning the title in the next 4 years if they keep him and figure out how to make him happy.

What are their odds of winning a title now? They got swept in the 1st round last year with Kyrie and Durant. Maybe Ben Simmons comes in and makes them tons better relative to Durant/Irving falling off as they age? That doesn't seem like an event that takes them from 1st round to champion.

[sco]

I wouldn’t do Vuc and Coby. However, I would do:

Ball, White, Green and Bradley for Simmons.

I'm not far off here. I feel like it's a crapshoot on picking who will have a more durable career going forward between Ball and Simmons. Honestly, if both healthy, I feel like their value is pretty similar.

That said, I'd rather be rid of Vuc, if such a thing was doable, and I'd include POR 1st, but I doubt BKN does either deal given that they traded Harden to get him...the optics would be bad.

Why are you so anxious to get of Vuc? We can easily do MUCH worse at center, but not easy to do much better.

If we had a guy at C who could rim protect, it would make a big difference for the Bulls. Watching teams run layup lines against us last season was hard to watch. Also, it would give Pat the opportunity to have more plays run for him, and speed his development.

[Tutupa]

It seems the Nets are not thrilled with Suns offer for Durant. Although the offer is not known, I am sure that it includes Bridges.

I understand Nets´ stance in wanting an All Star. On the other hand, I understand the Suns want to keep Paul and Booker to pair with Durant. Meanwhile the Bulls don´t have enough to offer for Durant.

Ok, Bridges is not an All Star but he is a great player and the perfect 3D. How about becoming the third wheel and offer Derozan for Bridges? He is now locked for 4 years and fits much better in our age window with Lavine, Paw, Lonzo, Ayo...

We get younger and more balanced. I love Derozan but we are not going anywhere with the current roster. This way you remain competitive and build for the future.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I'm not far off here. I feel like it's a crapshoot on picking who will have a more durable career going forward between Ball and Simmons. Honestly, if both healthy, I feel like their value is pretty similar.

That said, I'd rather be rid of Vuc, if such a thing was doable, and I'd include POR 1st, but I doubt BKN does either deal given that they traded Harden to get him...the optics would be bad.

Why are you so anxious to get of Vuc? We can easily do MUCH worse at center, but not easy to do much better.

If we had a guy at C who could rim protect, it would make a big difference for the Bulls. Watching teams run layup lines against us last season was hard to watch. Also, it would give Pat the opportunity to have more plays run for him, and speed his development.

If we had guys that could effectively guard the perimeter, rim protection might not have been as big of an issue. It certainly wasn’t at the beginning of the season. But then we lost guys like Ball and Caruso for significant periods of time and were out two best perimeter defenders. We need them to make up for Vuc’s lack of rim protection just like Vuc had to carry extra offensive responsibilities when other guys aren’t clicking. It’s a team thing all the way around.

[Ctownbulls]

Why? They have a better chance of winning the title in the next 4 years if they keep him and figure out how to make him happy.

What are their odds of winning a title now? They got swept in the 1st round last year with Kyrie and Durant. Maybe Ben Simmons comes in and makes them tons better relative to Durant/Irving falling off as they age? That doesn't seem like an event that takes them from 1st round to champion.

They are around 20-1 even with the uncertainty around KD. If it became firm that he is staying I would imagine that drops to around 15-1. To put that in perspective, the Bulls are 60-1, the Celtics are 5-1, and Denver/Dallas/Memphis are all in the same range as BK.

[dougthonus]

They are around 20-1 even with the uncertainty around KD. If it became firm that he is staying I would imagine that drops to around 15-1. To put that in perspective, the Bulls are 60-1, the Celtics are 5-1, and Denver/Dallas/Memphis are all in the same range as BK.

Vegas betting odds aren't necessarily representative of real odds but how htey think people will bet. That said, I agree it's a good metric and couldn't offer you a better one. I think saying they are similar to those teams (Denver / Dallas / Memphis) is fair. I think the problem more so, if I'm a Nets fan/owner, is that my odds are likely to dip drastically in a short period of time, and this trade, if it were on the table would give me a sustainable young core of which to do something with.

[Ctownbulls]

They are around 20-1 even with the uncertainty around KD. If it became firm that he is staying I would imagine that drops to around 15-1. To put that in perspective, the Bulls are 60-1, the Celtics are 5-1, and Denver/Dallas/Memphis are all in the same range as BK.

Vegas betting odds aren't necessarily representative of real odds but how htey think people will bet. That said, I agree it's a good metric and couldn't offer you a better one. I think saying they are similar to those teams (Denver / Dallas / Memphis) is fair. I think the problem more so, if I'm a Nets fan/owner, is that my odds are likely to dip drastically in a short period of time, and this trade, if it were on the table would give me a sustainable young core of which to do something with.

I don't disagree but we all know you need a "guy" to win a championship. KD is a "guy" and they are very, very, hard to come by. If you look at the last 10 champions there are only 4/5 "guys" to actually win. The same has been true throughout history.

2022: Curry
2021: Giannis
2020: LeBron
2019: Kahwi
2018: Curry (Durant)
2017: Curry (Durant)
2016: LeBron
2015: Curry
2014: Kahwi
2013: LeBron
2012: LeBron

[dougthonus]

I don't disagree but we all know you need a "guy" to win a championship. KD is a "guy" and they are very, very, hard to come by. If you look at the last 10 champions there are only 4/5 "guys" to actually win. The same has been true throughout history.

2022: Curry
2021: Giannis
2020: LeBron
2019: Kahwi
2018: Curry (Durant)
2017: Curry (Durant)
2016: LeBron
2015: Curry
2014: Kahwi
2013: LeBron
2012: LeBron

Yeah, I think that's fair, with the caveat being that KD may not be "a guy" today, and his status in that category probably won't be a whole lot longer either, and even if he is such a guy, they don't have the cast to do it today based on last year's performance.

[Ctownbulls]

I don't disagree but we all know you need a "guy" to win a championship. KD is a "guy" and they are very, very, hard to come by. If you look at the last 10 champions there are only 4/5 "guys" to actually win. The same has been true throughout history.

2022: Curry
2021: Giannis
2020: LeBron
2019: Kahwi
2018: Curry (Durant)
2017: Curry (Durant)
2016: LeBron
2015: Curry
2014: Kahwi
2013: LeBron
2012: LeBron

Yeah, I think that's fair, with the caveat being that KD may not be "a guy" today, and his status in that category probably won't be a whole lot longer either, and even if he is such a guy, they don't have the cast to do it today based on last year's performance.

True, I guess the question is it more likely that Durant is still a "guy" for a year or two or that you find the next "guy" by trading him. If I had to bet on which one is more likely I would take Durant but that's me.

[sco]

I don't disagree but we all know you need a "guy" to win a championship. KD is a "guy" and they are very, very, hard to come by. If you look at the last 10 champions there are only 4/5 "guys" to actually win. The same has been true throughout history.

2022: Curry
2021: Giannis
2020: LeBron
2019: Kahwi
2018: Curry (Durant)
2017: Curry (Durant)
2016: LeBron
2015: Curry
2014: Kahwi
2013: LeBron
2012: LeBron

Yeah, I think that's fair, with the caveat being that KD may not be "a guy" today, and his status in that category probably won't be a whole lot longer either, and even if he is such a guy, they don't have the cast to do it today based on last year's performance.

True, I guess the question is it more likely that Durant is still a "guy" for a year or two or that you find the next "guy" by trading him. If I had to bet on which one is more likely I would take Durant but that's me.

I think it will come down to BOS, TOR and PHO to see who blinks...I think if TOR caves on Barnes, BOS on Brown they'll win...otherwise I think PHO will win. The team that isn't, but should get in on it is CLE, IMO. I'm thinking Fro + Sexton + picks could get a deal done.

[aramada]

Honestly I don’t see why DeRozan could not be the centerpiece of a KD trade. We are acting like KD is immortal or something. He’s older than DDR and comes off a major injury. KD is obviously a much better and more complete player, who would make us a contender, but DDR ended up on the same all NBA team as KD last season.
Nets showed that they want to remain competitive even if they trade KD, as demonstrated by spending a first on Royce the same day KD’s announcement was made.
I’d think DDR and Ball (or Caruso or Pat or Vuc), and 3 picks (including rights to Terry) would be more than enough.
It would obviously require some hard recruiting by Zach and Billy + our willingness to swap one of the most liked teammate for a more controversial figure (I’m staying soft here), but I could see the Bulls being competitive if they chose to

[FriedRise]

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yeah no lol

[Michael Jackson]

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yeah no lol

But if Danny Ainge was in Brooklyn, Minnesota would have said yes!

[OldSchoolNoBull]

This is getting interesting. Per the WT, teams aren't offering as much as the Nets want. And if the Legion tweet above is accurate, wow. It seems like the Nets may have overestimated the guy's trade value and are being unreasonable about it.

Additionally, WT says Ayton may sign an offer sheet soon. If he does, that effectively puts Durant to Phoenix on ice unless Brooklyn wants to wait and make the deal during the season.