Bears 8.0: Matt Eberflus FIRED

[panthermark]

I guess sure, but poles still took advantage of it and made an amazing move. A move that a lot of people (including people on this board) were calling the greatest trade of all time.

I think it was a great trade, and he has been living off the rep of that trade ever since.

What about the elite defense he's put together? on pretty friendly deals. whether you like the trade or not, he got an All pro Wr coming of his best season ever for the 4th. Swift has been pretty good despite a horrid game plan. He's put together an elite roster outside of OL. and I don't want to minimize that at all. Big knock against Poles. But he should get his own coach and one more year to make the OL an NFL caliber line

What about it?
4-5 right now and about to play the toughest schedule in the NFL.

Also, Poles owns Flus. He could have fired him last year but didn't. So he is married to Flus and Waldron.

[patryk7754]

Poles can't evaluate talent.

Unless you are specifically talking OL, this is objectively false. He's done a great job of draft, especially in the mid-late rounds. And he's signed great FAs. And acquired great talent via trades.

Wright pick looks iffy. Stevenson pick too.

Claypool and Allen not seeming like great trade targets.

Nate Davis a complete dud of a signing.

Stevenson is not iffy, he has played very well. Wright does look iffy but his issue is discipline which would be better with better coaching. I would not put the claypool and allen trades in the same category. Claypool was a terrible trade because he gave up a 2nd for someone who clearly wasn't good. Allen is an all-pro coming off his best season, and we gave up one of to 4th round picks. That trade also didn't prevent Poles from adding OL.

for every example of a bad addition, theres 5 examples of good additions.

Kyler Gordon
Stevenson
Terrel Smith
Edmonds
Edwards
Dexter
Billings
Moore
Roschon Johnson
Braxton Jones
Swift
Williams
Brisqer
Byard
Sweat


The reason we had so much hope for this season, is because of the roster built by Poles.

[RastaBull]

In case it hasn't already been noted:

Worth changing thread title to, "Season being FLUS'ed down the drain"

[patryk7754]

If they don’t get a quarterback out of it, if you’re ruining a quarterback, no chance.

He got the QB. the QB a lot of pro evaluators called the greatest prospect of all time. I think its too soon to say they are ruining Williams. Warren and ownership deserves a lot of blame for coaching as well. Maybe I'm giving Poles too much of a pass for coaching, but I don't think its reasonable to give him the bulk of the blame for HC i don't really consider his.

Heeeelll nah. Poles doubled down on Eberflus last year. And in the offseason. If Eberflus and or Waldron isn’t fired now?

My point is that I don't think he had the authority to fire Eberflus like you do. Obviously keeping eberflus and walrdon would be stupid, but if that happens, the entire franchise should be thrown to the bottom of the lake

[fleet]

He got the QB. the QB a lot of pro evaluators called the greatest prospect of all time. I think its too soon to say they are ruining Williams. Warren and ownership deserves a lot of blame for coaching as well. Maybe I'm giving Poles too much of a pass for coaching, but I don't think its reasonable to give him the bulk of the blame for HC i don't really consider his.

Heeeelll nah. Poles doubled down on Eberflus last year. And in the offseason. If Eberflus and or Waldron isn’t fired now?

My point is that I don't think he had the authority to fire Eberflus like you do. Obviously keeping eberflus and walrdon would be stupid, but if that happens, the entire franchise should be thrown to the bottom of the lake

A GM without the authority? You have a coach you know in your heart needs to be fired, you **** fire him and take all the smoke. If you’re a dude.

[patryk7754]

I think it was a great trade, and he has been living off the rep of that trade ever since.

What about the elite defense he's put together? on pretty friendly deals. whether you like the trade or not, he got an All pro Wr coming of his best season ever for the 4th. Swift has been pretty good despite a horrid game plan. He's put together an elite roster outside of OL. and I don't want to minimize that at all. Big knock against Poles. But he should get his own coach and one more year to make the OL an NFL caliber line

What about it?
4-5 right now and about to play the toughest schedule in the NFL.

Also, Poles owns Flus. He could have fired him last year but didn't. So he is married to Flus and Waldron.

If you don't see the value of talent acquisition, then this convo is pointless. and Poles does not "own" eberflus. Warren and ownership plays a role in it as well.

[patryk7754]

Heeeelll nah. Poles doubled down on Eberflus last year. And in the offseason. If Eberflus and or Waldron isn’t fired now?

My point is that I don't think he had the authority to fire Eberflus like you do. Obviously keeping eberflus and walrdon would be stupid, but if that happens, the entire franchise should be thrown to the bottom of the lake

A GM without the authority? You have a coach you know in your heart needs to be fired, you **** fire him and take all the smoke. If you’re a dude.

if you're a dude? I'm saying, I think ownership and warren wanted to keep Eberflus. Poles can't just fire him if his bosses want to keep him.

[TheSuzerain]

Waldron seems done based on Eberflus comments. He seems scared for his job too.

[patryk7754]

Waldron seems done based on Eberflus comments. He seems scared for his job too.

Done as in he'll be fired or have play calling taking away. Didn't see a press conference but eberflus was making the faces of a man that knew he was going to be fired at the end of the game .

[madvillian]

Ben Johnson: Get me in there!

lol us Lions fans can't even imagine if he'd stay again but god if the openings are like Chicago and Raiders maybe he's like nah I'm good with a raise and another year with Dan in Detroit.

[dougthonus]

Waldron seems done based on Eberflus comments. He seems scared for his job too.

I think both have been bad enough that firing either wouldn't be a surprise. I'm just not sure where else they would go mid-season.

[fleet]

My point is that I don't think he had the authority to fire Eberflus like you do. Obviously keeping eberflus and walrdon would be stupid, but if that happens, the entire franchise should be thrown to the bottom of the lake

A GM without the authority? You have a coach you know in your heart needs to be fired, you **** fire him and take all the smoke. If you’re a dude.

if you're a dude? I'm saying, I think ownership and warren wanted to keep Eberflus. Poles can't just fire him if his bosses want to keep him.

Then you walk. You’re done. You stay under those conditions you **** suck balls

[dougthonus]

Stevenson is not iffy, he has played very well.

That doesn't seem true to me. His PFF grade is poor. He gave up the two biggest plays on the Patriots TD drive (including the TD) due to poor coverage.

[fleet]

Toast Stevenson

[TheSuzerain]

Waldron seems done based on Eberflus comments. He seems scared for his job too.

Done as in he'll be fired or have play calling taking away. Didn't see a press conference but eberflus was making the faces of a man that knew he was going to be fired at the end of the game .

No difference between Waldron losing playcalling and getting fired.

[patryk7754]

Stevenson is not iffy, he has played very well.

That doesn't seem true to me. His PFF grade is poor. He gave up the two biggest plays on the Patriots TD drive (including the TD) due to poor coverage.

[panthermark]

What about the elite defense he's put together? on pretty friendly deals. whether you like the trade or not, he got an All pro Wr coming of his best season ever for the 4th. Swift has been pretty good despite a horrid game plan. He's put together an elite roster outside of OL. and I don't want to minimize that at all. Big knock against Poles. But he should get his own coach and one more year to make the OL an NFL caliber line

What about it?
4-5 right now and about to play the toughest schedule in the NFL.

Also, Poles owns Flus. He could have fired him last year but didn't. So he is married to Flus and Waldron.

If you don't see the value of talent acquisition, then this convo is pointless. and Poles does not "own" eberflus. Warren and ownership plays a role in it as well.

With all that "talent", the bottom line is that the Bears are 4-5 and are trending DOWNWARD, and that CW looks AWFUL.

Right now we need a HC, an OC, a new O-line and MAYBE even a QB (hard to evaluate).
All that talent and there is a decent chance this team has he same record it had the year before Poles took over. (6-11)
All that talent, and next Pro-Bowler drafted by Poles will be his first. Well, maybe the punter can be a Pro-Bowler. Not sure if that is a good thing.
All that talent, yet Flus and Poles own the Bears longest losing streak in team history.

All that talent, yet it seems like we are in the exact same spot we were last year except with "more talent" some how. I like the Swift pick-up, but don't forget, that was needed because Poles idiotically let Monty walk over guaranteed years on a reasonable salary.

[patryk7754]

Stevenson is not iffy, he has played very well.

That doesn't seem true to me. His PFF grade is poor. He gave up the two biggest plays on the Patriots TD drive (including the TD) due to poor coverage.

I don’t care about pff grades. According to those, our OL isn’t bad at all and Braxton Jones is one of the best LTs in the league

He’s only half way through his second season and he’s an above average starter. He’s played well but he’s obviously not without some flaws. He can allow big plays every now and again but that’s normal for a young Cb. Overall he’s pretty good in cover and underrated as a tackler.

Playing very well doesn’t have to mean youre a top 10 corner. The context of your situation has to be taken into account.

[dougthonus]

A GM without the authority? You have a coach you know in your heart needs to be fired, you **** fire him and take all the smoke. If you’re a dude.

if you're a dude? I'm saying, I think ownership and warren wanted to keep Eberflus. Poles can't just fire him if his bosses want to keep him.

Then you walk. You’re done. You stay under those conditions you **** suck balls

That seems a bit unrealistic. How many jobs would someone walk away from because they have to fulfill a requirement of their boss even if they disagree? Especially given he's making 7 figures and would go from that to unemployed and may possibly never get another GM job again over it.

That said, I think it's incredibly unlikely that Warren/Ownership would force Flus on him against his will. I don't know of any reason anyone would think this is true or that Poles wouldn't have had the power to change if he wanted. It just seems like a thing made up to distance Poles from this mistake rather than any rational reason.

Warren isn't on the football side. It's pretty crazy to think he's going to veto a football decision like replacing a coach who hasn't done well and has relatively low amounts of money left on his deal (from a football expense perspective) in a year where you are drafting a franchise QB.

[patryk7754]

Questioning Poles is reasonable. I'd say wanting to fire him after the season is an overreaction.

But questioning the QB situation is crazy to me. In all the bad, Williams has still shown he has all the tools to be elite. He's only half way through his rookie season.