NBA Trade Thread #11

[WindyCityBorn]

Utah should have traded Markkanen. Ainge got too greedy and now his value has likely tanked.

[Dan Z]

Utah should have traded Markkanen. Ainge got too greedy and now his value has likely tanked.

It depends on what the offers were. Utah owns picks from Minnesota, Cleveland and the Lakers (2027 pick protected 1-4). In 2025 they'll most likely have three first round picks (their own, Minnesota and Cleveland). They don't really need more picks (although I'm sure they'd take them).

That leaves a young prospect or prospects. Who? What team? I agree that Markkanen on his new contract isn't as valuable as he was.

[Donkedave]

You think the rumour is true Lonzo signs with CHA in the offseason to join his brother?

Better off doing a trade now

Why would Charlotte trade for him now when they can just get him for free in the offseason.

Could trade him somewhere else? Not sure where or what for tho

[Muzbar]

You think the rumour is true Lonzo signs with CHA in the offseason to join his brother?

Better off doing a trade now

Why would Charlotte trade for him now when they can just get him for free in the offseason.

Could trade him somewhere else? Not sure where or what for tho

The only market for Lonzo is if someone wants to offload salary and want an expiring.

[sco]

[quote="Chi town"]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278587/Kings-Have-Made-Trade-Inquiries-On-Zach-LaVine-Brandon-Ingram-Cam-Thomas-Kyle-Kuzma[quote]

Kangz called about Zach. Keegan Murray is a great buy low candidate. Kings want to win to keep Fox. Problem is you need his contract to get Lavine and he is Fox’s best friend.

You could do Monk, Huerter, and Murray (to get Murray) for Zach. I'd like to get a 1st back in that scenario. It works in fanspo.

[ChettheJet]

I don't get how anybody seeing what a still getting his game back Lonzo Ball does and want to trade him. many here wanted to trade him for $20M worth of used ball racks so just go sit down and be quiet. To me you make the case to him that he can sign a friendly contract and be a part of the future. He loves his brother but they don't need to play on the same team to be happy, that's childish thinking at best. I maintain the belief that Lonzo will resign, for maybe $10M saying he's left $60M of his contract on the table, it's not all about the money he wants to show the Bulls and their fans that he appreciates them sticking by him

If I'm the Kings Zach is the last player I'm interested in unless they have a way to move Demar. Did anybody in the SAC office watch the Bulls?

Seeing how the Kings made the playoffs last year after a couple of generations they look bad with DeRozan. Then look at the Bulls without him, for all his last second heroics, his mentoring the young guys, never missing game, playing heavy minutes, they're in the same basic position. The Spurs fully tanked when he moved on. TOR traded him and won title. You're got to ask, is he the guy that makes a difference or is that just talk?

Not because they have looked good without him but I'm listening to offers for Ayo. Coby is the guy to resign. Giddey isn't as bad as some want to make him sound, Lonzo is doing Lonzo things, THT provides a tough veteran presence. You still can only guess what they get back for Lavine and Vucevic. Maybe Ayo gets you a 1st from a team with a stockpile.

[Infinity2152]

I don't get how anybody seeing what a still getting his game back Lonzo Ball does and want to trade him. many here wanted to trade him for $20M worth of used ball racks so just go sit down and be quiet. To me you make the case to him that he can sign a friendly contract and be a part of the future. He loves his brother but they don't need to play on the same team to be happy, that's childish thinking at best. I maintain the belief that Lonzo will resign, for maybe $10M saying he's left $60M of his contract on the table, it's not all about the money he wants to show the Bulls and their fans that he appreciates them sticking by him

If I'm the Kings Zach is the last player I'm interested in unless they have a way to move Demar. Did anybody in the SAC office watch the Bulls?

Seeing how the Kings made the playoffs last year after a couple of generations they look bad with DeRozan. Then look at the Bulls without him, for all his last second heroics, his mentoring the young guys, never missing game, playing heavy minutes, they're in the same basic position. The Spurs fully tanked when he moved on. TOR traded him and won title. You're got to ask, is he the guy that makes a difference or is that just talk?

Not because they have looked good without him but I'm listening to offers for Ayo. Coby is the guy to resign. Giddey isn't as bad as some want to make him sound, Lonzo is doing Lonzo things, THT provides a tough veteran presence. You still can only guess what they get back for Lavine and Vucevic. Maybe Ayo gets you a 1st from a team with a stockpile.

Coby likely gets starter salary on his next contract. He's started for us a LOT and he's averaging 18 now, 19 last year. Could easily be $30 mill+. You only re-sign Coby at that price if you think he's your starting PG/SG for the next 4 years. He's a solid, if streaky scorer, what else does he bring that a starter needs at that position? Not good at defense or playmaking, not athletic, takes bad shots. Not especially tall, his physical limitations cap his ceiling. If we were close and we could afford a $25+ mill sixth man, re-sign him. We're not. He's also our most tradeable player, based on contract. His contract being cheap only lasts one more year.

[Guru]

My thoughts right now

1. Craig and Carter will be easily traded to playoff teams soon and are just being kept due to potentially including them in a bigger deal
2. After lots of review Coby is the guy we should trade. His contract is up and we won't want to pay him. He also will probably fetch us a late first at least. His contract is easily matched. It clears up our mess at guard as well.
3. Vuc Is the next guy to trade. I wouldn't give him away but as others have noted his defense is an issue with our current team as is his age
4. Lonzo Ball is the last guy I would trade. Another guy who I am a big fan of. If we were true contenders I would have my ninja grip on him. Ball will be the hardest to trade because of matching salaries, but not every team will have to match completely

Cumulatively I think we get 1FRP, 52RPs (1 each for Carter-Craig and Ball and 2 for Vuc....give or take as they are packaged)

Roster is then
1 Giddey-THT
2 Ayo-Terry-Duarte
3 Lavine-Phillips
4 Williams-Buz
5 Smith

[Infinity2152]

My thoughts right now

1. Craig and Carter will be easily traded to playoff teams soon and are just being kept due to potentially including them in a bigger deal
2. After lots of review Coby is the guy we should trade. His contract is up and we won't want to pay him. He also will probably fetch us a late first at least. His contract is easily matched. It clears up our mess at guard as well.
3. Vuc Is the next guy to trade. I wouldn't give him away but as others have noted his defense is an issue with our current team as is his age
4. Lonzo Ball is the last guy I would trade. Another guy who I am a big fan of. If we were true contenders I would have my ninja grip on him. Ball will be the hardest to trade because of matching salaries, but not every team will have to match completely

Cumulatively I think we get 1FRP, 52RPs (1 each for Carter-Craig and Ball and 2 for Vuc....give or take as they are packaged)

Roster is then
1 Giddey-THT
2 Ayo-Terry-Duarte
3 Lavine-Phillips
4 Williams-Buz
5 Smith

Thoughts: With that team, we keep our draft pick. Defense should increase a lot, but losing both Coby and Vuc's scoring, that starting lineup isn't scoring enough and the bench is way worse. Assuming we're getting expiring role players at best for Carter, Craig, Vuc.

Pretty good-looking team contract wise, we'd have a lot of flexibility in the off season. Add getting our 1st, plus a first for Coby and all those seconds replenishes our draft stock.

Ayo will be at least a league average starting guard if he gets his three-point shot back. The only thing Coby does better is shoot threes, think he's worse at pretty much everything else.

Almost all young players left, should expect growth from pretty much all of them. Almost nobody has peaked.

If the choice is between paying Giddey $20 mill/yr AAV this summer or Coby $20-$30 mill/yr next summer, no-brainer to me. On nights when Coby's shots not falling, he's pretty useless. His TS% over the last 4 years is about 57%, so around average shooting for a guy whose calling card is his shooting.

[jump]

I think Zach will have a heart attack if he goes to Sac and has to play behind DeMar again.

[Chi town]

Utah should have traded Markkanen. Ainge got too greedy and now his value has likely tanked.

Ainge isn’t looking good in Utah. They are getting impatient. Nothing has worked this far except the coach.

[LateNight]

Cumulatively I think we get 1FRP, 52RPs

I read this as “1 first round pick, 52 seconds”

[League Circles]

If you guys could dump one contract right now for pure garbage expiring deals and nothing else coming back, who would it be?

I would pick Vuc over Carter and Terry, with Patrick still a candidate, though he's seemed a but better lately.

[Infinity2152]

If you guys could dump one contract right now for pure garbage expiring deals and nothing else coming back, who would it be?

I would pick Vuc over Carter and Terry, with Patrick still a candidate, though he's seemed a but better lately.

Most definitely Carter, we're getting ZERO production from him and that contract's probably negative value. Move Vuc, you still have to replace him, there's a lot of the cap savings gone right there. Vuc will be far easier to move in the off season than right now, although it can be done. We won't be taking expirings if we trade Vuc this summer, so we'll possibly get a useful player or two back in lieu of second round picks.

[HomoSapien]

Utah should have traded Markkanen. Ainge got too greedy and now his value has likely tanked.

Ainge isn’t looking good in Utah. They are getting impatient. Nothing has worked this far except the coach.

I would be pretty frustrated if I were a Jazz fan. Almost as frustrated as I am as a Bulls fan.

They had a young team was competing for a playoff spot, but then they purposely made the worse to tank -- but like us, they can't get bad enough to tank in a meaningful way.

[League Circles]

If you guys could dump one contract right now for pure garbage expiring deals and nothing else coming back, who would it be?

I would pick Vuc over Carter and Terry, with Patrick still a candidate, though he's seemed a but better lately.

Most definitely Carter, we're getting ZERO production from him and that contract's probably negative value. Move Vuc, you still have to replace him, there's a lot of the cap savings gone right there. Vuc will be far easier to move in the off season than right now, although it can be done. We won't be taking expirings if we trade Vuc this summer, so we'll possibly get a useful player or two back in lieu of second round picks.

Jalen Smith would replace Vuc.

[sco]

If you guys could dump one contract right now for pure garbage expiring deals and nothing else coming back, who would it be?

I would pick Vuc over Carter and Terry, with Patrick still a candidate, though he's seemed a but better lately.

Most definitely Carter, we're getting ZERO production from him and that contract's probably negative value. Move Vuc, you still have to replace him, there's a lot of the cap savings gone right there. Vuc will be far easier to move in the off season than right now, although it can be done. We won't be taking expirings if we trade Vuc this summer, so we'll possibly get a useful player or two back in lieu of second round picks.

Jalen Smith would replace Vuc.

For sure.

I feel like we could get that for Vuc whenever we wanted, but maybe I'm wrong since we supposedly lowered our asking price to a couple of 2nds, which essentially nothing.

Zach, on the other hand, has proved hard to dump for a non-negative value contract. Although I wonder if NO would trade BI straight-up, which is essentially just an expiring deal with a little optionality.

Pat and Coby also come to mind, but I think we could possibly combine them into a marginally useful deal.

So, I'll go with Carter.

[HomoSapien]

If you guys could dump one contract right now for pure garbage expiring deals and nothing else coming back, who would it be?

I would pick Vuc over Carter and Terry, with Patrick still a candidate, though he's seemed a but better lately.

I mean, the answer has to be Zach doesn't it? Obviously he's a good player and everything, but clearing out $43+m a year will have the biggest impact.

[League Circles]

If you guys could dump one contract right now for pure garbage expiring deals and nothing else coming back, who would it be?

I would pick Vuc over Carter and Terry, with Patrick still a candidate, though he's seemed a but better lately.

I mean, the answer has to be Zach doesn't it? Obviously he's a good player and everything, but clearing out $43+m a year will have the biggest impact.

I personally would not be interested in dumping Zach for no value. I think he's a really good player on a relatively fair contract, and projects to be that for at least the rest of his contract and probably for roughly 5 more years total. I think dumping him for nothing puts us significantly further away from what we want to be. As far as I'm concerned he's the only clear building block we have.

[Muzbar]

I think Zach will have a heart attack if he goes to Sac and has to play behind DeMar again.

Sac doesn't have the salary to get Sac, DDR would have to be included but sent to a third team.