Broussard: Wade/Bosh to Miami

cheenofly523 · Post #521 » by **cheenofly523** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:36 pm

Bulls_Fan wrote:I get annoyed when i watch Heat games and see the stadium half-empty because apparently, South Beach fans take their time getting to the stadium.

It explains why their announcer is an extra douchehat.

Last time the Heat even sold out a stadium was 2006. What have we accomplished after that? I guarantee you the tickets have already risen for this upcoming year.

Post #522 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:36 pm

BullsfanLA wrote:
Gray Poster wrote: Bosh and Wade will be NO better than Wade and Jermaine O'Neal the last few years.

I was thinking the same thing, haha.

The difference is, Miami intentionally did not build depth around JO and Wade so that they would have this capspace. Now they will go full throttle over the coming years to build a strong supporting cast.

I still don't find it to be a terribly scary "core 2" players by NBA standards. Its damn good. It'll compete in the top group of the league and challeng for conference championships and perhaps titles. But its not abnormally special.

Unless James joins them, frankly no one will have built anything particularly special (unless he signs in Chicago).

blumeany · Post #523 » by **blumeany** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:39 pm

DuckIII wrote:
Scott May wrote:How about we wait a little bit before jumping to conclusions in EITHER direction?

The people who are knee-jerk blaming the front office = the people who are saying the front office handled everything flawlessly, batted 1.000 on all fronts.

HOw the **** do you know?

I'm sure the local mouthpiece guys will say the FO hit a home run. A nugget will emerge from other places that might suggest a free agent was concerned about this or that.

But why don't we just wait and see A. who ends up on the team -- it could still be LeBron, really! -- and B. see what the post-mortem is on Free Agency 2010.

Honestly.

Well said.

Basically, before Ainge got Allen and KG, he was creamed crap. Same would have happened if Pax got Lebron or Wade/Bosh. Now people are saying how masterful Riley is for sitting back and letting Wade talk Bosh into coming to Miami. And like you said, we have no idea what was said or promised or offered to anyone by anyone. The Bulls could have told Lebron that they'd give him more control than Michael ever had, you just don't know. They also could have told Wade that he's not as good as Lebron, so they would have to get back to him.

We'll most likely never know unless one of these guys or their people decided to let it slip. But if they are classy and like to keep their agents (who need to keep a good relationship with all teams) happy, they'll stay tight lipped and just give the generic "it was a really hard decision because everyone had such a great presentation" schpeil.

Bulls69 · Post #524 » by **Bulls69** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:41 pm

chisox05champs wrote:It's insane that this franchise can't get a top free agent to come play here for max money. With the Bulls nucleus and the city of Chicago, it simply boggles my mind. I'm not blaming the front office because I'm honestly not sure what could have been done better. The Kirk trade was a excellent way to set up for a huge free agency haul. I'm just struggling to figure out why 1 of these 3 guys didn't want to play here.

I was thinking the same thing Chicago has a great fan base great young talent, Wade was not going to give up 30 mil I could see him staying and Bosh just wanted to be Robin but get max money.

ACE20004U · Post #525 » by **ACE20004U** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:42 pm

chisox05champs wrote:It's insane that this franchise can't get a top free agent to come play here for max money. With the Bulls nucleus and the city of Chicago, it simply boggles my mind. I'm not blaming the front office because I'm honestly not sure what could have been done better. The Kirk trade was a excellent way to set up for a huge free agency haul. I'm just struggling to figure out why 1 of these 3 guys didn't want to play here.

It's obviously the FO. Maybe if they didn't show up looking like they managed a Best Buy? Maybe if they didn't take such a hard line stance and tell one of the best players in the game that his friends couldn't ride the plane? Maybe if they had a real splashy presentation instead of being low key and no nonsense? Maybe if they had a different FO altogether. In any case, it was the FO's job to deliver us a big name FA or two, clearly its an epic fail at this point.

LoveDaBoo · Post #526 » by **LoveDaBoo** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:42 pm

DuckIII wrote:I still don't find it to be a terribly scary "core 2" players by NBA standards. Its damn good. It'll compete in the top group of the league and challeng for conference championships and perhaps titles. But its not abnormally special.

It's pretty damn special. Similar to Kobe/Gasol.

The Explorer · Post #527 » by **The Explorer** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:43 pm

Give it 2 years before Bosh becomes unhappy playing next to a bunch of crap. He will then demand a trade. Happens almost every time.

G-spot · Post #528 » by **G-spot** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:43 pm

Cowards. If winning was their top priority they'd be fighting over Chicago. Bosh and Wade does not scare me nor does LeBron returning to Cleveland alone.

TheAdmiral · Post #529 » by **TheAdmiral** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:43 pm

So, everytime I'm not around something big goes down? Anyway, this was expected, and I've expected LeBron to resign with the Cavs all along, so none of the big three end up in Chicago, despite us having the best **** team of all. Great.

The Explorer · Post #530 » by **The Explorer** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:45 pm

TheAdmiral wrote:So, everytime I'm not around something big goes down? Anyway, this was expected, and I've expected LeBron to resign with the Cavs all along, so none of the big three end up in Chicago, despite us having the best **** team of all. Great.

We know all season long that there was a high likelihood of this happening. We were discussing Boozer/Lee/Morrow all season. The expectations just changed because of guys like Wesley and Broussard. Meh.

Post #531 » by **Electric Slim** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:46 pm

DuckIII wrote:
Scott May wrote:How about we wait a little bit before jumping to conclusions in EITHER direction?

The people who are knee-jerk blaming the front office = the people who are saying the front office handled everything flawlessly, batted 1.000 on all fronts.

HOw the **** do you know?

I'm sure the local mouthpiece guys will say the FO hit a home run. A nugget will emerge from other places that might suggest a free agent was concerned about this or that.

But why don't we just wait and see A. who ends up on the team -- it could still be LeBron, really! -- and B. see what the post-mortem is on Free Agency 2010.

Honestly.

Well said.

Pat Riley looks slick and had his own Genesis game.

Cav's owner looks like Steve Jobs.

Bulls staff looks like the Marx Bros.

Chicago looks like work. Miami looks like play.

thedarkstark · Post #532 » by **thedarkstark** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:46 pm

Funny thing is that if the Bulls get ANYONE they'll still be better than Miami and possibly even Cleveland.

Woody Allen · Post #533 » by **Woody Allen** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:46 pm

I wonder if Rudy Fernandez is still untouchable in Portland.

Gray Poster · Post #534 » by **Gray Poster** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:47 pm

LoveDaBoo wrote:
DuckIII wrote:I still don't find it to be a terribly scary "core 2" players by NBA standards. Its damn good. It'll compete in the top group of the league and challeng for conference championships and perhaps titles. But its not abnormally special.

It's pretty damn special. Similar to Kobe/Gasol.

Kobe >>>> Wade
Gasol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bosh

But Wade with a 5 year younger and motivated Shaq are just slightly worse than Kobe and Gasol.

LoveDaBoo · Post #535 » by **LoveDaBoo** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:48 pm

thedarkstark wrote:Funny thing is that if the Bulls get ANYONE they'll still be better than Miami and possibly even Cleveland.

No, they won't. If, for example, Bron goes back to Cleveland, there is no realistic possibility that the Bulls will be better than the Heat or the Cavs.

LoveDaBoo · Post #536 » by **LoveDaBoo** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:49 pm

Gray Poster wrote:
LoveDaBoo wrote:
DuckIII wrote:I still don't find it to be a terribly scary "core 2" players by NBA standards. Its damn good. It'll compete in the top group of the league and challeng for conference championships and perhaps titles. But its not abnormally special.

It's pretty damn special. Similar to Kobe/Gasol.

Kobe >>>> Wade

Wade's almost certainly the better player at this point.

Gasol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bosh

Not really.

TheAdmiral · Post #537 » by **TheAdmiral** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:49 pm

charity stripe wrote:
TheAdmiral wrote:So, everytime I'm not around something big goes down? Anyway, this was expected, and I've expected LeBron to resign with the Cavs all along, so none of the big three end up in Chicago, despite us having the best **** team of all. Great.

We know all season long that there was a high likelihood of this happening. We were discussing Boozer/Lee/Morrow all season. The expectations just changed because of guys like Wesley and Broussard. Meh.

Yup. That's what makes it feel even worse. Wes and his "We're coming to Chicago"-crap.

Post #538 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:49 pm

ACE20004U wrote:
chisox05champs wrote:It's insane that this franchise can't get a top free agent to come play here for max money. With the Bulls nucleus and the city of Chicago, it simply boggles my mind. I'm not blaming the front office because I'm honestly not sure what could have been done better. The Kirk trade was a excellent way to set up for a huge free agency haul. I'm just struggling to figure out why 1 of these 3 guys didn't want to play here.

It's obviously the FO.

You can't say that with the information we currently have and be taken seriously.

Maybe if they didn't show up looking like they managed a Best Buy?

They wore dark suits and blue shirts with no ties which was, incidentally, exactly what Riley wore to his meeting with LeBron. Did you seriously just list this as evidence that the FO **** up?

Maybe if they didn't take such a hard line stance and tell one of the best players in the game that his friends couldn't ride the plane?

You have absolutely no idea how or what was said in that regard. But you do know that (a) Miami is where Wade wanted to be if he could recruit help, because he told us that like 1000 times in the last 60 days; (b) Miami can pay him $30 million more than the Bulls; and (c) Bosh had clearly joined Wade at the hip throughout this entire process.

Maybe if they had a real splashy presentation instead of being low key and no nonsense?

The first word in that sentence is of critical significance when juxtaposed with the first sentence in your post. In other words, you have no clue. How likely is it that a "no nonsense" presentation - for a team that whose obvious selling point was a non-nonsense basketball argument - was a bigger factor than all of the other things we know about these players' own personal motivations?

Maybe if they had a different FO altogether. In any case, it was the FO's job to deliver us a big name FA or two, clearly its an epic fail at this point

There's that word again. As Scott May rightly wrote, no one knows right now. Some reports will likely trickle out one way or another and then we'll have something to discuss.

pwiley321 · Post #539 » by **pwiley321** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:51 pm

Bulls were operating at a serious information disadvantage. Wade working for Riley had direct and unfiltered access to every player. Was able to recruit and relay everything to Heat. Sounds like the Bulls depended upon WWW and player agents, secondary sources with agendas of their own and never to be believed at face value.

We entered the race with a serious disadvantage, and hope engendered gullibility. Bulls may have had a chance, but its hard to win a race when the opponent has a head start.

Gray Poster · Post #540 » by **Gray Poster** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:52 pm

I disagree. the 2010 Kobe was amazing in the playoffs this year. He is taller and stronger that DWade and they are about the same age. DWade has had injury problems over the past few years and Kobe has been fairly healthy.

As far as Gasol and Bosh go, I think that Gasol has stepped over the last year and pushed himself to the top of the PF food chain. Bosh had a great year(24/12) but he fails to make a difference.

We shall see though next year.