Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

Jordan45822 · Post #521 » by **Jordan45822** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:07 pm

don't see Toronto wasting their cap room on Deng, when looks like they have a huge shot at getting Nash.

Helix · Post #522 » by **Helix** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:10 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:Sorry guys, I've been trying to get the details and it's still kind of shaky right now but here's what I got

Bulls get- Wright, Harris, #7 and 2nd rd pick or picks not fully sure on the 2nd rd stuff yet

Jazz get- Bieds, 29, 30, Bulls 2013 1st and another Bulls player (in the past I know Utah like Watson)

Warriors- Deng

Other things could be involved but this is what I got so far

Ehh, kind of a poor deal to give up Deng and 2 1st rounders to get #7, Dorrell Wright, and Devin Harris.

Why would the jazz do this deal? They lose talent and take on salary.

Only thing I can think of is that they really like some of those late first rounders in this draft. If this trade happens, the Bulls will make off like bandits imo.

RoseTheFuture22 · Post #523 » by **RoseTheFuture22** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:10 pm

I'd do the 3-way with GS and Utah in a heartbeat, but I don't know if 2 late 1sts are enough to take on that awful Biedrins contract plus it leaves the jazz with no other options at PG.

Godzilla039 · Post #524 » by **Godzilla039** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:13 pm

@DanTown .. just guessing but maybe because the GS deal allows the Bulls to sell high on Deng, whom they may not want to re-sign after his deal is up? It also allows us to compete with the expiring contracts and re-sign our defensive backbone, Asik and Taj. Also, the FO may have targeted Lamb as Deng's replacement and Rose's future running mate.

jmajew · Post #525 » by **jmajew** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:18 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:If Toronto is looking to do Calderon an their pick just for Deng, why would the Bulls not do that deal? Or if you want to take on two year salary, Salmons and the five for Deng? The GS deal is a bad deal considering your other options.

This is the perfect trade for Deng. You get a PG who will fill in admirably for Rose while he is out, and when Rose gets healthy Calderon would be a good fit to play next to Rose. Also by trading Deng for Calderon the Raptors make themselves a much more enticing place for Nash. The Raptors would still have cap space to sign him.

I'd even be willing to offer up Taj if it meant we could get Ed Davis out of the deal too. Honestly, though this would be a win win for both teams if Raptors can land Nash. This is the type of trade the Bulls should be looking at. We trade the two best players in the deal but receive 2 solid replacement and a lottery pick.

Post #526 » by **coldfish** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:23 pm

Awful trade for Chicago. Just mind numbingly bad. Harris and others expire after this year. In the long term, you are basically trading Deng and two draft picks for the #7 pick. The capspace won't even have much value because the team won't be able to offer a max contract.

I can't believe it at this point. No way the Bulls are this dumb or desperate to avoid tax.

Red Larrivee · Post #527 » by **Red Larrivee** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:28 pm

coldfish wrote:Awful trade for Chicago. Just mind numbingly bad. Harris and others expire after this year. In the long term, you are basically trading Deng and two draft picks for the #7 pick. The capspace won't even have much value because the team won't be able to offer a max contract.

I can't believe it at this point. No way the Bulls are this dumb or desperate to avoid tax.

Which is why it probably has no chance of happening in that trade proposal. At least the Sacramento deal was close to even on the trade pieces involved.

P.C. · Post #528 » by **P.C.** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:29 pm

coldfish wrote:Awful trade for Chicago. Just mind numbingly bad. Harris and others expire after this year. In the long term, you are basically trading Deng and two draft picks for the #7 pick. The capspace won't even have much value because the team won't be able to offer a max contract.

I can't believe it at this point. No way the Bulls are this dumb or desperate to avoid tax.

The thing that gets me is that Portland traded Gerald Wallace on an expiring contract for the 6th pick like three months ago. How times change.

PistolP · Post #529 » by **PistolP** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:31 pm

If the Bulls are going to trade Deng, then I hope they do it right. Go all in or just keep him. If they do trade him, package him up with Taj and/or the CHA pick and get something really good back in return...some real talent that we'll feel good about going up against Miami with. My my calcs, Deng + Two 1sts for a #7 pick + expirings is a pretty lousy effort.

Post #530 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:37 pm

Why do people always associate getting players to beat Miami.

Havent we learned that this NEVER works?

The Knicks spent years tailor making their team to beat us and they never did.

The year they finally get past us to the Finals, they still got beat by the Rockets.

The Pacers made the same mistake.

We have to have a team that can beat anyone.

A Miami team.
A OKC team.
A Laker team - ie a team with alot of size
etc

I just having Miami as the team we are trying to overcome is really the wrong path to take.

thedarkstark · Post #531 » by **thedarkstark** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:40 pm

PistolP wrote:If the Bulls are going to trade Deng, then I hope they do it right. Go all in or just keep him. If they do trade him, package him up with Taj and/or the CHA pick and get something really good back in return...some real talent that we'll feel good about going up against Miami with. My my calcs, Deng + Two 1sts for a #7 pick + expirings is a pretty lousy effort.

If the Bulls feel they're getting the 2nd best player in the draft with the #7 pick, what does it matter what number he was selected at?

The best players in a given draft are rarely drafted in order, and if there's one thing Paxson has proven in his tenure here is that he has a very good eye for talent.

The #7 pick may not seem all that impressive, but it's all in how you use it.

samwana · Post #532 » by **samwana** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:40 pm

Well maybe we have to wait one year to trade Deng and for the hell with it, try to get a few late picks now and get Mirotic over this year, since that Raps fan showed his contract in the Real Madrid-thread, it can't be that difficult to get him overhere now.
Maybe they are just trying to get something done with Deng and I want another draft pick out of that Utah/GS trade, b/c it is not very balanced. (What a waist for GS to use their amnesty on Charlie Bell, smh) IMO we are on the losing end of that trade big time. I would do it if GS was the one to add a draft pick for Utah and we get their 2nd rounders this year. That way it would be much more balanced.
If there is no trade for Deng, maybe they go and try to get whatever for Boozer and get Mirotic over. It can't be that difficult to get a few endorsements for him and cover the losses he has. JR has more than enough connections to do that.

xpmar9x · Post #533 » by **xpmar9x** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:42 pm

GSW trade is a smokescreen to get SAC involved

JDRochholz · Post #534 » by **JDRochholz** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:42 pm

coldfish wrote:Awful trade for Chicago. Just mind numbingly bad. Harris and others expire after this year. In the long term, you are basically trading Deng and two draft picks for the #7 pick. The capspace won't even have much value because the team won't be able to offer a max contract.

I can't believe it at this point. No way the Bulls are this dumb or desperate to avoid tax.

Exactly. This trade would kill us in the long-term. Gar is smarter than this. I'm not believing this rumor. Thursday cannot come soon enough.

Post #535 » by **RedBulls23** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:43 pm

P.C. wrote:
coldfish wrote:Awful trade for Chicago. Just mind numbingly bad. Harris and others expire after this year. In the long term, you are basically trading Deng and two draft picks for the #7 pick. The capspace won't even have much value because the team won't be able to offer a max contract.

I can't believe it at this point. No way the Bulls are this dumb or desperate to avoid tax.

The thing that gets me is that Portland traded Gerald Wallace on an expiring contract for the 6th pick like three months ago. How times change.

It has nothing to do with times changing. It has more to do with the fact that the Nets FO is stupid.

PistolP · Post #536 » by **PistolP** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:45 pm

thedarkstark wrote:If the Bulls feel they're getting the 2nd best player in the draft with the #7 pick, what does it matter what number he was selected at?

If that winds up being the case than sure. I just think that Beal, Barnes, Robinson and likely MKG will all be better players than whoever goes at #7

Post #537 » by **Tommy Udo 6** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:45 pm

BeKuK wrote:
DanTown8587 wrote:If Toronto is looking to do Calderon an their pick just for Deng, why would the Bulls not do that deal? Or if you want to take on two year salary, Salmons and the five for Deng? The GS deal is a bad deal considering your other options.

Help me out: are there some rumors that Toronto is interested for a Trade like that or did Toronto even mentioned something like that?

The Toronto option would be much better, I like it.

There are numerous reports that Toronto is interested in Deng. There are reports that Toronto is interested in trading the 8th pick for a veteran.

However, I have seen no specific report of any offer to the Bulls

ChicaGOrilla06 · Post #538 » by **ChicaGOrilla06** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:47 pm

The CHI-GS-UTA trade is a really good trade aside for the two 1st rounders. But I'd rather give up two late 1st rounders than give up Taj. Devin and Dorrell are solid role players that can easily be resigned to role player money next offseason which is what they deserve. If they want to spend the next few seasons in purgatory they can chase the money with lottery-bound or low playoff seed teams instead. I definitely see them as better fits than the three unguaranteed contracts we have now.

With #7 we have the opportunity to draft a young high ceiling talent that can develop into a legit #2 next to Rose. At only 19 yrs old, Jeremy Lamb can truly become a star. We've got the right culture, an excellent coach/teacher and the perfect superstar mentor. You really can't ask for a better scenario to bring in a talented and still raw rookie. If Bulls fans are serious about improving the team, a move like this is a necessity. Two (late) 1st rounders may sound like a lot but if we're serious about resigning Asik, Taj, Dorrell and Devin then we really don't NEED those draft picks anyway. Jimmy, Jeremy and eventually Mirotic are enough young talent for now.

imagge · Post #539 » by **imagge** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:48 pm

PistolP wrote:
thedarkstark wrote:If the Bulls feel they're getting the 2nd best player in the draft with the #7 pick, what does it matter what number he was selected at?

If that winds up being the case than sure. I just think that Beal, Barnes, Robinson and likely MKG will all be better players than whoever goes at #7

Wasn't Deng drafted #7? Isn't he a better ball player than the player drafted #2 OKafor? I would almost argue he is a better basketball player than 5 of the 6 players drafted ahead of him. The best basketball players are not always drafted in order. If the scouting department feel there is a potential star @ #7 then #7 it is.

MGB8 · Post #540 » by **MGB8** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:51 pm

I don't get why this proposed Golden State/Utah trade is such a horrible deal, assuming the 2013 pick has decent protection on it in case everything falls apart.

Think about it:

(1) Devin Harris fills in for Rose for a year. A huge downgrade, but at least Devin Harris is a legit, if mediocre, starting PG in the league.

(2) Dorrell Wright is a fine rotation SF.

(3) Combined, both make less money than Deng.

(4) Both of them expire at the same time as Deng.

(5) One or both could potentially be traded as a pure salary dump after (or during) next season.

It's not an idea move because neither salary expires after this upcoming season (both guys have 2 years left on their deals). And it's certainly not a great trade, because we should be able to get both cap relief and a mid-lotto pick for Deng.

But if the Bulls are looking for a way to not suck next season....