Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

[keshmoney]

And Deng and Noah are still in their 20's, allstars and led their team to the playoffs last year. They have change the status quo. They have new ownership. Thats a good return for Cousins. We aren't robbing them. The kings will be greatly improved with this deal.

Both are 28 and turning 29 before seasons end. The new ownership loves and believes in DeMarcus so good luck getting them to agree to a deal where they get solid players for a potential star.

I think they'd take 2 good character allstars for a potential star. It will make them better. It will make us worse in the near future. Just because people they believe in Cousins doesn't mean they can't belive in Deng and Noah more.

Agree to disagree man. They would never trade Cousins for Deng and Noah and I wouldn't either if I were them.

Also, if you've watched any of the Kings games this season, you'd know that Cousins' attitude has taken a 180 and is playing great basketball. He keeps his emotions in check and has become a leader of that team.

And they're not looking to get better right now. They want to build around Cousins and get better in the next few years. A great example of this is shown in their trade of Moute for Derrick Williams.

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I'd trade Deng, Noah, Butler, and the Charlotte pick for Cousins and filler if it could work. I doubt it could, but I'd do it in a second. Cousins is one of a handful of players that I'd sell the farm for.

Woah you would trade 2 all stars for one potential all star. We both know if the Kings asked for a trade like that the Bulls would cuss them out like no tomorrow.

I don't know of any such thing. Allegedly, the Bulls are prepared to lose Deng this summer for nothing, or were at least. And frankly while Jo and Deng are all-stars and I love them, they aren't on the level of most other all star players. Cousins is a beast of a producer and physical specimen. He's enormous and talented and young as hell. And it would be effectively trading Noah and Jimmy for him.

BTW, just as sort of an eye opener - and this is coming from a very non stats focused poster - Joakim Noah is averaging 9 points and 9 rebounds a game on the same efficiency that Cousins is averaging 21 and 11 on. And Cousins is much bigger, much stronger, much younger, and less injury prone. Cousins also averages significantly more blocks and steals.

I consider Jimmy Butler a relatively unimportant asset who is likely to be overpaid pretty soon if he stays around.

[TheStig]

Both are 28 and turning 29 before seasons end. The new ownership loves and believes in DeMarcus so good luck getting them to agree to a deal where they get solid players for a potential star.

I think they'd take 2 good character allstars for a potential star. It will make them better. It will make us worse in the near future. Just because people they believe in Cousins doesn't mean they can't belive in Deng and Noah more.

Agree to disagree man. They would never trade Cousins for Deng and Noah and I wouldn't either if I were them.

Also, if you've watched any of the Kings games this season, you'd know that Cousins' attitude has taken a 180 and is playing great basketball. He keeps his emotions in check and has become a leader of that team.

And they're not looking to get better right now. They want to build around Cousins and get better in the next few years. A great example of this is shown in their trade of Moute for Derrick Williams.

You could very well be correct but Noah and Deng will get them in the playoffs. At some point you have to stop sucking. I doubt they want to become a laughing stock. Well even more of a laughing stock.

[pb-ceo]

Is a 2014 1st an absolute must for any trade? If not, I could see Indiana being open to a Deng-for-Granger swap. They get the high quality wing they hoped to be getting in Granger this season, get a better defender to take some of the burden off of George's shoulders, and they likely wouldn't have a problem with a rental since they're all in going for the title and Granger is essentially a rental as well. Bulls do it to facilitate the tank and not lose Deng for nothing. They already traded their 2014 1st though. How about Indiana's 2014 2nd + 2016 1st?

It would suck to only be able to get that much for Luol, but hey, life sucks right now in Bulls world. At least we'd be able to help the prevention of the Heat 3-peat. As a last resort, I'd consider it...

deng wouldn't start on IND so it would really be a waste for them. Granger is going to come off the bench. Deng is a workhorse who could give a team 40 good minutes a game.

[Proven_Winner]

Both are 28 and turning 29 before seasons end. The new ownership loves and believes in DeMarcus so good luck getting them to agree to a deal where they get solid players for a potential star.

I think they'd take 2 good character allstars for a potential star. It will make them better. It will make us worse in the near future. Just because people they believe in Cousins doesn't mean they can't belive in Deng and Noah more.

Agree to disagree man. They would never trade Cousins for Deng and Noah and I wouldn't either if I were them.

Also, if you've watched any of the Kings games this season, you'd know that Cousins' attitude has taken a 180 and is playing great basketball. He keeps his emotions in check and has become a leader of that team.

And they're not looking to get better right now. They want to build around Cousins and get better in the next few years. A great example of this is shown in their trade of Moute for Derrick Williams.

That's a bad example seeing as Moute is probably the better player. On top of that Williams plays PF which is a position the Kings have filled to the brim.

[keshmoney]

I think they'd take 2 good character allstars for a potential star. It will make them better. It will make us worse in the near future. Just because people they believe in Cousins doesn't mean they can't belive in Deng and Noah more.

Agree to disagree man. They would never trade Cousins for Deng and Noah and I wouldn't either if I were them.

Also, if you've watched any of the Kings games this season, you'd know that Cousins' attitude has taken a 180 and is playing great basketball. He keeps his emotions in check and has become a leader of that team.

And they're not looking to get better right now. They want to build around Cousins and get better in the next few years. A great example of this is shown in their trade of Moute for Derrick Williams.

That's a bad example seeing as Moute is probably the better player. On top of that Williams plays PF which is a position the Kings have filled to the brim.

Exactly!!! They are willing to sacrifice the now by trading Moute to take a risk on Willaims. That's exactly my point.

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Imagine if we could follow up the Noah, Deng, Butler and Charlotte pick for Cousins and filler like Salmons with a Boozer for Ben Gordon deal.

Next year we could be:

Rose
BG
Dunleavy
Mirotic
Cousins

plus Taj and picks off the bench

[pb-ceo]

you don't give up promising young talent that is blowing up for two 29 year old veterans, one of whom would not remain at SAC after this year. Buckets is part of the new plan imo and isn't going to be shopped. I see deng, noah, boozer, and taj all potential trades.

[Hokie]

Imagine if we could follow up the Noah, Deng, Butler and Charlotte pick for Cousins and filler like Salmons with a Boozer for Ben Gordon deal.

Next year we could be:

Rose
BG
Dunleavy
Mirotic
Cousins

plus Taj and picks off the bench

That is one extremely poor defensive team.

[pb-ceo]

Imagine if we could follow up the Noah, Deng, Butler and Charlotte pick for Cousins and filler like Salmons with a Boozer for Ben Gordon deal.

Next year we could be:

Rose
BG
Dunleavy
Mirotic
Cousins

plus Taj and picks off the bench

that team is an accident waiting to happen on several levels. one being injury. and two Cousins is a potential volcano of trouble. he's potentially still unstable. dunleavy and gordon can't defend. Mirotec is an unknown quantity. and rose could go down at any time.

[Proven_Winner]

I'd trade Deng, Noah, Butler, and the Charlotte pick for Cousins and filler if it could work. I doubt it could, but I'd do it in a second. Cousins is one of a handful of players that I'd sell the farm for.

Woah you would trade 2 all stars for one potential all star. We both know if the Kings asked for a trade like that the Bulls would cuss them out like no tomorrow.

I don't know of any such thing. Allegedly, the Bulls are prepared to lose Deng this summer for nothing, or were at least. And frankly while Jo and Deng are all-stars and I love them, they aren't on the level of most other all star players. Cousins is a beast of a producer and physical specimen. He's enormous and talented and young as hell. And it would be effectively trading Noah and Jimmy for him.

BTW, just as sort of an eye opener - and this is coming from a very non stats focused poster - Joakim Noah is averaging 9 points and 9 rebounds a game on the same efficiency that Cousins is averaging 21 and 11 on. And Cousins is much bigger, much stronger, much younger, and less injury prone. Cousins also averages significantly more blocks and steals.

I consider Jimmy Butler a relatively unimportant asset who is likely to be overpaid pretty soon if he stays around.

Your still trading 2 all stars for a potential one no matter how much off an all star you consider Jo and Lu. Trust me i understand Cousins is great but i don't think he's a guy that commands giving away all stars for. Just my opinion though.

I disagree Jimmy is an important asset going forward as a starter. I also doubt he gets overpaid since all we see in him is good defense.

[League Circles]

that team is an accident waiting to happen on several levels. one being injury. and two Cousins is a potential volcano of trouble. he's potentially still unstable.

We could keep Kirk plus we'd have a pretty good pick to add an athletic bench player. As for Cousins, meh, half of great players in history are potential volcanos of trouble. Really, other than guys like David Robinson, Dream, and Tim Duncan, star players are often hard to handle. They have enormous egos cause they know they are the ****. Michael Jordan punched a teammate in practice.

[Proven_Winner]

Agree to disagree man. They would never trade Cousins for Deng and Noah and I wouldn't either if I were them.

Also, if you've watched any of the Kings games this season, you'd know that Cousins' attitude has taken a 180 and is playing great basketball. He keeps his emotions in check and has become a leader of that team.

And they're not looking to get better right now. They want to build around Cousins and get better in the next few years. A great example of this is shown in their trade of Moute for Derrick Williams.

That's a bad example seeing as Moute is probably the better player. On top of that Williams plays PF which is a position the Kings have filled to the brim.

Exactly!!! They are willing to sacrifice the now by trading Moute to take a risk on Willaims. That's exactly my point.

Ok i got you but I'm not sure if you want to take a risk with a guy playing a position you are filled with.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Sac is going to try Williams at the 3 primarily and at the 4 sometimes.

[Proven_Winner]

Sac is going to try Williams at the 3 primarily and at the 4 sometimes.

But I doubt the Wolves already established that he is better at the 4 than at the 3. During the time Kevin Love was hurt Williams played the 4 and played pretty good.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Sac is going to try Williams at the 3 primarily and at the 4 sometimes.

But I doubt the Wolves already established that he is better at the 4 than at the 3. During the time Kevin Love was hurt Williams played the 4 and played pretty good.

Malone said it not me. I think he would know best seeing as how he is the coach of the Kings.

[Proven_Winner]

Sac is going to try Williams at the 3 primarily and at the 4 sometimes.

But I doubt the Wolves already established that he is better at the 4 than at the 3. During the time Kevin Love was hurt Williams played the 4 and played pretty good.

Malone said it not me. I think he would know best seeing as how he is the coach of the Kings.

I guess but coaches have been wrong before. The old coach thought it was ok to play tyreke at sf.

[weneeda2guard]

I actually like the Thornton Thomas and salmons for deng deal

I mean if we not going to tank we might as well build a quick playoff team and I really think Thomas is a great player who could shine under thibs. He would be Nate with better decision making

Thorton would be a good 2 guard who can stretch the floor and salmons would add depth especially with jimmy being down.

I also really really like deng and Teague for afflalo and jameer Nelson that would make us a def top 4 team in the east

[GoBlue72391]

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[JohnnyKILLroy]

But I doubt the Wolves already established that he is better at the 4 than at the 3. During the time Kevin Love was hurt Williams played the 4 and played pretty good.

Malone said it not me. I think he would know best seeing as how he is the coach of the Kings.

I guess but coaches have been wrong before. The old coach thought it was ok to play tyreke at sf.

Yeah but Smart was the old coach. So it's completely the opposite.