OT Election Thread

[PlayerUp]

Just a history lesson here. Al Gore conceded finally on December 13, 2000. I assume once all of Trumps avenues are over with, he will do the same thing around this time. I personally have no problem with him trying to push to victory but we all know he's going to fall short. This election is a wrap.

[PlayerUp]

Mark my word Nikki Haley is favorite for 2024.

AOC is the most popular among all the democratic candidates.

If AOC were to run for President she would lose by a landslide. She is too far left for the vast majority of the country. She may win the nomination but independents would not vote for that platform.

Currently yes but 20 years from now when she pushes the younger generation to become progressives, America could change. Bernie nearly won so it's growing and it will certainly grow nationwide.

[LateNight]

Mark my word Nikki Haley is favorite for 2024.

AOC is the most popular among all the democratic candidates.

If AOC were to run for President she would lose by a landslide. She is too far left for the vast majority of the country. She may win the nomination but independents would not vote for that platform.

Pretty sure Bernie was more popular than AOC and he was not able to win the primary. That wing of the party has very vocal supporters across the country, but they aren't as big a demographic as people think they are.

It's possible that moderates also might be a smaller group too - but the issue with making those big swings is that you don't know where the holes open up. Maybe AOC brings in more rust belt voters, but she might lose you Michigan (or even Virginia - which is what Spanberger was saying on the caucus call yesterday).

[Hangtime84]

Mark my word Nikki Haley is favorite for 2024.

AOC is the most popular among all the democratic candidates.

If AOC were to run for President she would lose by a landslide. She is too far left for the vast majority of the country. She may win the nomination but independents would not vote for that platform.

Gen z would start having more voting power. Millennials were complaining about how old these two current candidates were as well

[PlayerUp]

AOC is the most popular among all the democratic candidates.

If AOC were to run for President she would lose by a landslide. She is too far left for the vast majority of the country. She may win the nomination but independents would not vote for that platform.

Pretty sure Bernie was more popular than AOC and he was not able to win the primary. That wing of the party has very vocal supporters across the country, but they aren't as big a demographic as people think they are.

It's possible that moderates also might be a smaller group too - but the issue with making those big swings is that you don't know where the holes open up. Maybe AOC brings in more rust belt voters, but she might lose you Michigan (or even Virginia - which is what Spanberger was saying on the caucus call yesterday).

AOC will be the most popular in DC potentially in a decade from now. She will push her movement.

[MrSparkle]

If it wasn’t for GOP imploding over remarks and picking on her, AOC would’ve been 1/10th as popular. The Republicans and Fox fuel her much in the same way CNN and MSNBC fueled Trump.

It’s preposterous how helpful “bad press” has become. I can see her making a Presidential run in 10 years. You don’t hear Trump mention Tim Kaines’ name ever. He’s helped make AOC a superstar by tagging her constantly.

[drosestruts]

I am a big AOC fan but I don't think 2024 will be her time. She's going to need a strong resume if/when she runs, even as a congresswoman people constantly refer to her as "a bartender" as if that's some sort of insult. I think she'll need a bigger role under her belt like Senator and/or a very public cabinet position. Granted Hillary had all of that and was maybe the most qualified candidate since Bush 1 and that didn't matter.

For 2024, I think it would be smart to put Pete in a high-profile cabinet position (secretary of defense as he's a veteran), and let him be the nominee in 2024.

I think the jump from Biden to AOC would be too big, Pete however offers a more moderate platform and is young and smart. I voted for Warren in the primary, but Pete has really grown on me during the election cycle during his speaking appearances.

Also, due to the closeness of the Senate I don't think Biden should take Senators into cabinet positions. The left wouldn't be losing anything by Pete taking a cabinet position, and leaving South Bend.

[PlayerUp]

You don’t hear Trump mention Tim Kaines’ name ever. He’s helped make AOC a superstar by tagging her constantly.

Tim Kaine is boring. AOC has energy.

[PlayerUp]

I am a big AOC fan but I don't think 2024 will be her time. She's going to need a strong resume if/when she runs, even as a congresswoman people constantly refer to her as "a bartender" as if that's some sort of insult. I think she'll need a bigger role under her belt like Senator and/or a very public cabinet position. Granted Hillary had all of that and was maybe the most qualified candidate since Bush 1 and that didn't matter.

For 2024, I think it would be smart to put Pete in a high-profile cabinet position (secretary of defense as he's a veteran), and let him be the nominee in 2024.

I think the jump from Biden to AOC would be too big, Pete however offers a more moderate platform and is young and smart. I voted for Warren in the primary, but Pete has really grown on me during the election cycle during his speaking appearances.

Also, due to the closeness of the Senate I don't think Biden should take Senators into cabinet positions. The left wouldn't be losing anything by Pete taking a cabinet position, and leaving South Bend.

She'll make a run in 2028-2040 sometime around then.

[econprof]

I am a big AOC fan but I don't think 2024 will be her time. She's going to need a strong resume if/when she runs, even as a congresswoman people constantly refer to her as "a bartender" as if that's some sort of insult. I think she'll need a bigger role under her belt like Senator and/or a very public cabinet position. Granted Hillary had all of that and was maybe the most qualified candidate since Bush 1 and that didn't matter.

For 2024, I think it would be smart to put Pete in a high-profile cabinet position (secretary of defense as he's a veteran), and let him be the nominee in 2024.

I think the jump from Biden to AOC would be too big, Pete however offers a more moderate platform and is young and smart. I voted for Warren in the primary, but Pete has really grown on me during the election cycle during his speaking appearances.

Also, due to the closeness of the Senate I don't think Biden should take Senators into cabinet positions. The left wouldn't be losing anything by Pete taking a cabinet position, and leaving South Bend.

She'll make a run in 2028-2040 sometime around then.

If Illinois voted down a tax on the wealthy by a ten point margin, what makes you think the nation -- even just the Democrats -- will embrace AOC's even more massive tax and spend regime? And don't hold your breath waiting. While us "old" folks who oppose the far left may be dead or at the doorstep in 10-20 years, don't think that will make a difference to popular opinion. Oft attributed to Churchill, but probably apocryphal, is this timely quip: “If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.” I just have to look at my own transformation, and then, 30 years later, at my son, a one-time anarcho-syndicalist and present-day family man and anti-tax zealot, to see the truth in that statement.

[MrSparkle]

You don’t hear Trump mention Tim Kaines’ name ever. He’s helped make AOC a superstar by tagging her constantly.

Tim Kaine is boring. AOC has energy.

Right.

But my point is we’ve gotten to the point where “energy” wins most people over, regardless if it’s misguided or spent on a stupid motive. I guess Palin was the start of it all.

No thanks to all that. Give me the boring Tim who will keep things stable and in order, with gradual progress. I don’t need an ideological revolution in politics every 2 years. I’d rather it happen in people’s towns so it improves the way people think and relate. The way we vote in, it’s too much of a popularity contest for the right people to win and make the healthy changes.

In many ways, I don’t care for Joe, but I’ll gladly take a WH that is not a hot-bed of scandals and breaking news stories every hour.

If you want to radically change something, write letters to your local politicians. It’s the oldest story in the book yet everyone still forgets this, and would rather go protest or rally (in a pandemic). Criticizing both sides here. “The mob.”

I’m a liberal, but give me moderate government any day over a liberal extreme. Didn’t we learn about balance from Yoda when we were little kids?

Trump and AOC are terrible types for presidency. Anything that totally alienates 30% or more is a recipe for implosion.

[TheStig]

I like Yang. I hope he picks up steam over the next 4 years. Tulsi Gabbard is interesting too but the DNC hates her.

Pete is all talk and trying to be an Obama light. He also has no real record. Warren is not personable and seems like a sell out.

[TheStig]

The problem with Bernie and AOC is that they lean into socialism too much. The branding is horrible for most americans. The ideas are interesting but the marketing and scope is bad. The green new deal is huge! Has no chance. And then they want student loans forgiven, free colleges, medicare for all, taxes up to like 80%. Even as someone who leans progressive it's crazy. They need to focus on medicare for all and be willing to settle for a real public option for all with subsidies, free community college for all, additional green incentives. Medicare at a lower age. Their position is just impossible.

[PlayerUp]

I am a big AOC fan but I don't think 2024 will be her time. She's going to need a strong resume if/when she runs, even as a congresswoman people constantly refer to her as "a bartender" as if that's some sort of insult. I think she'll need a bigger role under her belt like Senator and/or a very public cabinet position. Granted Hillary had all of that and was maybe the most qualified candidate since Bush 1 and that didn't matter.

For 2024, I think it would be smart to put Pete in a high-profile cabinet position (secretary of defense as he's a veteran), and let him be the nominee in 2024.

I think the jump from Biden to AOC would be too big, Pete however offers a more moderate platform and is young and smart. I voted for Warren in the primary, but Pete has really grown on me during the election cycle during his speaking appearances.

Also, due to the closeness of the Senate I don't think Biden should take Senators into cabinet positions. The left wouldn't be losing anything by Pete taking a cabinet position, and leaving South Bend.

She'll make a run in 2028-2040 sometime around then.

If Illinois voted down a tax on the wealthy by a ten point margin, what makes you think the nation -- even just the Democrats -- will embrace AOC's even more massive tax and spend regime? And don't hold your breath waiting. While us "old" folks who oppose the far left may be dead or at the doorstep in 10-20 years, don't think that will make a difference to popular opinion. Oft attributed to Churchill, but probably apocryphal, is this timely quip: “If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.” I just have to look at my own transformation, and then, 30 years later, at my son, a one-time anarcho-syndicalist and present-day family man and anti-tax zealot, to see the truth in that statement.

I said she'll run, I didn't say she'll win.

[PlayerUp]

Trump and AOC are terrible types for presidency. Anything that totally alienates 30% or more is a recipe for implosion.

Connecting with your base is how Trump got elected though. Swap Trump for any other republican nominee in 2016 and Hillary would have won. AOC is popular and will make a strong push for president someday and I think she'll do far better than Bernie did. Will she win? Likely not but America is changing and AOC may change as well and move more to the center.

[PlayerUp]

I like Yang. I hope he picks up steam over the next 4 years. Tulsi Gabbard is interesting too but the DNC hates her.

Pete is all talk and trying to be an Obama light. He also has no real record. Warren is not personable and seems like a sell out.

Well it could be 2028 before any of these names come up again if Biden runs 2 terms. By then, a brand new set of names could start appearing more attractive than the rather weak batch of 2020 democratic candidates they had. Same with republicans. I think both sides will have far more diverse candidates in 2024 and 2028.

[Dresden]

Woke up this morning (just a few minutes ago on the west coast), to Biden ahead in GA, barely, but also in PA, and that lead should grow. NYT has a good summary of what to expect in AZ, GA, PA, and NV. They think GA lead will hold, as the absentee ballots also include GA vote from overseas that is not just military, and those others should break heavily Biden. Anyone living abroad will get a much truer image of how reviled and ridiculed Trump is globally.

They also believe PA will eventually be pretty comfortable for Biden, and that the lead in AZ most likely will also hold for Biden- although that one will be very close in the end and could still go either way.

So all in all, with PA solidly in the Biden basket, there's not much doubt about the winner at this point. I won't feel comfortable until all the votes are tallied though...

[Dresden]

As for next presidential candidates, keep an eye on Mark Warner of VA. I don't know that he's planning on running, but I think he'd be an excellent candidate.

[PlayerUp]

Woke up this morning (just a few minutes ago on the west coast), to Biden ahead in GA, barely, but also in PA, and that lead should grow. NYT has a good summary of what to expect in AZ, GA, PA, and NV. They think GA lead will hold, as the absentee ballots also include GA vote from overseas that is not just military, and those others should break heavily Biden. Anyone living abroad will get a much truer image of how reviled and ridiculed Trump is globally.

They also believe PA will eventually be pretty comfortable for Biden, and that the lead in AZ most likely will also hold for Biden- although that one will be very close in the end and could still go either way.

So all in all, with PA solidly in the Biden basket, there's not much doubt about the winner at this point. I won't feel comfortable until all the votes are tallied though...

It's over.

[Michael Jackson]

I like Yang. I hope he picks up steam over the next 4 years. Tulsi Gabbard is interesting too but the DNC hates her.

Pete is all talk and trying to be an Obama light. He also has no real record. Warren is not personable and seems like a sell out.

I like Yang too but I think his UBI plan is too hard for people to conceptualize. Not saying in 4 years he can't tweak it up which I am sure he will.