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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#521 » by bad knees » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:41 pm

MisterRoy wrote:
gobullschi wrote:Get Jerami Grant and Lonzo Ball on the Bulls.

Lonzo Ball
Zach LaVine
Patrick Williams
Jerami Grant
Wendell Carter Jr.

That team is extremely versatile on defense and has enough offense to grow into a contender.

Grant is 26. I doubt Detroit lets him go.


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I've been seeing a lot of posts talking about trading for Jerami Grant. Just crazy. Why in the world would Detroit ever trade him? Signing him as an FA is the best thing that the new GM has done (and he has done a lot). I guess it's okay to dream, but it's not happening.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#522 » by FriedRise » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:56 pm

bad knees wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:
gobullschi wrote:Get Jerami Grant and Lonzo Ball on the Bulls.

Lonzo Ball
Zach LaVine
Patrick Williams
Jerami Grant
Wendell Carter Jr.

That team is extremely versatile on defense and has enough offense to grow into a contender.

Grant is 26. I doubt Detroit lets him go.


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I've been seeing a lot of posts talking about trading for Jerami Grant. Just crazy. Why in the world would Detroit ever trade him? Signing him as an FA is the best thing that the new GM has done (and he has done a lot). I guess it's okay to dream, but it's not happening.


Everyone has a price, especially for a bottom dwelling team in the beginning of their rebuild like Detroit. What if we throw, let’s say a boatload of assets like lightly protected picks and pick swaps for the next few years + Hutch + Felicio + Valentine (salary fillers).

Could be an overpay but may be worth the risk if you truly think he’s an all star type in the making who can fit with Zach. They’re certainly in the same age range and you’ll have him locked up at 20M per for the next 3 years.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#523 » by gobullschi » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:14 pm

FriedRise wrote:
bad knees wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:Grant is 26. I doubt Detroit lets him go.


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I've been seeing a lot of posts talking about trading for Jerami Grant. Just crazy. Why in the world would Detroit ever trade him? Signing him as an FA is the best thing that the new GM has done (and he has done a lot). I guess it's okay to dream, but it's not happening.


Everyone has a price, especially for a bottom dwelling team in the beginning of their rebuild like Detroit. What if we throw, let’s say a boatload of assets like lightly protected picks and pick swaps for the next few years + Hutch + Felicio + Valentine (salary fillers).

Could be an overpay but may be worth the risk if you truly think he’s an all star type in the making who can fit with Zach. They’re certainly in the same age range and you’ll have him locked up at 20M per for the next 3 years.


I’d give up a lot. Coby + Lauri + 2 lightly protected 1sts.
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Post#524 » by bad knees » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:27 pm

gobullschi wrote:
FriedRise wrote:
bad knees wrote:
I've been seeing a lot of posts talking about trading for Jerami Grant. Just crazy. Why in the world would Detroit ever trade him? Signing him as an FA is the best thing that the new GM has done (and he has done a lot). I guess it's okay to dream, but it's not happening.


Everyone has a price, especially for a bottom dwelling team in the beginning of their rebuild like Detroit. What if we throw, let’s say a boatload of assets like lightly protected picks and pick swaps for the next few years + Hutch + Felicio + Valentine (salary fillers).

Could be an overpay but may be worth the risk if you truly think he’s an all star type in the making who can fit with Zach. They’re certainly in the same age range and you’ll have him locked up at 20M per for the next 3 years.


I’d give up a lot. Coby + Lauri + 2 lightly protected 1sts.


Detroit will decline. They are still trying to figure out his value as well. They won't put themselves in the position of having traded away a potential superstar. There is no reason for them to gamble by trading him away before they get a better sense of what they have, especially when the initial evidence is so promising.
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Post#525 » by Threekola » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:38 pm

bad knees wrote:
gobullschi wrote:
FriedRise wrote:
Everyone has a price, especially for a bottom dwelling team in the beginning of their rebuild like Detroit. What if we throw, let’s say a boatload of assets like lightly protected picks and pick swaps for the next few years + Hutch + Felicio + Valentine (salary fillers).

Could be an overpay but may be worth the risk if you truly think he’s an all star type in the making who can fit with Zach. They’re certainly in the same age range and you’ll have him locked up at 20M per for the next 3 years.


I’d give up a lot. Coby + Lauri + 2 lightly protected 1sts.


Detroit will decline. They are still trying to figure out his value as well. They won't put themselves in the position of having traded away a potential superstar. There is no reason for them to gamble by trading him away before they get a better sense of what they have, especially when the initial evidence is so promising.


He's a journeyman in his eighth season that is suddenly averaging basically twice as many points as he ever has before on a putrid team. I'm not buying that it's sustainable long term, nor that he's even good enough now to help a team win anything. I can't fathom trading two firsts for him, let alone two firsts and two players who were picked first recently. Is he really significantly better than Lauri as he's played this season?
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Post#526 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:49 pm

Trades for veterans help if playoff is goal. Hutchinson and Kornet for Robin Lopez. Hutchinson and Valentine for Miles Plumlee. Satoransky and Hutchinson for Ricky Rubio. Porter and Hutchinson for Bledsoe and Redick.
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Post#527 » by gobullschi » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:56 pm

Threekola wrote:
bad knees wrote:
gobullschi wrote:
I’d give up a lot. Coby + Lauri + 2 lightly protected 1sts.


Detroit will decline. They are still trying to figure out his value as well. They won't put themselves in the position of having traded away a potential superstar. There is no reason for them to gamble by trading him away before they get a better sense of what they have, especially when the initial evidence is so promising.


He's a journeyman in his eighth season that is suddenly averaging basically twice as many points as he ever has before on a putrid team. I'm not buying that it's sustainable long term, nor that he's even good enough now to help a team win anything. I can't fathom trading two firsts for him, let alone two firsts and two players who were picked first recently. Is he really significantly better than Lauri as he's played this season?


An NBA player figuring it out in their mid 20's really isn't that unusual. We've watched it happen twice recently WITH the Bulls.
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Post#528 » by bad knees » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:01 pm

gobullschi wrote:
Threekola wrote:
bad knees wrote:
Detroit will decline. They are still trying to figure out his value as well. They won't put themselves in the position of having traded away a potential superstar. There is no reason for them to gamble by trading him away before they get a better sense of what they have, especially when the initial evidence is so promising.


He's a journeyman in his eighth season that is suddenly averaging basically twice as many points as he ever has before on a putrid team. I'm not buying that it's sustainable long term, nor that he's even good enough now to help a team win anything. I can't fathom trading two firsts for him, let alone two firsts and two players who were picked first recently. Is he really significantly better than Lauri as he's played this season?


An NBA player figuring it out in their mid 20's really isn't that unusual. We've watched it happen twice recently WITH the Bulls.


Nobody knows what he really is right now, which strongly militates against any trade happening. Detroit doesn't want to give away a superstar. The Bulls, or any other team looking to trade for him, don't want to give away a superstar-load of picks for a guy who may just be a flash in the pan for a bad team. Everyone's natural risk averseness means that everyone will wait until they see what happens with Grant over time. The Bulls would never make the sort of offers you are talking about, and even if they did, Detroit would say no.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#529 » by sco » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:05 pm

bad knees wrote:
gobullschi wrote:
Threekola wrote:
He's a journeyman in his eighth season that is suddenly averaging basically twice as many points as he ever has before on a putrid team. I'm not buying that it's sustainable long term, nor that he's even good enough now to help a team win anything. I can't fathom trading two firsts for him, let alone two firsts and two players who were picked first recently. Is he really significantly better than Lauri as he's played this season?


An NBA player figuring it out in their mid 20's really isn't that unusual. We've watched it happen twice recently WITH the Bulls.


Nobody knows what he really is right now, which strongly militates against any trade happening. Detroit doesn't want to give away a superstar. The Bulls, or any other team looking to trade for him, don't want to give away a superstar-load of picks for a guy who may just be a flash in the pan for a bad team. Everyone's natural risk averseness means that everyone will wait until they see what happens with Grant over time.

I think the situation isn't too dissimilar with Chicago and Zach. Folks here think a couple of 1sts plus young assets would get our FO attention. I think that in Detroit's case, we could take the additional step of taking back Griffin's contract in addition to picks and young assets like Coby/Lauri.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#530 » by Rose2Boozer » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:13 pm

Would you do it?

Bulls get Wiggins, Looney, and 2021 Minnesota 1st
Warriors get Markkanen and Porter
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Post#531 » by Dez » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:16 pm

Rose2Boozer wrote:Would you do it?

Bulls get Wiggins, Looney, and 2021 Minnesota 1st
Warriors get Markkanen and Porter


Absolutely, no way GWS do though.
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Post#532 » by Ball4life32 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:59 pm

chefo wrote:I really don't get why people are lusting over Collins so much. Dude is Thad-sized, and just like Thad, he's probably 6'8 and change with shoes AND hair included. In other words, they're 6'7.5 on a good day. He's mostly a very small rim-running big with short wingspan who can't play 3, or 5 because it becomes a layup line. He's had an elite playmaker spoon-feed him open 3s and layups/dunks his entire post-rookie career.

He has a very valuable skill--he moves well off ball so the ball finds its way to him--but he's nowhere near good enough to be a first banana, or even a second banana that has to score a ton on his own, sans being set up for easy dunks. If you hate the idea of Lauri at 20M per, you'll be burning Collins voodoo dolls 3 months into his stint here at the rookie max.

Measurements at the nba combine in shoes:

Collins - 6’9.5
Thad - 6’7.5

And it’s even a bigger discrepancy without shoes....

In 8 games Collins has played without Trae (in the last 2 years) he has 30+ points in 5 of them. He averages more without Trae than with him.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#533 » by chefo » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:21 am

Ball4life32 wrote:
chefo wrote:I really don't get why people are lusting over Collins so much. Dude is Thad-sized, and just like Thad, he's probably 6'8 and change with shoes AND hair incluuded. In other words, they're 6'7.5 on a good day. He's mostly a very small rim-running big with short wingspan who can't play 3, or 5 because it becomes a layup line. He's had an elite playmaker spoon-feed him open 3s and layups/dunks his entire post-rookie career.

He has a very valuable skill--he moves well off ball so the ball finds its way to him--but he's nowhere near good enough to be a first banana, or even a second banana that has to score a ton on his own, sans being set up for easy dunks. If you hate the idea of Lauri at 20M per, you'll be burning Collins voodoo dolls 3 months into his stint here at the rookie max.

Measurements at the nba combine in shoes:

Collins - 6’9.5
Thad - 6’7.5

And it’s even a bigger discrepancy without shoes....

In 8 games Collins has played without Trae (in the last 2 years) he has 30+ points in 5 of them. He averages more without Trae than with him.


Good points; though, I’ve seen Collins from fairly up close and there is no way that guy is anywhere near 6’9.5, unless he was wearing platform shoes when they measured him; again, maybe with that hairdo of his. Anytime he’s next to a truly tall player like Vucevic or Isaac (I’ve watched the Hawks a couple of times in Orlando), he looks puny by comparison.

On another note, I have zero confidence in official NBA measurements— these are pure fiction. I’ve met enough players to know for most guys you should chop off 2-3 inches off their official heights to get a real barefoot height; I think nba heights are a bit wwe-like, and have nothing to do with reality.
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Post#534 » by Dan Z » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:46 am

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I’d buy low on Culver.

Gafford and Valentine for him. That should help out Minnesota too.

I would check for Culver and Bamba. Both are buy low with good upside.


I don't understand what Orlando is doing. It looks like they're trying to compete, but with the injuries they've had they should just call it a season and trade Vucevic.
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Post#535 » by BullChit » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:54 am

How do we all think Wendell would go playing the 4 if we were to try and trade for KAT.

I don't have any idea what it would take to get KAT but having Wendell be a 4 in the vain of how Thad is playing with KAT stretching the floor on offense is an idea I've been toying with in my head since that all in for KAT thread started.


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Post#536 » by Andi Obst » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:31 am

Dan Z wrote:I don't understand what Orlando is doing. It looks like they're trying to compete, but with the injuries they've had they should just call it a season and trade Vucevic.


I mean, they have as many wins as the Bulls and are known for hunting low playoff seeds for years now. They locked themselves into this current group even more by extending Fultz and Isaac early. A Vuc trade would be really surprising IMO. Maybe they finally move on from Gordon, but his current injury might end up being the reason he survives yet another trade deadline.
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Post#537 » by ThreeMileAllan » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:04 am

FriedRise wrote:Making the Finals in the bubble was nice and all, but this Heat team is struggling. Outside of Jimmy and Bam, they really don’t have anyone else who are remotely close to stepping up. Dragic is declining, and everyone else is either too young or just bad.

Wonder if there’s any kind of deal to be made to get Jimmy back in Chicago.
My god I would cry tears of joy if this happened. Doubt it will be this year tho. Heat dont own their pick so Riley probably tries to add more than subtract

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Post#538 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:02 am

Wendell Carter, Daniel Gafford and Chandler Hutchinson for Devonte Graham and Bismack Biyombo. Bulls then sign free agent center Dwayne Dedmon.
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Post#539 » by BullChit » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:03 am

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:Wendell Carter, Daniel Gafford and Chandler Hutchinson for Devonte Graham and Bismack Biyombo. Bulls then sign free agent center Dwayne Dedmon.
I actually agree with you here! if that trade could be pulled off that would be a great start.

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Post#540 » by sco » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:54 pm

I am sobering to the fact that DET isn't gonna trade Grant. I wonder how much value we could get from taking Griffin's contract. For example, if someone offered us a good asset like a mid-teen's level 1st rounder or a guy like THT, Ball or NAW for Thad, I think we'd be hard pressed not to take it. Griffin might be an adequate backup PF for a season, IF we could get something meaningful to take him. Something like Otto/Felicio for Griffin/Jackson plus DET's top 10 protected 2021 1st that becomes top 5 protected in 2022 and unprotected in 2023 might be pretty valuable. Griffin's contract isn't useless as it allows us to punt our cap space forward a season and might have value at next season's deadline.
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