WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31

[Jvaughn]

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But that's such a dumb rationale. Lonzo was a RFA and would've had to want to sign an offer sheet with other teams. And like it was mentioned, everyone involved in this trade had to agree to the terms, so obviously he went where he wanted. And New Orleans had to agree to the trade, so who was wronged?

[sco]

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So basically Thibs called on us

Let's say that $ for a resign were discussed at last seasons deadline and Ball was ok with them. Would it have been ok for the Bulls to talk to NO about what they'd want in a S&T before the start of FA (with both sides knowing that Ball was likely ok with what the Bulls were going to offer because if was discussed at the deadline)?

[Michael Jackson]

I can't believe that this crappy investigation is still not over yet. I am not even against a punishment (probably 1st round pick) since because the Bulls did not a very very smart job with the quick signing, but it still takes way too much time.

Everyone does this but you are correct, shame on them for letting it leak immediately. For a tight lipped organization that is a big snafu. Don't get caught with your hand in the cookie jar. If you are going to cheat don't be sloppy and they appear to have been sloppy. The rules were broken unfortunately, and its not like the Bulls are the only team to do that, but they got caught.

[fleet]

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Yeah that all sides had to agree upon. Like many other teams. In fact highly reported it was in the works at the trade deadline. Wow really scraping to get something to get a few clicks. Nothing new there buddy and not an uncommon practice. Give us something new foo.

Im guessing the point is, that evidence is being unearthed. If you have a mob background, you know that killing is not a problem. Bodies are.

[chitowndish]

I can’t believe they are still investigating this but I’ve kind of mentally just given up the FRP just seems like that’s going to be the penalty probably with a significant fine as well. I think the NBA will probably make a big example out of us but I agree most of this was probably worked on at the last trade deadline. Maybe the NBA wants to stop that but if all 3 sides in a sign and trade agree to something I don’t see how anything else would or should get done, Ball would just force his way to the team he wants which was the Bulls.

I guess they want to have the wining and dining tour but if Ball wanted to do that he clearly could have, nobody was forcing him to sign a deal the first day he just wasn’t interested in meeting with a lot of teams he wasn’t likely to sign at. They should be happy he didn’t waste their time so they could focus on targets they could realistically get not complain that they weren’t able to basically force someone to listen to a sales pitch they apparently weren’t interested in hearing.

[ATRAIN53]

Like 95% of players don't have some pre-arranged deal or idea where they want to go.
and like 99.99999999% of the NBA didn't have him attached to us in trades the last 4 years.

and we've traded most of our 1st round picks away anyways, and if things go right we're picking like #30 hopefully.

Its more interesting this got out since AK is supposedly a "lock". He could stealth into a city undetected and sign a guy. He's not recognizable. Does someone have an axe to grind with him and knew there was something here the commish could sink his teeth into?

Love the idea of it being Thibs if so.

cant wait to hear AK response to this when whatever is dolled out happens.

It will be short like 'We still got our guy. Draft class not so good anyway'

[BeKuK]

I can't believe that this crappy investigation is still not over yet. I am not even against a punishment (probably 1st round pick) since because the Bulls did not a very very smart job with the quick signing, but it still takes way too much time.

Everyone does this but you are correct, shame on them for letting it leak immediately. For a tight lipped organization that is a big snafu. Don't get caught with your hand in the cookie jar. If you are going to cheat don't be sloppy and they appear to have been sloppy. The rules were broken unfortunately, and its not like the Bulls are the only team to do that, but they got caught.

It's such a bad situation. Everybody knows that Teams are doing something like this, but the Bulls....man, it's like they asked to get punished.

Everytime I think about this it becomes even more bizarre. I mean how can you do this in exactly this way? A kind of:"Let's cheat so openly and perky, that the league will be so cunfused so we gonna go through this like nothing happend!"

Good Job

[Indomitable]

I can't believe that this crappy investigation is still not over yet. I am not even against a punishment (probably 1st round pick) since because the Bulls did not a very very smart job with the quick signing, but it still takes way too much time.

The agent put this out there.

[StunnerKO]

It was Gar , he’s on the pelicans and they missed out on Kyle and Zo

[dougthonus]

Let's say that $ for a resign were discussed at last seasons deadline and Ball was ok with them. Would it have been ok for the Bulls to talk to NO about what they'd want in a S&T before the start of FA (with both sides knowing that Ball was likely ok with what the Bulls were going to offer because if was discussed at the deadline)?

My understanding is the only thing that is not ok is the Bulls directly talking with Lonzo or his representation about Lonzo.

[dougthonus]

It's such a bad situation. Everybody knows that Teams are doing something like this, but the Bulls....man, it's like they asked to get punished.

Everytime I think about this it becomes even more bizarre. I mean how can you do this in exactly this way? A kind of:"Let's cheat so openly and perky, that the league will be so cunfused so we gonna go through this like nothing happend!"

Good Job

I don't think they really did cheat in any way that other teams aren't cheating. Just Rich Paul was willing to go on record 1 minute after FA started because he's a dumb ass.

The league decided S&Ts can't be agreed to quickly and should be investigated but that doesn't pass the logic test because the teams can discuss the trade portion of it prior to the deadline if the sign portion is agreed to and the original team can even discuss that with Lonzo in advance if they wanted to.

They really just need to strip all tampering rules for anyone that is an impending FA after the season ends.

[meekrab]

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Garbage reporting from Windhorst, per usual. "We missed out on having our cap space locked up for 45 minutes in a doomed offer sheet" is not something a real NBA GM would complain about.

[BeKuK]

It's such a bad situation. Everybody knows that Teams are doing something like this, but the Bulls....man, it's like they asked to get punished.

Everytime I think about this it becomes even more bizarre. I mean how can you do this in exactly this way? A kind of:"Let's cheat so openly and perky, that the league will be so cunfused so we gonna go through this like nothing happend!"

Good Job

I don't think they really did cheat in any way that other teams aren't cheating. Just Rich Paul was willing to go on record 1 minute after FA started because he's a dumb ass.

The league decided S&Ts can't be agreed to quickly and should be investigated but that doesn't pass the logic test because the teams can discuss the trade portion of it prior to the deadline if the sign portion is agreed to and the original team can even discuss that with Lonzo in advance if they wanted to.

They really just need to strip all tampering rules for anyone that is an impending FA after the season ends.

I got your point Doug, but pointing the finger at Rich Paul is too easy....even if he's a dumb ass and made a dumb ass move to publish the news about the S&T so quickly.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Bulls acted very unwise. The deal had been wrapped up for a long time - unofficially! And if you do something illegal or unofficial, then you have to make sure that it goes right on the stage so that it doesn't come out. No matter what.

When you cheat on your wife and you are seen by someone who knows your wife and the person tells her that........who's the dumb ass here? The cheater who got caught or the person who told the wife? Same like teams can discuss....a man can talk with a women....but that does not mean you should cheat on your wife.

However......if you know you are doing wrong or not allowed.....at least do it the right way. And the Bulls did not act too good here.

[dougthonus]

I got your point Doug, but pointing the finger at Rich Paul is too easy....even if he's a dumb ass and made a dumb ass move to publish the news about the S&T so quickly.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Bulls acted very unwise. The deal had been wrapped up for a long time - unofficially! And if you do something illegal or unofficial, then you have to make sure that it goes right on the stage so that it doesn't come out. No matter what.

Well what could you do to make sure it doesn't come out if Rich Paul just announces it like a dumb ass? What you are saying is effectively that it is Rich Paul's fault, because it would have been impossible for them to have the off-season they had without having these conversations earlier and they are conversations every FA is having and that the league wants to take place anyway, because the league wants this whole news cycle.

How many guys were announced the 1st day? You think all of those peole didn't talk previously? Every single one of them talked previously. Everyone knows that too. It's just Rich Paul tooting his horn 60 seconds in that caused it to be a problem.

When you cheat on your wife and you are seen by someone who knows your wife and the person tells her that........who's the dumb ass here? The cheater who got caught or the person who told the wife? Same like teams can discuss....a man can talk with a women....but that does not mean you should cheat on your wife.

If there are 30 wives and 30 husbands and they all cheat, then the idiocy is one of them getting pissed about it.

However......if you know you are doing wrong or not allowed.....at least do it the right way. And the Bulls did not act too good here.

Again, what was the right way? The right way was to get Rich Paul to not be a dumb ass, hence it's still Rich Paul being a dumb ass that caused this whole thing.

[micromonkey]

The real answer is for the NBA to change or clean up the rules or enforce them in a true legalistic fashion for every transaction.

They operate like an inconsistent mafia.

If Tony whacks Jimmy without permission--then Tony in turn needs to get whacked.

The NBA is more like--well did we really like Jimmy--or do we like Tony more?
What does Lebroni think about it?
Did any other made men hear about what Tony did?

Then its Fowgedabowdit, knee cap or whack Tony on a totally inconsistent basis.

Its more about a farce of keeping up appearances vs. some semblance of equal enforcement.

[nomorezorro]

i think it's weird to assume rich paul went rogue in announcing the news on the record one second after free agency started. people knew the basic terms of the contract a few days earlier, all parties involved could have gone "hey let's hold back on this for a little bit to give ourselves plausible deniability" and i don't see any reason why paul wouldn't have agreed to that. for all we know the bulls were eager to get this out there as the first Big Splash of free agency

[Darius Miles Davis]

You'd think this would contribute to the negative reputation of an agent, but Rich Paul is so powerful that it probably doesn't impact him in any way.

[Evil_Headband]

i think it's weird to assume rich paul went rogue in announcing the news on the record one second after free agency started. people knew the basic terms of the contract a few days earlier, all parties involved could have gone "hey let's hold back on this for a little bit to give ourselves plausible deniability" and i don't see any reason why paul wouldn't have agreed to that. for all we know the bulls were eager to get this out there as the first Big Splash of free agency

Occam’s razor

[dougthonus]

But that doesn't change the fact that the Bulls acted very unwise. The deal had been wrapped up for a long time - unofficially! And if you do something illegal or unofficial, then you have to make sure that it goes right on the stage so that it doesn't come out. No matter what.

The thing is, everyone is doing that, if the Bulls didn't do that they wouldn't have gotten the deal done at all. They wouldn't have Lonzo Ball on the roster. Every other team in the league was also negotiating at this time.

When you cheat on your wife and you are seen by someone who knows your wife and the person tells her that........who's the dumb ass here? The cheater who got caught or the person who told the wife? Same like teams can discuss....a man can talk with a women....but that does not mean you should cheat on your wife.

Again, in this case, your wife is also cheating on you with someone you know, and that guy tells you too.

Probably time to drop this analogy all together.

However......if you know you are doing wrong or not allowed.....at least do it the right way. And the Bulls did not act too good here.

Again, what was the right way and what was the wrong way?

The only wrong thing is no one muzzled Rich Paul, whom likely also learned his lesson not to be quoted 1 minute after the bell rings.

[MrFortune3]

It's such a bad situation. Everybody knows that Teams are doing something like this, but the Bulls....man, it's like they asked to get punished.

Everytime I think about this it becomes even more bizarre. I mean how can you do this in exactly this way? A kind of:"Let's cheat so openly and perky, that the league will be so cunfused so we gonna go through this like nothing happend!"

Good Job

I don't think they really did cheat in any way that other teams aren't cheating. Just Rich Paul was willing to go on record 1 minute after FA started because he's a dumb ass.

The league decided S&Ts can't be agreed to quickly and should be investigated but that doesn't pass the logic test because the teams can discuss the trade portion of it prior to the deadline if the sign portion is agreed to and the original team can even discuss that with Lonzo in advance if they wanted to.

They really just need to strip all tampering rules for anyone that is an impending FA after the season ends.

I got your point Doug, but pointing the finger at Rich Paul is too easy....even if he's a dumb ass and made a dumb ass move to publish the news about the S&T so quickly.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Bulls acted very unwise. The deal had been wrapped up for a long time - unofficially! And if you do something illegal or unofficial, then you have to make sure that it goes right on the stage so that it doesn't come out. No matter what.

When you cheat on your wife and you are seen by someone who knows your wife and the person tells her that........who's the dumb ass here? The cheater who got caught or the person who told the wife? Same like teams can discuss....a man can talk with a women....but that does not mean you should cheat on your wife.

However......if you know you are doing wrong or not allowed.....at least do it the right way. And the Bulls did not act too good here.

Well in this scenario, we are allowed to cheat but not to be so blatant that one of the mistresses friends outs us for it.